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jkarp
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She wasn’t, that was my point. I was just trying to complete your point by noting that Mary was indeed not a Jew (she might have been Hebrew, but certainly not a Jew) rather she was a Christian.
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I really liked this.Mary!
Mary gave birth to Jesus! :extrahappy:
Israel gave death to Jesus! :crying:
They spat upon Him and cursed Him and participated in His false accusation!
And you’re saying that Israel is the mother of those who are Christians?
Those that testify to Christ?
Jews STILL reject Christ.
But Mary doesn’t!
Mary STILL loves Jesus!
More than you!
More than me!
More than anybody can!
She’s His mother!
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jkarp
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Amen.
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justasking4
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Whose authority is Jesus referring to here?
The inquistions and the priest scandal for starters. Were these things the will of Jesus?
Much evil has been done in His name. That troubles me.
Your easily amazed then…
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justasking4
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:banghead: :doh2:
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Tom
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Justasking, welcome back, I was hoping you’d come back. We were going thru the Scriptures when you left, I’d enjoy continuing on the other thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3169468&postcount=116
I’d really like to hear your opinions.
I’d really like to hear your opinions.
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justasking4
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Here is what one the premier catholic scholar says about Revelations 12:I was really hoping that he would’ve responded to my “proofs” of Mary being The Woman in Revelation 12.
But he just came and went and didn’t respond to them.
Raymond Brown and J.A. Fitzmyer, editors of the Jerome Biblical Commentary (2:482):
a woman: Most of the ancient commentators identified her with the Church; in the Middle Ages it was widely held that she represented Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Modern exegetes have generally adopted the older interpretation, with certain modifications.
In recent years several Catholics have championed the Marian interpretation.** Numerous contextual details, however, are ill-suited to such an explanation**.
For example, we are scarcely to think that Mary endured the worst of the pains of childbirth (v. 2),
that she was pursued into the desert after the birth of her child (6, 13ff.),
or, finally, that she was persecuted through her other children (v. 17).
The emphasis on the persecution of the woman is really appropriate only if she represents the Church, which is presented throughout the book as oppressed by the forces of evil, yet protected by God. Furthermore, the image of a woman is common in ancient Oriental secular literature as well as in the Bible (e.g., Is 50:1; Jer 50:12) as a symbol for a people, a nation, or a city. It is fitting, then, to see in this woman the People of God, the true Israel of the OT and NT.
This kind of scholarship can’t be dismissed easily or quickly. Catholics need to deal with this.
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2ndGen
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Ok, but what’s “your” response to my post with the examples of each scripture relating to very specific events that happened to “only” Mary and “not” to Israel?
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2ndGen
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The “Spanish” (not Catholic Church) Inquisition killed about 15,000.
The Protestant which hunts? They killed over 100,000 women and girls (some say as much as 150000.)
Who’s worse?
The Priest Scandal…
240 incidents per year on average.
Protestant Church Sexual Abuse Scandal?
3,500 per year.
Who’s worse?
Wrong time to start throwing stones.
But don’t take my word for it…
www.Reformation.com
csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
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jkarp
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Really? I thought one of the tenets of protestantism is the rejection of teaching authority. Why do you have any teaching authority?guanophore;3222063:
Your easily amazed then…
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justasking4
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Where do we see Mary fleeing into the wilderness and being nourished for 1260 days in the gospel accounts?
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justasking4
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Where do you get the idea that protestants reject teaching authorities?
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justasking4
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Is it not true that only the Roman Catholic church is led by the HS and not protestant churches?
If this is true, i can understand protestants churches having problems but not a church that is guided by the HS.
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jkarp
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Who is yours?
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jkarp
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The Church doesn’t have problems, that is the point. You are citing examples of men gone astray, not the Church. The inquisition was perpetrated by the Spanish, not the Catholic Church. The scandal of priests abusing children was/is perpetrated by priests, not the Catholic Church.
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justasking4
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i listen to my pastor and compare what he teaches with Scriptures. If it lines up with them then i listen. If not, i don’t.
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justasking4
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Its my understanding the inquisitions went on for centuries and had the support of the popes. How can popes do this if they are the vicars of Christ on Earth?
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hi all was going to post but changed my mind back at yus
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Namesake
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I notice that there is a very unusual hand position on both of Mary’s hands and on the baby Jesus left hand. That of course is not accidental, and it is quite unusual. Any one have a clue about what that is all about?
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jkarp
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That is certainly not authority then, is it? Authority isn’t something you are able to choose to follow, if you feel like it. For example, take a police officer; a police officer has definite authority. If you are pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car, you get out of the car; there is no room left for whether or not you like what he has to say. Teaching authority is very much the same thing.
You are, in essence, claiming that the only teaching authority that you are willing to follow is scripture . . . fine, but why then are you trying to assert your authority over our interpretation? Shouldn’t you just leave us to study scripture on our own?
(I hope when you read this you don’t interpret me as attempting to be sarcastic or snide because that is definitely not my intent
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