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justasking4
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If its not “offical” then can it be said to truly Roman Catholic belief?
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area52
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Are you serious? Mary is spouse of the Holy Spirit?
Definition of spouse (Webster)- Noun 1. A person’s partner in marriage.
Where did you get this idea from?
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justasking4
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Welcome to Roman Catholic thinking and beliefs…
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Goth_Catholic
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It’s tradition church teaching. It isn’t de fide dogma, but it is a teaching of church that Mary is daughter, mother, and spouse of the trinity.
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Goth_Catholic
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Wrong
Welcome to the truth. The Catholic Church just teaches it.
But, don’t let me tell you that. You’ll hear all about it when you die
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justasking4
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Where can i find this in offical writings?
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Goth_Catholic
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ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm11.htm
And again: every Christian is a “temple of the Holy Spirit”, according to the Apostle Paul’s expression (1 Cor 6:19). But this assertion takes on an extraordinary meaning in Mary: in her the relationship with the Holy Spirit is enriched with a spousal dimension. I recalled this in the Encyclical Redemptoris Mater: “The Holy Spirit had already come down upon her, and she became his faithful spouse at the Annunciation, welcoming the Word of the true God…” (n. 26).
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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Do you want some more Roman Catholic thinking and beliefs?
It’s interesting to note that Protestants think Mary had other children. Obviously, she would of had sexual relations with Joseph. But Catholics believe she was always a virgin. That’s what Tradition says. So, her virginity says alot about Joseph who knew that God was the father of Mary’s baby and he just carried out his duty by being a guardian of the Holy Family. Her virginity tells us that Joseph knew that Mary was the spouse of God.
But, because of some interpretation of a biblical verse, Protestants don’t believe she was a virgin, so all this Tradition just goes down the Protestant toilet.
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Goth_Catholic
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Thank you Charlie.
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justasking4
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The problem is that there is not just one verse that shows she had her own children via her relationship with her husband but serveral passages.
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Rbt_Southwell
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And those passages which “shows she had her own children via her relationship with her husband” are???
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Goth_Catholic
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No, each of them show that Joseph may have had children. To my knowledge there is no bible passage that calls any person other then Jesus, Mary’s son.
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justasking4
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Look at Matthew 13:55-56 and Galatians 1:19 for references to the blood brothers and sisters of Jesus.
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Goth_Catholic
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Matthew: Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers etc. First of all there is no Greek word to denote cousin, half siblings or step siblings, second it says “His mother” Not “their mother”
Galatians: Same thing, “Brother of our Lord”, does not say “Son of Mary”
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justasking4
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Huh? If James is said to be the brother of the Lord that means Jesus was not an only child.
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Goth_Catholic
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Not if brother doesn’t mean “brother”. But even if he was a “brother” that doesn’t mean he was Mary’s son.
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Rbt_Southwell
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Let’s see now, St Matthew CHANGES an earlier Gospel retelling of this passage. Matthew 13:55-56 and Mark 6:3
Here is St Matthew: **"Is he not the carpenter’s son? **Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Are not his sisters with us?
Here is St Mark: “Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?”
St Matthew’s first verse REFERENCES St Joseph. Are those others listed then step siblings? Or cousins?
In one passage we have “Joseph” and in the other we have “Joses”. Why the inconsistency? And, these names ARE NOT interchangeable.
Further, in St Mark’s Gospel IN THE SAME CHAPTER at verse 17 we find: “Herod was the one who had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip.”
Gee, I thought Philip was the half-brother (step-brother) of Herod???
Remember: it was common in Semitic usage not only to call children of the same parents ‘brother’ and ‘sister’ but also nephews and nieces, step siblings, cousins.
See Genesis 14:16 and 29:15. See Lev 10:4
Come on, j4it, read a little bit more in your Bible.
Robert
Here is St Matthew: **"Is he not the carpenter’s son? **Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Are not his sisters with us?
Here is St Mark: “Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?”
St Matthew’s first verse REFERENCES St Joseph. Are those others listed then step siblings? Or cousins?
In one passage we have “Joseph” and in the other we have “Joses”. Why the inconsistency? And, these names ARE NOT interchangeable.
Further, in St Mark’s Gospel IN THE SAME CHAPTER at verse 17 we find: “Herod was the one who had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip.”
Gee, I thought Philip was the half-brother (step-brother) of Herod???
Remember: it was common in Semitic usage not only to call children of the same parents ‘brother’ and ‘sister’ but also nephews and nieces, step siblings, cousins.
See Genesis 14:16 and 29:15. See Lev 10:4
Come on, j4it, read a little bit more in your Bible.
Robert
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2ndGen
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Cool…plus, those named as Jesus’ kinsmen (aka cousins aka brothers in Aramaic)are also named the children of Jesus’ Aunt…the 3rd Mary at The Cross.Let’s see now, St Matthew CHANGES an earlier Gospel retelling of this passage. Matthew 13:55-56 and Mark 6:3
Here is St Matthew: **"Is he not the carpenter’s son? **Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Are not his sisters with us?
Here is St Mark: “Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?”
St Matthew’s first verse REFERENCES St Joseph. Are those others listed then step siblings? Or cousins?
In one passage we have “Joseph” and in the other we have “Joses”. Why the inconsistency? And, these names ARE NOT interchangeable.
Further, in St Mark’s Gospel IN THE SAME CHAPTER at verse 17 we find: “Herod was the one who had John arrested and bound in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip.”
Gee, I thought Philip was the half-brother (step-brother) of Herod???
Remember: it was common in Semitic usage not only to call children of the same parents ‘brother’ and ‘sister’ but also nephews and nieces, step siblings, cousins.
See Genesis 14:16 and 29:15. See Lev 10:4
Come on, j4it, read a little bit more in your Bible.
Robert
Plus, if Jesus had any brothers, by The Law, His mother’s care was to go to the next eldest brother. Because He had no brothers to give Mary to, He gave her to John.
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2ndGen
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justasking4
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There may not have been any of His brothers in the city at the time of the crucifixion. There is no indication they were even in the city on this day nor aware of what Jesus was doing. This would help to explain why He did not entrust her to them. Secondly as i wrote— If James is said to be the brother of the Lord that means Jesus was not an only child. Gal 1:19 then this means that Mary was not an ever virgin since she had James after Jesus was born.
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