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Jimmy_B
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**Observant Catholics - Do Not worship Mary! We believe in One God! **
There, that should clear things up for you, I hope.
Now back to the question posed here, do you love Mary?
God Bless You.
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There, that should clear things up for you, I hope.
Now back to the question posed here, do you love Mary?
God Bless You.
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justasking4
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i know full well what is claimed about this but it does not line up with what we see in the devotional material on her and the practice of applying these kinds of things. What we see in the devotional books and articles in regards to prayers and hymns is something that has elements of worship.Jimmy B;3416430]Observant Catholics - Do Not worship Mary! We believe in One God!
There, that should clear things up for you, I hope.
No. Scripture never commands such a thing. The only One we are to love is God in this sense. We are to love our fellow man who is alive now on earth but not to those who have died. We no longer have a relationship with the dead.Now back to the question posed here, do you love Mary?
God Bless You.
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J_C
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This is very incorrect either from biblical or logical points of view. The chrisitan church has never taught such things, but i imagine there are some sects out there with teachers who have come up with this type of odd teaching because of misinterpretations of scripture or a need to be different.
“since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses…”
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peary
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*Originally Posted by justasking4 *
You may not worship Mary but there are hymns and prayers to Mary that demonstate worship is going on. In fact your church supports many of these writings as far as i can tell.
How about supplying some examples of this?
You may not worship Mary but there are hymns and prayers to Mary that demonstate worship is going on. In fact your church supports many of these writings as far as i can tell.
How about supplying some examples of this?
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justasking4
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How about these for starters:
O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners, and for this reason he has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee. Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased. But one thing I fear, that in the hour of temptation I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace always to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
THE MEMORARE
“Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you do I come; before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy hear and answer me. Amen”
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Namesake
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I think you are correct. But, there are lots of Catholics that do worship Mary. So I suppose you would say that they aren’t really Catholics?
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Goth_Catholic
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"Jesus told her “I am the resurrection and the life; whoever belives in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and belives in me will never die…” John 11:25-26
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justasking4
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Just because someone may be alive after death doesn’t mean you can have some kind of relationship with them or that they can hear your prayers.
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Goth_Catholic
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Why not?
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fbl9
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i am assuming your objections lay in the parts of the text you highlighted.Mary is not forgiving the sins but obtaining pardon from God for the sins.does not a believer have power over hell?Mary herself will plead with Jesus on our behalf.just as Lot did in the OT.and again not one word about Mary doing the forgiving but her asking God for our forgiveness.you didn’t seem to object to the part about loving Jesus.
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fbl9
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are they not one with God?by being one with God they love the same as He does and the same things as He does.
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justasking4
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Where do the scriptures reveal the nature of the afterlife? Is it not true that the catholic does not know who is in heaven, hell or purgatory except for Mary?
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Goth_Catholic
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And the saints, and the Trinity and Satan and Judas and the angels
Where in the scriptures does it refute the Catholic belief in the afterlife? Is it not true that the protestant doesn’t know ethier?
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fbl9
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hey what happened to the 1000 posts per thread rule I guess someone will have to start a new thread on this subject very soon.
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justasking4
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How do these things reveal the nature of the after life?
The scriptures say nothing that a person can pray to a dead person and that dead person can hear you and do something about your prayers to them.
Yes
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peary
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**Very entertaining. In fact, the Memorare is one of my favorite prayers. If you analyze either of them, you can see right away that they are not intended as a form of worship but they are intended as a high form of veneration, honor, supplication and petition - things that Saint Paul mentions that we should be doing when we pray as Christians anyway. The prayers to Mary which have ‘survived’ traditionally are the Hail, Mary, the Memorare, and the *Salve Regina, *(Hail, Holy Queen). There might be a few more, but Catholic Christians are familiar with these. I would say that most Catholics are familiar with the Hail, Mary; the others are less known. Yes, they are Marian prayers, but they are GOD-centered prayers.
Again, because of Mary’s unique role as mother of Christ, she is mother of the Church, the Body of Christ. And, once again, you can only understand the Church’s veneration of Mary once you understand the significant role she had in salvation history. That is the starting point. **
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Rev 6:9-11
9] When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne;
[10] **they cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?” **
[11] Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
Rev 8:3-4
3] And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne;
[4] and the smoke of the incense rose **with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. **
Two examples of how in the heavenly kingdom the saints and martyrs are not only witnesses to what is happening on earth but also how their prayers are taken to God in the form of incense.
The saints in heaven are hardly dead or even mere bystanders. They are actively involved in the goings-on here on earth.
9] When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne;
[10] **they cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?” **
[11] Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
Rev 8:3-4
3] And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne;
[4] and the smoke of the incense rose **with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. **
Two examples of how in the heavenly kingdom the saints and martyrs are not only witnesses to what is happening on earth but also how their prayers are taken to God in the form of incense.
The saints in heaven are hardly dead or even mere bystanders. They are actively involved in the goings-on here on earth.
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peary
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originally posted by justasking4:
The only One we are to love is God in this sense. We are to love our fellow man who is alive now on earth but not to those who have died. We no longer have a relationship with the dead.
Hmm, you deny your own faith. Interesting…
The only One we are to love is God in this sense. We are to love our fellow man who is alive now on earth but not to those who have died. We no longer have a relationship with the dead.
Hmm, you deny your own faith. Interesting…
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guanophore
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I don’t know if there are ‘lots’, however, I do believe that people do go overboard with their devotions. I am personally acquained with one woman who is a baptized Catholic and believes that Our Lady of Guadelupe is an incarnation of the Mother Goddess! Although she does not believe or practice any other Catholic things, she prays to Our Lady of Guadelupe!
No, this is not Catholic. They have fallen away from the faith, and are committing the mortal sin of idolatry.
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