Why is Jesus necessary?

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quote: fhansen
Reen, you’re a gentle and intelligent soul. You riled me sometimes but I won’t mind that at all if you decide to keep on posting and it helps you. Well, I might mind it a bit
sometimes but I’ll try not to and I wish you well in any case.
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No, fhansen. I’m not a “gentle and intelligent soul.” I am a brilliant individual, with an extremely high IQ - a Rolls Royce intellect, left untouched by illness - who is quite used to the presentations of amateur apologists. :coffeeread:

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You riled me sometimes but I won’t mind that at all if you decide to keep on posting and it helps you.
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I guess the two publishers of my work didn’t mind, either, if I kept on writing. http://bestsmileys.com/fainting/1.gif
[Working on a book, now, devoted to the Hassidic Reb, Zusia.]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=231100&highlight=Zusia

But thanks for telling me that you “won’t mind at all” if I keep posting, if it “helps” me.

reen12
 
reen12 said:
quote: fhansen

No, fhansen. I’m not a “gentle and intelligent soul.” I am a brilliant individual, with an extremely high IQ - a Rolls Royce intellect, left untouched by illness - who is quite used to the presentations of amateur apologists. :coffeeread:

reen12
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And so modest too! 😃
 
reen12 said:
quote: fhansen

No, fhansen. I’m not a “gentle and intelligent soul.” I am a brilliant individual, with an extremely high IQ - a Rolls Royce intellect, left untouched by illness - who is quite used to the presentations of amateur apologists. :coffeeread:

quote:fhansen

I guess the two publishers of my work didn’t mind, either, if I kept on writing. http://bestsmileys.com/fainting/1.gif
[Working on a book, now, devoted to the Hassidic Reb, Zusia.]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=231100&highlight=Zusia

But thanks for telling me that you “won’t mind at all” if I keep posting, if it “helps” me.

reen12
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Thanks, reen, appreciate it. I think you may be exaggerating a bit though, especially the “left untouched by illness” part.
 
Find peace and love Reen … with the Father, far from the vultures who prey on the weak, and the wolves who devour the little … all the while baaa-ing like a lamb
I think you may be exaggerating a bit though, especially the “left untouched by illness” part.
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why would she exaggerate? a wounded soul is not the same as a wounded intellect
 
I had this question asked of me during a bible study we were doing with our life teen. We were using the T3 timeline, which is a quick tour teen version of a bible study called the Great Adventure by Jeff Cavins, Tim Gray & Sarah Christmeyer (spelling may be wrong). Anyway this great adventure walks you through the bible time line chronologically. It goes through the covenants made with God and man. Beginning with Adam, Noah, Abraham–then when you get to Moses on Mount Sinai we see the convent renewed. There were blessings & curses. Not that God was vengeful but the covenant was broken, so we (man) was under the curse. God knew that no mere human man would be able to bear the ultimate punishment of death to redeem his people, whom he loved. (all the earth not just the Israelites) so he came himself, as the son, Jesus to restore his covenant with us–fulfilling the promise of a Kingdom that would last forever in his church. This is the short version I recommend the study highly!
 
uglygal said:
Find peace and love Reen … with the Father, far from the vultures who prey on the weak, and the wolves who devour the little … all the while baaa-ing like a lamb

why would she exaggerate? a wounded soul is not the same as a wounded intellect
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gal,
It may not matter to you but us big bad Catholics aren’t immune from being hurt by words, either. When I suggested to reen that the forums may help her, I was referring to her comment that she benefited from or enjoyed the internet, not that she was being helped by our, or at least by my, exceptional theology. Her views are obviously strong on that issue. In any case, as I’ve said before, even tho I may get annoyed by what often amounts to attacks on our faith, because of my own experiences I tend to paint with a broader brush then some do spiritually, which gets me in trouble sometimes, and I’ve enjoyed some of the thoughts and challenges from you both and was meaning not to be antagonistic, especially if it meant making someone feel unwanted. Other posters have stated that posting on CAF is just a game for you and I’ve thought that before and finally shot back once or twice but still I thought I saw a genuine spirituality in there. But after reens response, I couldn’t help but be disappointed to find that it sounds like it was just a game after all.
 
Let’s consider a potentially “implied” syllogistic effort.

Syllogism:
-All persons who endure mental illness are no longer capable of applying canons of logical thought. [Premise?]
-X is mentally ill.
------->Therefore, X is not capable of rational thought.

Good God.

I’m reminded of Dr. John Nash - who was awarded the Nobel Prize in mathematics,
despite enduring the rigors of paranoid schizophrenia. A Beautiful Mind.] :coffeeread:

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reen12
 
Why is this question still here? Hasn’t everyone said everything?

You know, kids always find a way to get around the rules.
They can say, “He started it”, or “I didn’t do it”, “I didn’t know
it would bother her”, or “I didn’t actually touch him”, it goes on
and on. They can even use our own rules to be mean to each
other in certain situations, they can twist our words to their own
advantage. It is endless how smart children are! The real rule
is “love one another”.

There may have been only one way to get around all this and
that’s Jesus.

How much do we need to obey God? – to death
How much do we need to forgive? – to death
How much do we need to love? – to death

If we’re not dead yet, we can still do better. That’s all God’s
asking of us - everything we’ve got. That’s what He gave us.
He showed us He would die if He had to, and still forgive.
 
reen12 said:
Let’s consider a potentially “implied” syllogistic effort.

Syllogism:
-All persons who endure mental illness are no longer capable of applying canons of logical thought. [Premise?]
-X is mentally ill.
------->Therefore, X is not capable of rational thought.

Good God.

I’m reminded of Dr. John Nash - who was awarded the Nobel Prize in mathematics,
despite enduring the rigors of paranoid schizophrenia. A Beautiful Mind.] :coffeeread:

images.amazon.com/images/P/0743224574.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

reen12
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Thank you, that was very rational response.
 
quote: uglygal
…a wounded soul is not the same as a wounded intellect
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Quite true. 🙂 I sometimes think that God gifts one
with a high level of intelligence, because one is going
to need that, being in the world, so ill.

What I can never seem to fathom, is the thought that one
occassionally encounters - that if only I were apprised
of all points of doctrine, and that on which these rest,
that I would be overwhelmed by the evidence, and
promptly sign for a cruise to Infallible Island.

Then there is the assertion that faith is a gift of grace -
which seems to evoke an antiphonal response, on occassion -
when true faith evinces not.
To wit: one is not praying hard enough for the gift.

In any other area of human endeavor, that type of risible reasoning
would be considered a double-message.
You didn’t ask hard enough. http://bestsmileys.com/nono/9.gif
Climaxing, in a hardy game of IAYF. “It’s All Your Fault.”

But then, cleaving to the concept of Original Sin -
it is! All My Fault. 🙂

reen12
 
quote: cheeto1
Why is this question still here? Hasn’t everyone said everything?
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Apparently the question is still here, cheeto1,
because people choose to continue to post to the thread.http://bestsmileys.com/nono/9.gif

Apparently, all one has to do, on a Catholic forum, is to state
some form of: “I don’t accept Jesus as God,”
or “I don’t accept the RCC as relevant to my faith”

-------> and off we go! - to extensive apologetic effort, and
thousands of thread views.

By adding your recent post, the thread was, once again,
moved up the cue. :coffeeread:

Happily, Roma locuta est. Causa finita est,
is not universally accepted. Nor should it be. 🙂

reen12
 
quote: fhansen
I think you may be exaggerating a bit though, especially the “left untouched by illness” part.
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I value your assessment. 🙂

reen12
 
fhansen said:
gal,
It may not matter to you but us big bad Catholics aren’t immune from being hurt by words, either. When I suggested to reen that the forums may help her, I was referring to her comment that she benefited from or enjoyed the internet, not that she was being helped by our, or at least by my, exceptional theology. Her views are obviously strong on that issue. In any case, as I’ve said before, even tho I may get annoyed by what often amounts to attacks on our faith, because of my own experiences I tend to paint with a broader brush then some do spiritually, which gets me in trouble sometimes, and I’ve enjoyed some of the thoughts and challenges from you both and was meaning not to be antagonistic, especially if it meant making someone feel unwanted. Other posters have stated that posting on CAF is just a game for you and I’ve thought that before and finally shot back once or twice but still I thought I saw a genuine spirituality in there. But after reens response, I couldn’t help but be disappointed to find that it sounds like it was just a game after all.
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Why did you take those words as applying to catholics here? I at times don’t understand how people here in CA interpret my words but I will again admit that I am at times not the most eloquent or tactful with words.
That post was addressed to Reen particularly because when I said those words I was talking to her particularly. I was talking about those who have hurt her.

sorry if I offended you or made you feel like I was making catholics out to be big and bad
 
uglygal said:
Why did you take those words as applying to catholics here? I at times don’t understand how people here in CA interpret my words but I will again admit that I am at times not the most eloquent or tactful with words.
That post was addressed to Reen particularly because when I said those words I was talking to her particularly. I was talking about those who have hurt her.

sorry if I offended you or made you feel like I was making catholics out to be big and bad
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OK
 
Why is this question still here? Hasn’t everyone said everything?
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why indeed? I have been thinking about this lately.
I will not come on CA anymore.
I will leave you with my love and go seek the God of my heart elsewhere.

🙂 I wish everyone love, peace and safety.
 
This has been said before, in many different words from people from many different backgrounds, but it is worth saying.

He came, because we’re not strong enough by ourselves, because without Him we’re lost and no better than the Romans who crucifed Him and the Pharisees who rebuked Him every step of the way.

He came because He could, because you know, He’s God.

He came because He loves us, and despite being infinitely good, He took our frail and fallen form, and lived as both true God and true Man. But it wasn’t enough that He lived with us, taught us the way to eternal life, and enjoyed our company. He died for us as well.

Why?

Because we’re not strong enough by ourselves, friend. What we must remember is that we need help in this world. The only person we can trust is God, because He is all that is truly good. If God is with us, who is against us? But if God is against us, then who in all of eternity can be for us?
 
Dear Ugly Gal,
Go in the peace of God.
May you find the safe place in the Holder of all safe things.
 
reen12 said:
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…a wounded soul is not the same as a wounded intellect

Quite true. I sometimes think that God gifts one
with a high level of intelligence, because one is going
to need that, being in the world, so ill.
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Intellect is quite often as much curse as cure. When it is allowed to crowd out humility, and thus eventually charity, it makes it’s product as much burden to humanity as boon.
What I can never seem to fathom, is the thought that one
occassionally encounters - that if only I were apprised
of all points of doctrine, and that on which these rest,
that I would be overwhelmed by the evidence, and
promptly sign for a cruise to Infallible Island.
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Who has not had the dream in which a book of all knowledge was nearly reachable but not quite, or written in some hand very nearly readable but not quite? This dream is a universal want, and a universal disappointment. We must make our way with imperfect knowledge. But some knowledge is perfect in such a way that it can do no harm, and that knowledge is simple, and given freely, and hard to take because of it’s price. Being both free and costly.
Then there is the assertion that faith is a gift of grace -
which seems to evoke an antiphonal response, on occassion -
when true faith evinces not.
To wit: one is not praying hard enough for the gift.
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To pray is to allow, not to force. The gift is simply there if allowed, and simply flies if forced.
In any other area of human endeavor, that type of risible reasoning
would be considered a double-message.
You didn’t ask hard enough.
Climaxing, in a hardy game of IAYF. “It’s All Your Fault.”
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Or more aptly, IAYO, “It’s All Your Opportunity”. Be more allowing, and recieve more grace.
But then, cleaving to the concept of Original Sin -
it is! All My Fault.
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Original sin would have us always finding fault. God’s gift of free will allows us to counter with “It’s all my acceptance.”
 
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