Why is Masonry evil?

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The Freemasons played a leading role in the French Revolution. They proved their hatred and intolerance of the Catholic Church during the Reign of Terror and with the the Civil Constitution. Many priests and nuns were put to death for not accepting the Constitution on oath.
 
The Freemasons played a leading role in the French Revolution.
As supporters of the Monarchy, their star role was in proof-testing the guillotine…on the wrong end of the blade!

Some leading role!!! 😛
 
they are decieved into making demonic oath and things go down from there
I didn’t know that!

What oath do they make?

How is that oath linked to their belief in the Old and New Testaments? Does that oath play any role in their use of the Bible? I ask because I genuinely would like to know. Is there anyone who can answer that question?

How does ‘demonic oath’ if it is true [and I am not disbelieving you] rest with the idea that in some lodges, one has not only to be a Christian but one has to ‘prove’ one is a professed follower of Christ. How does demonic oath fit in with lodges such as Corinthians and Chapters such as Rosa Qua?
 
I didn’t know that!

What oath do they make?

How is that oath linked to their belief in the Old and New Testaments? Does that oath play any role in their use of the Bible? I ask because I genuinely would like to know. Is there anyone who can answer that question?

How does ‘demonic oath’ if it is true [and I am not disbelieving you] rest with the idea that in some lodges, one has not only to be a Christian but one has to ‘prove’ one is a professed follower of Christ. How does demonic oath fit in with lodges such as Corinthians and Chapters such as Rosa Qua?
did you take an oath most refer back to original in 16th century in upholding thier beliefs biblebelievers.org.au/mason1.htm#029
 
Still waiting to hear from Sixtus’ canon lawyer…:sleep: :yawn:

Not holding my breath, or I would be in big trouble.

Why do you tell us nonsense Sixtus? You say you will ask a canon lawyer and we hear not a peep from you about the conversation?

Could it be he agreed with me? 🤷
 
I’ll be tolearant of Masonry whenever they confess all their sins to the pope and vow to obey him.
 
fact that the secrets of Masonry are unknown to the bulk of Masons, the oaths of secrecy taken on the Bible are all the more startling and unjustifiable. The oath, for instance, of the first degree is as follows: “I, in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, . . . do hereby and hereon solemnly and sincerely swear, that I will always hide, conceal and never reveal any part or parts, any point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry which may heretofore have been known by, shall now or may at any future time be communicated to me” etc. “These several points I solemnly swear to observe under no less penalty, than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root and my body buried in the sands of the sea”, “or the more efficient punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth”. “So help me God”, etc.

Similar oaths, but with severer penalties attached, are taken in the advanced degrees. The principle contents of the promises are according to Pike:

Eighteenth degree: “I obligate and pledge myself always to sustain, that it belongs to Masonry to teach the great unsectarian truths, that do not exclusively belong to any religion and acknowledge that I have no right whatever to exact from others the acceptation of any particular interpretation of masonic symbols, that I may attribute to them by the virtue of my personal belief. I obligate and solemnly pledge myself to respect and sustain by all means and under any circumstances Liberty of Speech, Liberty of Thought and Liberty of Conscience in religious and political matters”. [143]

Thirtieth Degree: A. – “I solemnly and freely vow obedience to all the laws and regulations of the Order, whose belief will be my belief, I promise obedience to all my regular superiors. . . . I pledge myself to be devoted, soul and body, to the protection of innocence, the vindication of right, the crushing of oppression and the punishment of every infraction against the law of Humanity and of Man’s rights . . . never, either by interest or by fear, or even to save my existence, to submit to nor suffer any material despotism, that may enslave or oppress humanity by the usurpation or abuse of power. I vow never to submit to or tolerate any intellectual Despotism, that may pretend to chain or fetter free thought, etc.”

B. “I solemnly vow to consecrate my life to the ends of the Order of Knights of Kadosh, and to co-operate most efficaciously by all means prescribed by the constituted authorities of the order to attain them. I solemnly vow and consecrate, to these ends, my words, my power, my strength, my influence, my intelligence and my life. I vow to consider myself henceforward and forever as the Apostle of Truth and of the rights of man.”

C. “I vow myself to the utmost to bring due punishment upon the oppressors, the usurpers and the wicked; I pledge myself never to harm a Knight Kadosh, either by word or deed . . .; I vow that if I find him as a foe in the battlefield, I will save his life, when he makes me the Sign of Distress, and that I will free him from prison and confinement upon land or water, even to the risk of my own life or my own liberty. I pledge myself to vindicate right and truth even by might and violence, if necessary and duly ordered by my regular superiors.”
In view of these several reasons Catholics since 1738 are, under penalty of excommunication, incurred ipso facto, and reserved to the pope, strictly forbidden to enter or promote in any way Masonic societies. The law now in force [214] pronounces excommunication upon “those who enter Masonic or Carbonarian or other sects of the same kind, which, openly or secretly, plot against the Church or lawful authority and those who in any way favour these sects or do not denounce their leaders and principal members.” Under this head mention must also be made of the "Practical Instruction of the Congregation of the Inquisition, 7 May, 1884 [215] and of the decrees of the Provincial Councils of Baltimore, 1840; New Orleans, 1856; Quebec, 1851, 1868; of the first Council of the English Colonies, 1854; and particularly of the Plenary Councils of Baltimore, 1866 and 1884. [216] These documents refer mainly to the application of the papal decrees according to the peculiar condition of the respective ecclesiastical provinces. The Third Council of Baltimore, n. 254 sq., states the method of ascertaining whether or not a society is to be regarded as comprised in the papal condemnation of Freemasonry. It reserves the final decision thereon to a commission consisting of all the archbishops of the ecclesiastical provinces represented in the council, and, if they cannot reach a unanimous conclusion, refers to the Holy See.
D. “I pledge myself to obey without hesitation any order whatever it may be of my regular Superiors in the Order”. [144]

newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm
 
Hellisreal posted:
Re: Why is Masonry evil?
Still waiting to hear from Sixtus’ canon lawyer…
Not holding my breath, or I would be in big trouble.
Why do you tell us nonsense Sixtus? You say you will ask a canon lawyer and we hear not a peep from you about the conversation?
So you do not believe in talking to masons then? Are you more worthy in the sight of God than a freemason? Are you a better Christian/Catholic than a Christian/Catholic freemason? Do you sit in the front pew at Church? Do you wear your fasting on your face so that men may give you credit for your holiness?

I answered your question. Why are you on my case!. I was invited to apply to join Corinthiens by a fellow orthodox Catholic. I did not respond. But still you persecute me. So I am damned if I do and damned if I don’t!

Why is it that an organisation that defends Christianity and Catholicism deemed as evil while Catholics on this very forum are offering apologetics for organisations that promote blatant anti-Catholic propaganda, seek to undermine the Catholic Church and is blasphemous in its entirety!

BY the way, the Canon Lawyer said that any organisation provided it is not a secret society, promotes Christian ideals, is only open to practising Christians and require public recital and affirmation of the Nicene Creed and in particular Catholic virtue, is not banned by the Catholic Church. Membership of organisations that promote blasphemy is. I suggest you look again and not at me

In Christ

Sixtus
 
So you do not believe in talking to masons then? Are you more worthy in the sight of God than a freemason? Are you a better Christian/Catholic than a Christian/Catholic freemason? Do you sit in the front pew at Church? Do you wear your fasting on your face so that men may give you credit for your holiness?

I answered your question. Why are you on my case!. I was invited to apply to join Corinthiens by a fellow orthodox Catholic. I did not respond. But still you persecute me. So I am damned if I do and damned if I don’t!

Why is it that an organisation that defends Christianity and Catholicism deemed as evil while Catholics on this very forum are offering apologetics for organisations that promote blatant anti-Catholic propaganda, seek to undermine the Catholic Church and is blasphemous in its entirety!

BY the way, the Canon Lawyer said that any organisation provided it is not a secret society, promotes Christian ideals, is only open to practising Christians and require public recital and affirmation of the Nicene Creed and in particular Catholic virtue, is not banned by the Catholic Church. Membership of organisations that promote blasphemy is. I suggest you look again and not at me

In Christ

Sixtus
Why do you persist in this nonsense? Time and time again in other threads you raise this crazy notion but nobody has even suggested a Catholic cannot talk to or be friends with someone who is a Mason and you know nobody has said that. Why do you keep on with these lies.
The issue is about Freemasonry being evil.
The Church states it is evil (and you have read all the Church documents about Freemasonry because I and others have provided them to you many times) and the Church states that a Catholic CANNOT become a Freemason otherwise they are committing a grave sin.
Therefore once and for all please tell everyone here if you accept the Catholic Church teaching on Freemasonry or not. Just tell us YES or NO?
 
**Your texts you quote are ancient and have been superceded. **
You quote from a time when freemasonry was a SECRET SOCIETY. Catholic teaching forbade its members to belong to any secret society.

Your quotes also relate to a time when freemasonry was exclusory in that Church taught that it was wrong to belong to an organisation whose membership was not open. This is no longer the case. Anyone is elgible to join.

Church also forbade alternative participation in alternative religions. This is no longer the case. Freemasonry has given up any religioous ritual except for praising Almighty God, But according to the document, a Catholic freemason is not allowed to behave as if it were secret, he has a duty to inform his pp and and seek guidance from his spiritual director.

I will quote the source in due course, It is now 5.30 am in UK, I have been posting all night on CAF. I have now to get ready and go to work. Post again during my tea and lunch break

God bless and good night/morning 🙂
I am interested in your sources. (Page 4, Post #46)
 
I give up Sixtus.

May the peace of the Lord replace the angry words you have for those who have done their very best to help you.

No one here can force you to accept Church teaching, or to be civil to those you do not agree with.
 
Hellisreal posted:
angry words you have for those who have done their very best to help you.
No one here can force you to accept Church teaching,
Dear hellisreal, you do not try to kill someone you are trying to help…not unless you are SDA and your name is David Kesh 😛

Lets face it you and Thistle are not going to convince me that a group which professes faith in Jesus Christ, His Divinity and the Nicene Creed is evil any more than I am going to convince you that a group which denies Christ’s divinity is evil.

Show me where I have publicly tried to harm you and I will publicly confess and apologise. I would rather have the sin on my soul of being benevolent and tolerant to ideologies which differ from my own [freemasonry, Islam etc] than a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

May the peace of the Risen Christ remain with you now and for ever
 
Hellisreal posted:

Dear hellisreal, you do not try to kill someone you are trying to help…not unless you are SDA and your name is David Kesh 😛

Lets face it you and Thistle are not going to convince me that a group which professes faith in Jesus Christ, His Divinity and the Nicene Creed is evil any more than I am going to convince you that a group which denies Christ’s divinity is evil.

Show me where I have publicly tried to harm you and I will publicly confess and apologise. I would rather have the sin on my soul of being benevolent and tolerant to ideologies which differ from my own [freemasonry, Islam etc] than a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

May the peace of the Risen Christ remain with you now and for ever
Why are you reluctant to tell us if you accept the Church’s teaching on Freemasonry? Are you scared to give us a straight answer?
The Church says it is evil. The Church says a Catholic CANNOT become a Freemason otherwise they are committing a grave sin.
Do you accept that? YES or NO??
 
Originally Posted by Sixtus
**Your texts you quote are ancient and have been superceded. **You quote from a time when freemasonry was a SECRET SOCIETY. Catholic teaching forbade its members to belong to any secret society.
When were they superceded and by whom? I can’t find where they have been rescinded.
Your quotes also relate to a time when freemasonry was exclusory in that Church taught that it was wrong to belong to an organisation whose membership was not open. This is no longer the case. Anyone is elgible to join.
Church also forbade alternative participation in alternative religions. This is no longer the case. Freemasonry has given up any religioous ritual except for praising Almighty God, But according to the document, a Catholic freemason is not allowed to behave as if it were secret, he has a duty to inform his pp and and seek guidance from his spiritual director.
I will quote the source in due course, It is now 5.30 am in UK, I have been posting all night on CAF. I have now to get ready and go to work. Post again during my tea and lunch break
God bless and good night/morning
This was Page 4, Post #46.

Is it “due course” yet?
 
There is so much controversy. I know one man, a brother Knight of Columbus who bowed out of the Freemasons when he joined Kof C. He understands the reasons but states very candidly he never saw or heard of any anti-catholic rehetoric while he belonged to a lodge and moved up the ranks. But his faith and being a Knight are important to him so he severed his ties to the Masons.

Another man at a local parish approached me during a Kof C membership drive. He was nice but was a bit edgy. He showed me his Masonic ring and said, “You guys will never let me join, eventhough I’d like to, because I am never giving up my membership with the Masons. At the lodge we respect everyone’s right to worship God in his own way, that’s the American way too. No one ever told me at my lodge that being Catholic was bad…” etc. I thanked him for the insight into Freemasonry…what was I going to say?

I have another friend who is a Freemason and active in his parish, I don’t understand why but he insists, there is no conflict. I understand it differently since the Church’s stand is the Church’s stand and stated very clearly. Being a Freemason/Shriner etc and being Catholic is akin to saying “I know the Church says abortion is wrong but it really is not, it is really okay, I should know, I am a doctor who performs abortions, I am Catholic and there is no conflict.” Or perhaps to a different degree, “I give money to planned parenthood because I think they are a good charity and I beleive in their mission. I don’t see the conflict in doing that and and being Catholic.” :confused:
 
There is so much controversy. I know one man, a brother Knight of Columbus who bowed out of the Freemasons when he joined Kof C. He understands the reasons but states very candidly he never saw or heard of any anti-catholic rehetoric while he belonged to a lodge and moved up the ranks. But his faith and being a Knight are important to him so he severed his ties to the Masons.

Another man at a local parish approached me during a Kof C membership drive. He was nice but was a bit edgy. He showed me his Masonic ring and said, “You guys will never let me join, eventhough I’d like to, because I am never giving up my membership with the Masons. At the lodge we respect everyone’s right to worship God in his own way, that’s the American way too. No one ever told me at my lodge that being Catholic was bad…” etc. I thanked him for the insight into Freemasonry…what was I going to say?

I have another friend who is a Freemason and active in his parish, I don’t understand why but he insists, there is no conflict. I understand it differently since the Church’s stand is the Church’s stand and stated very clearly. Being a Freemason/Shriner etc and being Catholic is akin to saying “I know the Church says abortion is wrong but it really is not, it is really okay, I should know, I am a doctor who performs abortions, I am Catholic and there is no conflict.” Or perhaps to a different degree, “I give money to planned parenthood because I think they are a good charity and I beleive in their mission. I don’t see the conflict in doing that and and being Catholic.” :confused:
Cafeteria Catholicism - a new rite apparently 🤷
 
There is so much controversy. I know one man, a brother Knight of Columbus who bowed out of the Freemasons when he joined Kof C. He understands the reasons but states very candidly he never saw or heard of any anti-catholic rehetoric while he belonged to a lodge and moved up the ranks. But his faith and being a Knight are important to him so he severed his ties to the Masons.

Another man at a local parish approached me during a Kof C membership drive. He was nice but was a bit edgy. He showed me his Masonic ring and said, “You guys will never let me join, eventhough I’d like to, because I am never giving up my membership with the Masons. At the lodge we respect everyone’s right to worship God in his own way, that’s the American way too. No one ever told me at my lodge that being Catholic was bad…” etc. I thanked him for the insight into Freemasonry…what was I going to say?

I have another friend who is a Freemason and active in his parish, I don’t understand why but he insists, there is no conflict. I understand it differently since the Church’s stand is the Church’s stand and stated very clearly. Being a Freemason/Shriner etc and being Catholic is akin to saying “I know the Church says abortion is wrong but it really is not, it is really okay, I should know, I am a doctor who performs abortions, I am Catholic and there is no conflict.” Or perhaps to a different degree, “I give money to planned parenthood because I think they are a good charity and I beleive in their mission. I don’t see the conflict in doing that and and being Catholic.” :confused:
You can not serve two masters just because you take money for killing people does not make it right your conflict will be with your creator when He ask you why you killed and funded killing his creatures
 
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