The way I see it, the Qur’an and the Hadith says that by taking their rabbis and priests as their lords besides Allah and their refusal to accept the Message brought by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Jews and Christians have condemned themselves to the Hell-fire.Are you admitting then, that the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures are not corrupt?
Last time I checked, Christians haven’t done murder lately in order to express their grievances. Yet Muslims do that every day, in the name of Allah, including the murder of other Muslims (most recently Benazir Bhutto).Mathew Chapter 7 Verses 15-20 The Word of GOD:
15
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
16
By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17
Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.
19
Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
20
So by their fruits you will know them.
Which disagree with each other on several matters as we have shown.The way I see it, the Qur’an and the Hadith
Which is an unverified, unsubstantiated claim made under suspiciously self serving circumstances.says that by taking their rabbis and priests as their lords besides Allah and their refusal to accept the Message brought by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh),
Which contradicts the Quran which says that:Jews and Christians have condemned themselves to the Hell-fire.
Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians -
whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right - shall have nothing to fear or regret.
-- Sura 5:69Nope. I just want confirmation that you have admitted that the Bible is not corrupt. Because the Quran directly contradicts the Bible. It is either the Bible or the Quran which is false. I believe and we have proven that the Quran is false.And yet, you are nitpicking about the corruptness of Hebrew and Christian scriptures.
You can do anything you want. But it is clear you are stalling in order to avoid admitting the truth. That you have admitted the Bible is not corrupt as most Muslims claim.Talk about rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic!
First of all, you really do need to read the other verses in the particular passage or better yet, read the whole Sura in order to understand the context of these verses.Which contradicts the Quran which says that:
Code:Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians - whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right - shall have nothing to fear or regret. -- Sura 5:69
We don’t worship our priests, so we don’t take them as our “Lords”. We also do not follow false prophets, which Muhammad is considered to be.First of all, you really do need to read the other verses in the particular passage or better yet, read the whole Sura in order to understand the context of these verses.
However, even if you are considering just this one verse…
Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians - whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right - shall have nothing to fear or regret. … Sura 5:69
Notice the part about doing “what is right”?
How is their action of taking their rabbis and priests as their lords besides Allah and their refusal to accept the Message brought by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) be considered doing “what is right”??
There is really no contradiction whatsoever to be found here in the Qur’an.
Sadly, the Qur’an also states in numerous verses, either directly or indirectly, that not all Muslims are going to Paradise.Last time I checked, Christians haven’t done murder lately in order to express their grievances. Yet Muslims do that every day, in the name of Allah, including the murder of other Muslims (most recently Benazir Bhutto).
If we look at Islam as evidenced by the fruits of their adherents, it would appear Islam is the “rotten tree” cited in the above scripture that will be “cut down and thrown into the fire”.
Judgment is reserved for Allah himself, and no man can judge the works of another man. No matter how outwardly right they may seem only GOD himself knows the hearts of men. So, this passage is essentially pointless because God will decide at the end if i lived well or not, regarless of Islam of Christianity.Notice the part about doing “what is right”?
How is their action of taking their rabbis and priests as their lords besides Allah and their refusal to accept the Message brought by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) be considered doing “what is right”??
There is really no contradiction whatsoever to be found here in the Qur’an.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) remarked:We don’t worship our priests, so we don’t take them as our “Lords”.
No I don’t. Because that really isn’t the subject you and I are discussing. You have admitted that the Scriptures are NOT corrupt. Most Muslims claim that the Scriptures are corrupt. Therefore you are contradicting your brethren. And apparently that is what irks you.First of all, you really do need to read the other verses in the particular passage
I have.or better yet, read the whole Sura in order to understand the context of these verses.
However, even if you are considering just this one verse…
Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians - whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right - shall have nothing to fear or regret. … Sura 5:69
We do our best to do what is right…Notice the part about doing “what is right”?
We don’t worship our rabbis or priests. That is an outright lie in the Quran.How is their action of taking their rabbis and priests as their lords besides Allah
Easily!and their refusal to accept the Message brought by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) be considered doing “what is right”??
No, but contradiction is not the only type of error to be found in the Quran. In this case, the Quran is simply in error as to what Christians worship.There is really no contradiction whatsoever to be found here in the Qur’an.
Okay. So then, you would be fine if lets say, Islam was NOT the dominate religion of the world?No, it is not about power, it is about wholeheartedly accepting and subsequently living completely by the Truth… and the Truth comes only from the Creator.
Again, we do not worship our priests, we do not make Lords of them. So this does not apply to Catholics or Christians in general.The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) remarked:
"They did not worship their rabbis and their monks. However, they believed in what was declared lawful or unlawful by them, though without any sanction." (Tirmidhi)
Allah charges the Jews and Christians with taking their rabbis and their monks as their lords besides Allah. The Prophet (pbuh) explained this point with reference to their blind acceptance of their pronouncements about lawful and unlawful things. They never examined their ruling in the light of the Torah or the Gospel. In other words, they blindly followed them.
By obeying their priests in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah, they made them partners of Allah.
And so, what Jews and Christians have done in obeying their rabbis and priests who have made unlawful things like usury, pork and alcohol “lawful”, is most definitely NOT doing what is right.
Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIGHT. He is the Creator. So, on this we can agree. Now you just need to get on board. We wholeheartedly accept the TRUTH which is Jesus, He is TRUTH incarnate. So we do our best to live according to His example. Now it’s your turn!No, it is not about power, it is about wholeheartedly accepting and subsequently living completely by the Truth… and the Truth comes only from the Creator.
Galatians Chapter 1
This scripture is a clear reference to the Angel that Muhammad supposedly saw. According to the Creator himself, the information given to Muhammad is “accursed”.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!
9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!
Dear Jonathon (is that Jonathon or Jonathan?),Aristotle had one proof that the world was either a sphere, or a cylinder.(Lunar eclipses)
The Ancient Egyptians had a different proof that the world was either a sphere, or a cylinder.(Solar Parallax)
The Phoenicians had a third proof that the world was either a sphere, or a cylinder. (Disappearing boats)
It might not have permeated popular culture, but the fact that the world was not flat was known well before 600 AD.
xan
jonathon
:doh2:Because he was three times heavyweight champion of the world.
Cause he float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.:doh2:
King of frauds maybe.Hi
I quote from Quran and then give my argument:
[33:39] No blame can attach to the Prophet with respect to that which Allah has made incumbent upon him. Such, indeed, was the way of Allah with those who have passed before - and the command of Allah is a decree ordained -
[33:40] Those who delivered the Messages of Allah and feared Him, and feared none but Allah. And sufficient is Allah as a reckoner.
[33:41] **Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things. **
[33:42] O ye who believe! remember Allah much;
[33:43] And glorify Him morning and evening.
[33:44] He it is Who sends down His blessing on you, and His angels pray for you, that He may bring you forth from all kinds of darkness into light. And He is Merciful to the believers.
[33:45] Their greeting on the day, when they meet Him, will be ‘Peace.’ And He has prepared for them an honourable reward.
[33:46] O Prophet! truly We have sent thee as a Witness and a Bearer of glad tidings, and a Warner,
[33:47] And as a Summoner unto Allah by His command, and as a light-giving Lamp.
[33:48] And announce to the believers the glad tidings that they will have great bounty from Allah.
www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=33&verse=40
As a Seal of Prophents, no true ProphetMessenger can come in any other religion accept Muhammad.
The PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 has come as a successor of Muhammad, in my opinion.
This sign sigularly makes Muhammad the greatest; Muhammad is not only a king but a kingmaker.
Peace.
Of course you could differ with me; this is your free will.
Love to Jesus and Mary.
Thanks
Dear Paarsurrey,Hi
As a Seal of Prophents, no true ProphetMessenger can come in any other religion accept Muhammad.
The PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 has come as a successor of Muhammad, in my opinion.
This sign sigularly makes Muhammad the greatest; Muhammad is not only a king but a kingmaker.
Peace.
Of course you could differ with me; this is your free will.
Love to Jesus and Mary.
Thanks
With all due respect, I don’t know how any Christian can ask this question. Our own scriptures tell us that we should pay no attention to any of this. Muslims claim their prophet was visited by an Angel. We know that this visit should be given no value. The proof is here:Dear Paarsurrey,
I am confused. The Quran says that Muhammad was the last prophet. You claim that you are muslim, and yet you believe that that you have later prophet who is the ProphetMessenger (the Promised Messiah). You also claim that your ProphetMessenger is the successor of Muhammad. Do you believe that your ProphetMessenger is the “Imam Mahdi?” In this case, why Muhammad should be greater than your ProphetMessenger as you mentioned? Shouldn’t be your ProphetMessenger is greater than Muhammad in your belief? Please correct me if I am wrong.
This is clear. After Jesus, anyone who presents themselves as from God, IS NOT from God and is, in fact, to be avoided by any who believe in God.Galatians 1
8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!
9
As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!