Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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Quran/Islam/Muhammad do not say that the earth is flat. Kindly quote from Quran.

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Dear Paarsurrey,

I think that you misunderstood me. Please re-read my posting. I was saying that anybody saying the earth is flat in our current time frame is wrong. I even ask DeMaria not to blame Muhammad for saying the earth is flat. At year 600’s nobody think the earth is round, I believe.
 
You may have your ideas. But I can tell you that the Quran is the only word of God (kalaam Allah). There is no other book in the world which is the word or speech of God. I am sure you cannot show from the bible that it is the speech of God. Please Give any verse of the bible which says that it is the speech of God.

But same can be shown to you from the Quran. Quran claims to be the speech (kalaam) of God. It claims to be in a clear Arabic language. Does bible tell you in which language it is revealed? In which language God revealed it.

I am not denying the truth of the material of bible. I am only considering the words of the bible (not the contents).
Dear Planten,

One thing you are quite correct about us. We believe that Jesus is the Word of God. As Jesus is a living entity, then Jesus is a living word of God, not a static written message. We do not believe that the whole words of God can be reduced into a book. God is much…much…much greater to be summarized into just a book. I hope you can understand our position. The bible only take something that human (in this case the writer) can comprehend about God. God is a lot greater to be summarized just by the wording of the book called bible. I don’t know if you believe that God can be summarized in a book called Quran.
 
You may have your ideas. But I can tell you that the Quran is the only word of God (kalaam Allah). There is no other book in the world which is the word or speech of God. I am sure you cannot show from the bible that it is the speech of God. Please Give any verse of the bible which says that it is the speech of God.

But same can be shown to you from the Quran. Quran claims to be the speech (kalaam) of God. It claims to be in a clear Arabic language. Does bible tell you in which language it is revealed? In which language God revealed it.

I am not denying the truth of the material of bible. I am only considering the words of the bible (not the contents).
Firstly, God spread the word in many languages though the miracle of the Holy Spirit sending it out to many different people as tongues, this way, it was sent out in many different languages, so his message could be passed out through the whole earth, not just Arabic. Which makes more sense than just spreading his word in one language anyway.

Secondly, the quran is written and made up by Mohammed. There are passages in it that you can see its refering to him (Mohammed). He has taken bits and pieces from other religions to suit his purposes, perfected it over the 23 years in the cave, and claimed it to be the word of God.

I dont think God would send any other prophets after sending his one and only son to spread the word, fulfill the prophecy of dying on the cross and then raised into heaven. It makes no sense. Jesus warned us of false prophets also, and i would take the word of Jesus anyday over that of Mohammed.

Anyway, God bless.
Dolphy
 
Hi

Quran/Islam/Muhammad do not say that the earth is flat. Kindly quote from Quran.

Thanks
Do they not look at the camels how they are made.
And the sky how it is raised high.
And the mountains how they are fixed firm.
And the earth how it is spread out?
(Wa ilal’ardi kayfa sutihat.)
– Sura 88:17-20
 
Wow. As thr Catholic half of a well-functioning interfaith marriage to a Muslim, I feel, out of a sense of protectiveness for my Husband and his people, the need for my first post to address this question as kindly, and succinctly as possible. So, point by point:
With all due respect to your marriage, you should not enter these discussions because you will put yourself in the position of attacking your Lord:

Luke 14
26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
I hope some intellectual muslim could answer us on this.
The fact is that Muslims have no intellectual answer. You might be living under the presumption that all faiths are equally true. The fact is that Islam is a complete lie.
Muhammad was born without a father and his mother died soon after he was born.
Jesus had a miraculous birth.
Not disputed by Islam at all…
You missed the point entirely. The point is that Mohammed is not the “one like his brethren” Muslims claim that Jesus is not the Prophet of which Scripture speaks, but Mohammed.
Muhammad committed acts of murder, lying & pedophilia according to the hadeeths of muslim, tabari & bukhari
Jesus had impeccable character.
Well there’s a hate-laden statement. …
No it isn’t. It is pretty factual. It is a matter of record for the most part.
Amazing how many of our own heroes could be considered murderers.
But not Jesus. And the comparison is between Mohammed and Jesus.
The same could be said for Moses, drowning the army of the Pharoh.
That was God.
David murdered Goliath, under your own definition.
That was warfare. Kill or be killed. Goliath would have killed David if he had been able to grab him.
Lying? Elaborate please… I searched the Hadith and can’t find the instance.
…To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good." In exploring this puzzling duplicity within Islam, we will examine first some examples from recent and ancient Islamic history. These examples demonstrate that lying is a common policy amongst Islamic clerics and statesmen.

This point is proven by many incidences in the life of Mohammed. He often lied and instructed his followers to do the same. He rationalized that the prospect of success in missions to extend Islam’s influence overrode Allah’s initial prohibitions against lying. A good example of sanctioned lying is the account of the assassination of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, a member of the Jewish tribe, Banu al-Nudair. It had been reported that Kaab had shown support for the Quraishites in their battle against Mohammed. This was compounded by another report that infuriated Mohammed. It was alleged that Kaab had recited amorous poetry to Muslim women. Mohammed asked for volunteers to rid him of Kaab Ibn al-Ashraf. As Mohammed put it, Kaab had “Harmed Allah and His Apostle.” At that time Kaab Ibn al-Ashraf, and his tribe were strong, so it was not easy for a stranger to infiltrate and execute the task. A Muslim man by the name of Ibn Muslima, volunteered for the murderous project on the condition that Mohammed would allow him to lie. With Mohammed’s consent, Ibn Muslima, went to Kaab and told him fabricated stories that reflected discontent about Mohammed’s leadership. When he had gained Kaab’s trust he lured him away from his house one night and murdered him in a remote area under the cover of darkness.

A similar example can be found in the story of killing Shaaban Ibn Khalid al-Hazly. It was rumored that Shaaban was gathering an army to wage war on Mohammed. Mohammed retaliated by ordering Abdullah Ibn Anis to kill Shaaban. Again, the would-be killer asked the prophet’s permission to lie. Mohammed agreed and then ordered the killer to lie by stating that he was a member of the Khazaa clan.
islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml
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… And Mary was already betrothed to Joseph at the time of the Immaculate Conception.
You might want to stop defending your husband and start learning a bit about your professed religion. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary was conceived without sin. So if you mean that Mary was betrothed to Joseph the INSTANT she was conceived, then you’ve got some explaining to do.
catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
Muhammad’s sons all died in their infancies, allah did not save them, neither could muhammad.
Jesus healed the sick and resurrected Lazarus from death.
Everything that happens is God’s Will. It was God’s Will that Lazarus be resurrecteed. God does as he chooses, and we, you and I can only trust in his plan. Under Islam, God healed the sick and raised the dead. Jesus was the instrument of that. But it was God’s Will. Remember God said no to Jesus too.
Jesus is God. Or have you forgotten that important point in your faith as well?
Muhammad was poisoned to death by a slave girl.
Jesus sacrificed Himself on the cross for mankind.
No he wasn’t. Mohammed died of an illness, probably the flu or something similar.
According to some Muslims, Mohammed was poisoned.
answering-islam.org/Silas/mo-death.htm
Muhammad says to kill the enemies of allah.
Jesus taught love and healed even the soldier that sought to capture Him.
No. The Qu’ran says to not be afraid to do what you need to do to protect your faith and family and home. Jesus said to turn the other cheek. But even Jesus knew you only have two cheeks. The incident at the temple.
No, the Quran says to kill unbelievers. And that is precisely how many Muslims understand the verse. Yes, there are Muslims who don’t believe it, but we have to deal with the ones who do.
Jesus (according to even muslims) will one day return from the skies.
Muhammad is today still rotting in Medina.
That’s right. The Qu’ran refers to Jesus as the Messiah numerous times. But under literal translation Messiah is “Annointed” and so being the Messiah to a Muslim does not necesarily mean he is the Son of God… Let alone that he is God himself. Remember the First Commandment…No other Gods.
So you don’t believe that Jesus is God? What kind of a Catholic are you?
SO…FOR WHICH OF THESE DO MUSLIMS CALL MUHAMMAD GREATER?
None. Actually any and every Muslim I’ve ever spoken to has said Mohammed was just a man. As Moses was Just a man. Who lived, loved and died as a Man. But during his life was blessed to carry a message from God. Jesus is the Messiah. Two very different categories.
But that is not what the Muslims here are saying. So, next time read the thread before you jump in.
By the way the Qu’ran says some lovely things about marriage, and one that I take to heart “Be a Garment unto each other.” I protect him and he protects me. I make sure he prays each day. He makes sure I get to Mass. He guards my faith as steadfastly as I do his. And seeing a forum for Catholics, who are suposed to be living in his example, spreading hate like this is… disappointing to say the least.
This isn’t about you and your husband. It is about the lies in the Quran and in Islam in general.
By the way, Mohammed did meet a Catholic Monk when he was 12. A justification my Husband used to attend Midnight Mass with me yesterday. “If it’s good enough for the Prophet, it’s good enough for me.”
And that is wonderful. May he be converted to the true faith soon.

God bless you and your family.

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
You may have your ideas. But I can tell you that the Quran is the only word of God (kalaam Allah). There is no other book in the world which is the word or speech of God. I am sure you cannot show from the bible that it is the speech of God.
2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,
Please Give any verse of the bible which says that it is the speech of God.
If you mean the literal “speech of God” as though God has a tongue and mouth like a man. Then no, we don’t have such.

But Jesus, the God/Man, spoke Aramaic. Although He didn’t claim it was the speech of God. And the Bible frequently mentions Hebrew, but does not claim it is the Speech of God.

However, the Scriptures are the Word of God which is transmitted not just by Scripture but also by word.
But same can be shown to you from the Quran. Quran claims to be the speech (kalaam) of God. It claims to be in a clear Arabic language. Does bible tell you in which language it is revealed? In which language God revealed it.
So? They are just false claims. The errors in the Quran prove it is NOT the Word of God.
I am not denying the truth of the material of bible. I am only considering the words of the bible (not the contents).
The words of the Bible are the content. Therefore you are even contradicting yourself.

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
**De Maria, I would not have replied to you because your posts were disturbing. But I saw some useful note of alarm in your post 64. **

Luke 14
26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


**Now here I see Jesus giving lessons of hatred. So where is love?? It seems that your message is all hatred and that is what you have spread in all your posts. That was a good and real quote from the bible, very enjoyable. I will always remember this important message of hatred from Jesus. **
 
**De Maria, I would not have replied to you because your posts were disturbing. But I saw some useful note of alarm in your post 64. **

Luke 14
26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


**Now here I see Jesus giving lessons of hatred. So where is love?? It seems that your message is all hatred and that is what you have spread in all your posts. That was a good and real quote from the bible, very enjoyable. I will always remember this important message of hatred from Jesus. **
The next verse is the beloved verse about taking up your cross and following Christ. Jesus is not refering to hate in the sense that you despise someone or wish ill upon them. He does not mean that you should kill these people, as that would mean you would kill yourself. He is saying that you should not put anything above your God. Many people do not convert because of family issues. Jesus is saying that that is not valid excuse.
 
Because he beat Liston and Chavulo!!! Sorry I had to post that!!:extrahappy: :extrahappy:
 
Luke 14
26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


**Now here I see Jesus giving lessons of hatred. So where is love?? It seems that your message is all hatred and that is what you have spread in all your posts. That was a good and real quote from the bible, very enjoyable. I will always remember this important message of hatred from Jesus. **
Hi

Mind you please, this message if it is of hatred it is not from Jesus, but it is according to Luke, I don’t think JesusYeshuaIssa ever said any words of hatred, not like of him.

Thanks
 
The next verse is the beloved verse about taking up your cross and following Christ. Jesus is not refering to hate in the sense that you despise someone or wish ill upon them. He does not mean that you should kill these people, as that would mean you would kill yourself. He is saying that you should not put anything above your God. Many people do not convert because of family issues. Jesus is saying that that is not valid excuse.
**We Muslims understand these things better than you and we really have no problem, no objection. But it should be a reminder to you the way you read our books. We could do the same. Your justification is not acceptable. There is a clear lesson of hatred in your book direct from the mouth of Jesus.

That hatred is visible in the posts too. When there is a lesson of hatred for the mother and father, then how much more it will be for the Muslims !!! and hatred for the people of other faiths**…
 
**We Muslims understand these things better than you and we really have no problem, no objection. But it should be a reminder to you the way you read our books. We could do the same. Your justification is not acceptable. There is a clear lesson of hatred in your book direct from the mouth of Jesus.

That hatred is visible in the posts too. When there is a lesson of hatred for the mother and father, then how much more it will be for the Muslims !!! and hatred for the people of other faiths**…
Jesus taught that we should never put anything above the Kingdom of God. He compairs it to treasure beyond compair. HE also taught that we shoudl forgive those who hurt us, even if they do not ask (no hate there). He taught us to pray for our enemies (no hate there). My interpretation of the verse is consistant with Christ’s teachings. Just look at Paar’s two comments. He sees what I am saying about this.

Jesus’s message was one of forgiveness. God fogiving us, we forgive each other. Forgiveness is a message of love.

According to Christ, we are not to hate anyone. let alone Muslims. We are still humans, though. Sometimes, our human side overrules our spiritual side.
 
Dear Paarsurrey,

I think that you misunderstood me. Please re-read my posting. I was saying that anybody saying the earth is flat in our current time frame is wrong. I even ask DeMaria not to blame Muhammad for saying the earth is flat. At year 600’s nobody think the earth is round, I believe.
Hi

Thank you.
 
For anyone who says that the Qur’an is stating that the Earth is flat, kindly refer to this post for the explanation.
 
Hmmm this has gotten off topic rather quickly, please let’s stay on topic: Why is Muhammad the greatest? Why is he the only prophet that Islam prays to? What about the other ones? Why is Muhammad venerated so so so much? Does it say anywhere in the Qu’ran to pray to him so much?

Who cares if the earth is flat or not…
 
De Maria…

What kind of Catholic am I?

Probably a bad one. I struggle with my faith every day. Many days I lose.

But I do my best. I fight hard to hang on to it. I have been to the Vaitcan as a child, heard John Paul II. I have walked on my knees at Fatima. And I pray each day, every day for God to shore me up for one more day.

I try every day, to focus on how Christ lived, and what he said and taught.

One of the questions I struggle with often come from my reading the Gospel (A couple of different translations since we all know how mucky things get with translations…look at all of the different ways the Catholics here interpret and read the Qu’ran, which I’m pretty sure is a translation as opposed to the original Arabic) and I have always asked why if Jesus was God, why was he so very specific to refer to God as a Parental figure. Yes he said “The Father and I are one,” but in a contextual light that becomes rather weak as a statement to his actually being God. Why every other time does he refer to God as Father? Jesus was known for speaking clearly, and plainly. He taugh using parables, but he was still pretty clear and simple in speach. Why is God still Father? If he is God, why the entire incident in the garden, begging God to take the cup from him? It’s a question I struggle with in my own faith, and don’t expect the answers to be found here on an internet forum.

But then I’m not sure this forum really has the answers I need anyways. Because so many people seem so…off message.

Oh and Mary was Betrothed to Joseph before Gabriel came and spoke to her, right? The point I was trying to make was that Mary was already lined up to be a typical wife at the time of the immaculate conception, and I was taught in CCD that she may have been around 13 years old. So Aisha Binti Bakr being 9 at her Nikkah, and 11 when she acctually consummated her marriage wasn’t really abnormal in light of times.

And how many times has the Catholic Church been the hand of deception for the sake of its own benefit… too many times to count.

People do get off message, it’s our nature. We can’t understand fully God’s plan or will. We can only do our best, and beg forgiveness for the rest.
 
De Maria, I would not have replied to you because

Because you can’t refute the truth.
your posts were disturbing.
Keep deluding yourself. Jesus is simply saying that He is God and therefore number 1 in our lives. If we choose any creature before Him, we have made our own bed.

But let us contrast to the real hate message:

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

**Sincerely,

De Maria
**
 
If I may jump in on another discussion
One of the questions I struggle with often come from my reading the Gospel (A couple of different translations since we all know how mucky things get with translations…look at all of the different ways the Catholics here interpret and read the Qu’ran, which I’m pretty sure is a translation as opposed to the original Arabic) and I have always asked why if Jesus was God, why was he so very specific to refer to God as a Parental figure. Yes he said “The Father and I are one,” but in a contextual light that becomes rather weak as a statement to his actually being God. Why every other time does he refer to God as Father? Jesus was known for speaking clearly, and plainly. He taugh using parables, but he was still pretty clear and simple in speach. Why is God still Father? If he is God, why the entire incident in the garden, begging God to take the cup from him? It’s a question I struggle with in my own faith, and don’t expect the answers to be found here on an internet forum.
The understanding of the Trinity is beyond humans. See, Jesus is eternaly the Son and he is God. The two are not separate. God the Father is Father eternally. The Holy Spirit is God as well. They are one in essence, but separate. Jesus did pray that the cup pass, but we must understand that Jesus was true God and True Man. Who would want what was to come to him? He ended the prayer with “not my will but yours be done.” I do not understand the Trinity, but I accept it on faith and I love it.
Oh and Mary was Betrothed to Joseph before Gabriel came and spoke to her, right? The point I was trying to make was that Mary was already lined up to be a typical wife at the time of the immaculate conception, and I was taught in CCD that she may have been around 13 years old. So Aisha Binti Bakr being 9 at her Nikkah, and 11 when she acctually consummated her marriage wasn’t really abnormal in light of times.
You are correct that she was betrothed before Gabriel came. What is off in your understanding is what the Immaculate Conception is. The Immaculate Conception is when she was concieved by her mother, St. Anne. The Conception of Christ is celebrated in March, while the Immaculate Conception is in December. She was not betrothed at the time of her own conception. Now, what you have posted concerning Aisha is different from other posts on this site and others. I have seen many Muslims claim that she was 6 when they married and 9 at the age of consummation. Can you shed a little light on the ages that you listed? I do agree that 13 was not uncommon, and 11 may have been somewhat normal, but 9?
We can’t understand fully God’s plan or will. We can only do our best, and beg forgiveness for the rest.
I agree. Great point 🙂
 
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