Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[inJESUS]

Can you provide any proof or at least authenticated reference?

this belief is taken from:

From Bukhari’s Hadith 3.786:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, “Shall we kill her?” He said, “No.” I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah’s Apostle.

Bukhari’s Hadith 5.713:

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

Tabari Volume 8, page 124:

The messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr had come in to visit him - “Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar.”

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… I’m Muslim but for reasons like that, I run sola scriptura with the Quran and Bible only so I’m in no-man’s land there.

You must be a very confused person. The bible is a story about Jesus, the Son of God, dying for our sins. And the Qur’an specifically denies this (see Qur’an 5:17 and Qur’an 4:157).

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You must be a very confused person. The bible is a story about Jesus, the Son of God, dying for our sins. And the Qur’an specifically denies this (see Qur’an 5:17 and Qur’an 4:157).

Jesus sacrificed his life, Jehovah’s Witnesses sacrifice pride when they come to your door, all people who try to deliver you from sin make sacrifices. The Quran never denies that. It only denies the notion that Jesus was a human sacrifice, and it denies that someone else can be die to pay for your sins. You still have to repent of your own sins, you can’t just have an attitude like “I believe in Jesus lalala think I’ll go kill someone today and I’ll be saved anyway.” If you don’t repent you don’t get saved.

Jesus died so he could be in the position of High Priest and make atonement for all people, God gave him that power because he was obedient to his death. It’s more complicated than someone just offering to die instead of you, or a human sacrifice.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Jesus sacrificed his life, Jehovah’s Witnesses sacrifice pride when they come to your door, all people who try to deliver you from sin make sacrifices. The Quran never denies that. It only denies the notion that Jesus was a human sacrifice, and it denies that someone else can be die to pay for your sins. You still have to repent of your own sins, you can’t just have an attitude like “I believe in Jesus lalala think I’ll go kill someone today and I’ll be saved anyway.” If you don’t repent you don’t get saved.

Jesus died so he could be in the position of High Priest and make atonement for all people, God gave him that power because he was obedient to his death. It’s more complicated than someone just offering to die instead of you, or a human sacrifice.

empahsis mine]
I think I was right the first time; You are a confused person.

But I do appreciate your effort to unite Christianity and Islam. I just wish I could help.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

empahsis mine]
I think I was right the first time; You are a confused person.

But I do appreciate your effort to unite Christianity and Islam. I just wish I could help.

Idea being, that Jesus died doesn’t relieve anyone of the responsibility to still repent of their own sins, it just reinforces the NT.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

And even if you have faith but don’t repent of evil, you still won’t be saved.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So the Quran just agrees, no one can be a whipping boy for you.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Idea being, that Jesus died doesn’t relieve anyone of the responsibility to still repent of their own sins, it just reinforces the NT.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

And even if you have faith but don’t repent of evil, you still won’t be saved.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So the Quran just agrees, no one can be a whipping boy for you.

The Catholic Church has been teaching this all along. I’m glad that the Qur’an agrees with it. I don’t see why Muhammad wants us to be muslims.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

The Catholic Church has been teaching this all along. I’m glad that the Qur’an agrees with it. I don’t see why Muhammad wants us to be muslims.

Mohammed was sent mainly as a check against Christians because they won’t give up their idols. Like the Santa Claus deity they teach children to believe in, an immortal pagan God with magical powers: he see you when you’re sleeping, knows when you’re awake, so you better be good because he has the power of judgment over you. In REAL Christianity that’s called a False Christ, something that is said to have powers like Jesus but is not of God.

So with the Muslims, you reap what you sow. The more idolatry there is, the more they will attack. That’s not why they think they do it, but God uses them to punish wrongdoers. Just like God has used Christians to punish Jews for their rejection of Jesus. And Jews punished Gentile idolaters under Moses and Joshua too, and they may do it again as they continue to rise from helplessness among the nations. All three religions interact to discipline and refine each other in different ways, that’s God’s plan.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Mohammed was sent mainly as a check against Christians because they won’t give up their idols. Like the Santa Claus deity they teach children to believe in, an immortal pagan God with magical powers: he see you when you’re sleeping, knows when you’re awake, so you better be good because he has the power of judgment over you. In REAL Christianity that’s called a False Christ, something that is said to have powers like Jesus but is not of God.

So with the Muslims, you reap what you sow. The more idolatry there is, the more they will attack. That’s not why they think they do it, but God uses them to punish wrongdoers. Just like God has used Christians to punish Jews for their rejection of Jesus. And Jews punished Gentile idolaters under Moses and Joshua too, and they may do it again as they continue to rise from helplessness among the nations. All three religions interact to discipline and refine each other in different ways, that’s God’s plan.

emphasis mine]
No, that’s not Gods’ plan. That’s just your personal conclusion. God usually reveals His plans via prophecy or miracles; And I have never seen any prophecy to support your conclusion.

P.S. I hope you’re not suggesting that we give up one of our happiest days for our children. There are plenty of fairy-tales that are used to teach our children lessons and values; I hope you won’t suggest that we should give up fairy-tales. And so, we shouldn’t give up Santa Claus either.

Oh, and by the way, God has never used Christians to punish Jews. Any such historical event is blasphemy.

 

[hosemonkey]

BTW, who proposed that muhammad is/was the greatest? Unless that you believe that a thieving, caravan-robbing child molester who preached a religion of murder was the greatest. Sorry to bust your bubble.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

BTW, who proposed that muhammad is/was the greatest? Unless that you believe that a thieving, caravan-robbing child molester who preached a religion of murder was the greatest. Sorry to bust your bubble.

Whilst I have no doubts that Islam is a religion that exploits the violence within us, I also have no doubts that your post will not inspire muslims but rather make them defensive. I think the average muslim, like any other human being, would rather be true to their parents (and their parent’s religion) than to be challenged by a rant (whether true or not) like that.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

emphasis mine]
No, that’s not Gods’ plan. That’s just your personal conclusion. God usually reveals His plans via prophecy or miracles; And I have never seen any prophecy to support your conclusion.

P.S. I hope you’re not suggesting that we give up one of our happiest days for our children. There are plenty of fairy-tales that are used to teach our children lessons and values; I hope you won’t suggest that we should give up fairy-tales. And so, we shouldn’t give up Santa Claus either.

Oh, and by the way, God has never used Christians to punish Jews. Any such historical event is blasphemy.

What’s wrong with teaching children the Bible regarding good behavior and heaven and hell, rather than making them believe fairy tales for maybe the first ten years of their lives, then them finding out it’s a lie? That only conditions them to believe maybe everything you taught them about God is a lie too. Plus children actually pray to Santa for gifts so that’s clear idolatry. It is what it is, a lie of idolatry and paganism, nothing more.

Jews represent Clay, the seed of men:

Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Great Gentile powers are the Beast of Revelation, mingled with the seed of man, Jews:

Jeremiah 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

And they are also represented by Iron, bruising the clay it is mingled with:

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

And as Christianity and Islam are also the religions where Jesus is accepted and mingled with their mother Judaism, they are used by Jesus to punish Jews, represented by Clay, who reject him:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Just as other Gentile nations Jews were mingled them were used to punish them:

Ezekiel 23:25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.

Ezekiel 23:28 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:

Ezekiel 23:29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

Ezekiel 23:30 I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Kindly quote from Quran.

Thanks

Dear Paar,

I found it in the Hadits Shahih Muslim #127, and relate that Hadits to Quran 95 At Tiin: 8 (I wish I made the quotation correctly). The Hadits mentioned that Isa will be the Righteous Judge. The Quran said “Alaisa Allahu bi’ahkami al-hakimina” (Is it not that Allah is the most righteous judge?). That should also prove the deity of Isa.

 

[swariffin]

What’s wrong with teaching children the Bible regarding good behavior and heaven and hell, rather than making them believe fairy tales for maybe the first ten years of their lives, then them finding out it’s a lie? That only conditions them to believe maybe everything you taught them about God is a lie too. Plus children actually pray to Santa for gifts so that’s clear idolatry. It is what it is, a lie of idolatry and paganism, nothing more.

.

Dear FoA,

It will depends on what culture you are from. Even Jesus used parables. I know parables are not the same as fairy tales, but the purpose is the same. Psycologically, teaching what is wrong or right, and heaven or hell in direct language to children, especially the modern children, may goes from the left ear and evaporates from the right ear. For children, it will make more sense and being remembered if we can teach them in fairy tales. That is what santa claus is all about. The Catholic Church (even any Protestant denominations) never take santa clause in the official teaching, but do use santa clauses figures every chrismas for children gatherings. It never been meant that any Christian Church whatever the denomination is, believe that Santa Clause in one of the holy being. Even the life of St. Nicholas was not close to what people/children perceive about Santa Clause.

BTW FoA, based on what you have said in your postings, can I conclude that you do not think that Muhammad is the greatest? Please correct me if I am wrong. Do you have any reference to something just like Paarsurrey has, to help me understand your religion better? I am glad that you join this forum FoA.

 

[planten]

Dear FoA,

It will depends on what culture you are from. Even Jesus used parables. I know parables are not the same as fairy tales, but the purpose is the same. Psycologically, teaching what is wrong or right, and heaven or hell in direct language to children, especially the modern children, may goes from the left ear and evaporates from the right ear. For children, it will make more sense and being remembered if we can teach them in fairy tales. That is what santa claus is all about. The Catholic Church (even any Protestant denominations) never take santa clause in the official teaching, but do use santa clauses figures every chrismas for children gatherings. It never been meant that any Christian Church whatever the denomination is, believe that Santa Clause in one of the holy being. Even the life of St. Nicholas was not close to what people/children perceive about Santa Clause.

** It seems that the christians cannot believe in any unseen thing, unseen god etc. That is why they have the santa from the very beginning so that their children become used to seeing and believing. Even though there may not be any harm in that but it is not at all necessary. It will only misguide the children. Likewise with the fairies and giants which do not exist.

The christians had to bring their god down to earth in human form. It is all a link in the same chain. Muslims do not believe in any such thing. They try to understand their God (Allah) from His attributes which are well described in the Quran. We don’t need to see the God who is a spirit.**

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Dear FoA,

BTW FoA, based on what you have said in your postings, can I conclude that you do not think that Muhammad is the greatest? Please correct me if I am wrong. Do you have any reference to something just like Paarsurrey has, to help me understand your religion better? I am glad that you join this forum FoA.

Each prophet is great for different things, Noah for saving humanity, Abraham for initiating Israel, Mohammed for bringing the Quran. But Jesus is top of the rung of all humanity as Messiah, since he’s king of the world and God’s mediator. The Quran just warns not to make idols of any of them, as Christians have done with Jesus and Muslims have done with Mohammed, and worship God alone.

 

[swariffin]

** **It seems that the christians cannot believe in any unseen thing, unseen god ****etc. That is why they have the santa from the very beginning so that their children become used to seeing and believing. Even though there may not be any harm in that but it is not at all necessary. It will only misguide the children. Likewise with the fairies and giants which do not exist.

The christians had to bring their god down to earth in human form. It is all a link in the same chain. Muslims do not believe in any such thing. They try to understand their God (Allah) from His attributes which are well described in the Quran. We don’t need to see the God who is a spirit.

Dear Planten,

The Christian believe that God is unseen, we believe in God’s angels who are also unseen. We do have our way to educate our children, and you are welcome to have another way. Our children in the future who will prove which education is better. I am not saying mine or yours is better or worse. Let us see our children in the future. Who knows that both of our ways are correct.

 

[swariffin]

Each prophet is great for different things, Noah for saving humanity, Abraham for initiating Israel, Mohammed for bringing the Quran. But Jesus is top of the rung of all humanity as Messiah, since he’s king of the world and God’s mediator. The Quran just warns not to make idols of any of them, as Christians have done with Jesus and Muslims have done with Mohammed, and worship God alone.

Dear FoA,

The bible (John 1:1-14) says without mentioning the name that the word of God which is God became human. The Christian recognized it to be Jesus as Jesus himself said it many times (InJesus, DeMaria, and other brought them in other thread). You call it an idol.

Then, you mentioned that Quran warns not to make idols… as Muslims have done with Muhammad. So, you call that an idol too.

My untrained theology brain cannot follow you. So, what does it means of worshipping God according to you. But anyway, it is off-topic. You should bring it up in a new thread.

 

[hamba2han]

Each prophet is great for different things, Noah for saving humanity, Abraham for initiating Israel, Mohammed for bringing the Quran. But Jesus is top of the rung of all humanity as Messiah, since he’s king of the world and God’s mediator. The Quran just warns not to make idols of any of them, as Christians have done with Jesus and Muslims have done with Mohammed, and worship God alone.

A king needs laws in order to rule his kingdom.

I’m curious to know what laws do you think that Jesus (pbuh) will use to rule the world when he comes back to it from the heavens?

The reason I ask is because I believe that it is only the Sharia which is both universal and comprehensive enough to rule over the entire planet.

Is Jesus (pbuh) going to apply the Sharia or is he coming back with a different set of divine laws in order for him to effectively rule over all of humanity?

 

[Selene]

A king needs laws in order to rule his kingdom.

I’m curious to know what laws do you think that Jesus (pbuh) will use to rule the world when he comes back to it from the heavens?

The reason I ask is because I believe that it is only the Sharia which is both universal and comprehensive enough to rule over the entire planet.

Is Jesus (pbuh) going to apply the Sharia or is he coming back with a different set of divine laws in order for him to effectively rule over all of humanity?

Jesus will not apply Sharia law in his kingdom. He has always taught love and forgiveness, and that is the law he set down for us - to love God and to love your neighbors including your enemies. The law of love is very powerful.

 

[JeanneH]

In Deuteronomny, we have the words of Moses (pbuh) who reports that God told him that He would raise up a prophet from AMONG THE BROTHERS OF THE ISRAELITES, like Moses.

"And the Lord said onto me, they have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." … (Deuteronomy 18:17-18)

And so then, from what you have written, how exactly is Jesus (pbuh) the promised “Prophet like unto Moses”?

I have seen (pbuh) quite a lot. Can you please tell me what these letters stand for? thank You
JeanneH