Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[FaithofAbraham]

I saw a programme on Tv which said Human meat and Pig meat is similar and that a pig heart can be transplanted into a human…

Maybe there is some connection on why the ewish and Muslim God bans Pork

Jesus sent demons into pigs so I’m sure there’s a connection there too.

 

[Booklover]

Jesus sent demons into pigs so I’m sure there’s a connection there too.

He sent demons into pigs to save a human soul!

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

The Quran almost exactly mirrors Acts for Gentiles, no blood, meat sacrificed to idols, dead animals you find. Maybe pork is in the Quran and not in Acts if swine were commonly sacrificed to idols, as with Antiochus.

only swines were sacrificed?

Or maybe pork is supposed to be in Acts too and it was left out,

 

[FaithofAbraham]

only swines were sacrificed?

surely not if all food is clean.

Muslims are gentiles. gentiles are not bound to circumcision, sabbath observance or dietary law yet Muhammad picked circumcision, said nothing of the sabbath, and picked food forbidden in the Mosaic law such as rabbits and camels…what is the theological reason behing picking things and rejecting things if either you are a Jew who follows all the law or a gentile who neither follows the dietary law nor circumcision?

I don’t know why pork is forbidden other than what I said. But the Quran says you are still allowed to eat it if necessary.

There is no command in the Quran for rabbits, camels, and circumcision as far as I know.

 

[inJESUS]

me too i tried to find an answer but all i got is “because Allah said so”. if you say gentiles are not bound to dietary Law so why are you, even worse picking and choosing? the usual answer is the mantra corruption as usual or “Paul’s fault”.

As far as i know, there is no theological argument as to the prohibitions in Quran after it was allowed to gentiles in NT.

But the Quran says you are still allowed to eat it if necessary.

yes

There is no command in the Quran for rabbits, camels, and circumcision as far as I know

maybe these are in the tradition, i dont remember as well…

 

[FaithofAbraham]

me too i tried to find an answer but all i got is “because Allah said so”. if you say gentiles are not bound to dietary Law so why are you, even worse picking and choosing? the usual answer is the mantra corruption as usual or “Paul’s fault”

I’ve pointed out prohibitions in Acts and said Gentiles are bound to those. Here is what I derive from all of this. You need to kill your animals and eat them cooked completely with no blood. You aren’t supposed to eat animals sacrificed to idols, animals that are still alive, animals you find lying around dead, and animals that eat other animals. Swine eat animals, so there you go.

 

[zerinus]

I don’t know why pork is forbidden other than what I said. But the Quran says you are still allowed to eat it if necessary.

There is no command in the Quran for rabbits, camels, and circumcision as far as I know.

The Koran says that “What we have made lawful for them (meaning for the Jews) we have made awful for you,” or words to that effect. That means that all the dietery laws of the Jews are binding on the Moslems.

zerinus

 

[De_Maria]

I’ve pointed out prohibitions in Acts and said Gentiles are bound to those. Here is what I derive from all of this. You need to kill your animals and eat them cooked completely with no blood. You aren’t supposed to eat animals sacrificed to idols, animals that are still alive, animals you find lying around dead, and animals that eat other animals. Swine eat animals, so there you go.

LOL! Pretty funny. You sound very smug as though you’ve now discovered something which we must believe. But you haven’t.

No matter what the Quran says, we are not people of the Book. We are people of the Word of God which is interpreted by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has interpreted that all is permitted. Blood and pork meat are permitted to be eaten.

**582 **Going even further, Jesus perfects the dietary law, so important in Jewish daily life, by revealing its pedagogical meaning through a divine interpretation: "Whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him. . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.). . . What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts. . ."346 In presenting with divine authority the definitive interpretation of the Law, Jesus found himself confronted by certain teachers of the Law who did not accept his interpretation of the Law, guaranteed though it was by the divine signs that accompanied it.347 This was the case especially with the sabbath laws, for he recalls, often with rabbinical arguments, that the sabbath rest is not violated by serving God and neighbor,348 which his own healings did.
This seems very hard for Muslims to understand. They focus on a literal comparison between verses in the Quran and verses in the Bible. Lacking that, they interpret the Bible with their own faculties leaving out the influence of the Church and Christian culture for the millenia. But the fact is, when you are talking to Catholics, we are giving the Church Teaching which corresponds to the Bible verse. Not individual interpretation.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[FaithofAbraham]

The Koran says that “What we have made lawful for them (meaning for the Jews) we have made awful for you,” or words to that effect. That means that all the dietery laws of the Jews are binding on the Moslems.

zerinus

It’s only to do with Jews who deny Jesus and they are forbidden good things, which means they have to observe Torah perfectly because they have no more Temple or ability to make atonement for sins there. And as a result most if not all will face a painful doom.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

LOL! Pretty funny. You sound very smug as though you’ve now discovered something which we must believe. But you haven’t.

No matter what the Quran says, we are not people of the Book. We are people of the Word of God which is interpreted by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has interpreted that all is permitted. Blood and pork meat are permitted to be eaten.

Then the Church claims greater authority than the Holy Spirit who deemed it necessary to avoid blood. That’s on you guys I guess.

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Acts 15:29 **That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, **and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

 

[Selene]

Hi

I think the Catholics should no eat pork, it is not only prophibited in the last canon LawofMuhammad but it was also prophibited in the LawofMoses which even JesusYeshuaIssa believed in, rather followed it and preached it as commanded by GodAllahYHWH.

The point I was trying to make was that Jesus was not referring to the food law when he said, “I have come not to abolish the law and the prophets, but to fulfill it.” Eating pork or not eating pork is not going to determine whether you get into God’s kingdom or not. Therefore, it should not matter whether one eats pork or not. Personally, I don’t eat pork, but not because it’s in the Old Testament. I don’t eat pork simply because I don’t like pork.

Hi

I would like to submit with humbleness that if this is the only argument of proving greatness of Jesus on Muhammad with the Catholics, then as I understand it never happened.

Actually, it DID happened. The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the main foundation of the Christion faith. There were many witnesses to Jesus’ death and resurrection. Many saw him die on the cross, and that was recorded. Many saw him resurrected, and that was also recorded. Even St. Paul saw the resurrected Christ and converted. St. Paul was a persecuter of Christians. He killed many Christians. The fact that he became a Christian himself after he saw the risen Christ is a miracle in itself.

I understand in your Qur’an, it says that Allah changed the likeness of someone into Jesus’ likeness so that the Jews believe that they were crucifying Jesus, when in fact it was not Jesus they were crucifying. This did not happen. Why? Because Allah (who is supposed to be God) resorted to sin. Deceit is a sin, and to deceive a people by changing the likeness of someone into somebody else is deceit. It is a sin. Furthermore, changing the face of that person to look like Jesus so that the people would kill him is murder. Not only is it deceit, but Allah had an innocent man killed in the place of Jesus. God does not sin. Yes, He punishes the wicked, but He does not punish an innocent. And He does not resort to deceit, which is a sin.

 

[zerinus]

Jesus sacrificed his life, Jehovah’s Witnesses sacrifice pride when they come to your door, all people who try to deliver you from sin make sacrifices. The Quran never denies that. It only denies the notion that Jesus was a human sacrifice, and it denies that someone else can be die to pay for your sins. You still have to repent of your own sins, you can’t just have an attitude like “I believe in Jesus lalala think I’ll go kill someone today and I’ll be saved anyway.” If you don’t repent you don’t get saved.

In Christianity, you still have to repent. The difference is that in Christianity, repentance is made possible through the Atonement of Christ. Without the Atonement, no one could be saved, repentance or no repentance. Repentance in fact would not have been possible without the Atonement.

Jesus died so he could be in the position of High Priest and make atonement for all people, God gave him that power because he was obedient to his death. It’s more complicated than someone just offering to die instead of you, or a human sacrifice.

But the Koran says that Jesus was never put to death. How can you believe in the Koran, and still believe that too?

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

It’s only to do with Jews who deny Jesus and they are forbidden good things, which means they have to observe Torah perfectly because they have no more Temple or ability to make atonement for sins there. And as a result most if not all will face a painful doom.

You don’t seem to have understood what I had said.

zerinus

 

[inJESUS]

But the Koran says that Jesus was never put to death. How can you believe in the Koran, and still believe that too?

zerinus

actually he believes that the Quran does not deny the crucifixion, rather it denies that Jesus died *because *of crucifixion. In other words, God took His soul before the point of being killed by crucifixion.

 

[inJESUS]

It’s only to do with Jews who deny Jesus and they are forbidden good things, which means they have to observe Torah perfectly because they have no more Temple or ability to make atonement for sins there. And as a result most if not all will face a painful doom.

But these laws and all other laws were given 1,400 years before the birth of Jesus. How could denying Jesus be the reason for the dietary laws in the Torah?

 

[zerinus]

actually he believes that the Quran does not deny the crucifixion, rather it denies that Jesus died *because *of crucifixion. In other words, God took His soul before the point of being killed by crucifixion.

Thank you. I have skimmed through this thread very quickly, as I don’t have the time to read it very carefully.

zerinus

 

[FaithofAbraham]

But these laws and all other laws were given 1,400 years before the birth of Jesus. How could denying Jesus be the reason for the dietary laws in the Torah?

It doesn’t have to do with dietary laws, it has to do with rejecting Jesus.

Quran 159-161 There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him (JESUS) before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them - Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah’s way, And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people’s wealth by false pretences, We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom.

Malachi spoke of it too.

Malachi 2:3-10 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity. For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

 

[inJESUS]

Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah’s way,
– Sura 4:160



And to those who were Jews We made unlawful all of those who have claws,]* and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones:** this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful. **

1-to speak of the Israelites as “the Jews” is something that only became reality after the return from the exile to Babylon by the tribe of Judah. The Quran should have used Bani Israel

2- not all animals with claws were forbidden

corrections?

 

[De_Maria]

Then the Church claims greater authority than the Holy Spirit

No. The Church is the servant of God which God placed on this earth to explain His Revelation infallibly.

who deemed it necessary to avoid blood. That’s on you guys I guess.

Thank you. It is our Bible written by the Church. It is rare that Muslims recognize that fact.

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Acts 15:29 **That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, **and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

If you understand this Scripture you know that it all pertains to things sacrificed. The blood was usually separated from the flesh in order to sprinkle it on the altar. Even the fornication has to do with the orgies which pagans practiced during their sacrificial rituals.

Now the same Holy Ghost which inspired the St James to make a temporary injunction also inspired the entire Bible. This temporary discipline which St James added in the Council of Jerusalem was in order to avoid the Christians of Jewish descent from being scandalized.

But if we read the entire Scriptures we see that Jesus, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity had already cleansed all food as previously shown. And St. Peter (Acts 10) had also been shown by the Holy Spirit that all foods were cleansed. And after that, St. Paul explains that we must honor other people’s scruples because some may be weak in their faith. But all is cleansed.

1 Corinthians 8 1 Now concerning those things that are sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up; but charity edifieth. 2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he hath not yet known as he ought to know. 3 But if any any love God, the same is known by him. 4 But as for the meats that are sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one.

6 Yet to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 7 But there is not knowledge in every one. For some until this present, with conscience of the idol: eat as a thing sacrificed to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But meat doth not commend us to God.** For neither, if we eat, shall we have the more; nor, if we eat not, shall we have the less. 9 But take heed lest perhaps this your liberty become a stumblingblock to the weak.

**So the Holy Spirit cleansed all food.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[inJESUS]

It doesn’t have to do with dietary laws, it has to do with rejecting Jesus.

that wasn’t Zerinus question.

Quran 159-161 There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him (JESUS) before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them - Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah’s way, And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people’s wealth by false pretences, We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom.