Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

I’m not trying to change the subject, just saying that I don’t pretend Mohammed was a perfect sinless human. I could mention David too who killed Uriah to take his wife. But God still loved him.

You did it again! You changed the subject by bring David into thread.

But since you have mentioned David, I think you should do some research on the parallels between David and Jesus.

 

[planten]

or when He speaks in the craddle (Quran), or when he created birds from clay (Quran). Are these fables too?because they are taken from the same apocrypha you consider fables…

These are symbolic only, not real acts. Please try to understand that Jesus created nothing. He himself was created. Creation is the attribute of God (Allah) only. The birds that Jesus created, where are they now?? They might have got mixed up with other birds.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You did it again! You changed the subject by bring David into thread.

But since you have mentioned David, I think you should do some research on the parallels between David and Jesus.

How are you going to determine if Mohammed was the greatest prophet unless you mention other prophets like Moses and David? I think you are being unreasonable.

 

[Reuben_J]

How are you going to determine if Mohammed was the greatest prophet unless you mention other prophets like Moses and David? I think you are being unreasonable.

There were no prophets after Jesus Christ except for false prophets. No so-called prophets after Jesus Christ could do any better. That’s why in my previous post I said that what Mohammad did was a regression. Mohammad offered something less than Jesus. God does not offer something less in showing his love to mankind.

Even if you put Mohammad at the level of Moses and David, it is still someone much inferior than Jesus. No comparison at all. Jesus was everything a human was except for sin. The rest of the prophets, even Mohammad, sinned. However Mohammad was the worst of all because he did not repent, at least not openly, after sinning.

Then he (Mohammad) came out with the willy-nilly in the Quran that have no bearing whatsoever in determining whether a person can be saved or not. A good example is the useless ritual before performing prayer, as if God cannot look into the hearts of men.

Then it’s the absession with laws. The Quran is still haggling on issues like not eating pork or circumcision which got nothing to do with whether you go to heaven or not. This is because the Quran has nothing really substantial to say. OTOH Jesus teaches about righteousness motivated by love and compassion, a factor that determines whether a person can go to heaven or not.

Whether eating pork is allowed or not, or whether one should circumcise or not, will not determine whether we’ll go to heaven or not. It’s such a waste of time observing something that’s not important.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

There were no prophets after Jesus Christ except for false prophets.

If thee are no more prophets after Jesus who are these?

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

 

[Reuben_J]

Would you like to address the other parts of my previous post?

 

[Reuben_J]

If thee are no more prophets after Jesus who are these?

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

A good try, but sorry, if this is all you got, you have just confirmed what I said. There is no prophets after Jesus that bring messages contradictory to what he had revealed. And Mohammad did that. Contradicting and lying.

Revelation is an apocalyptic book. The author spoke in symbolic language, there is no way you can interpret it with certainty. For every interpretaion you give, others can dispute you in a hundred ways.

Try again.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

A good try, but sorry, if this is all you got, you have just confirmed what I said. There is no prophets after Jesus that bring messages contradictory to what he had revealed. And Mohammad did that. Contradicting and lying.

Revelation is an apocalyptic book. The author spoke in symbolic language, there is no way you can interpret it with certainty. For every interpretaion you give, others can dispute you in a hundred ways.

Try again.

You do not think there are two real prophets that send plagues on the earth to get it to repent before Jesus returns? What do you suppose that refers to?

 

[swariffin]

Dear FoA,

In Rev 11:2 it was mentioned 42 months, Rev 11:3 1.260 days. Those things means 3.5 years. Also mentioned in 1 Kings 17 about Elijah saved a widow in Sarfat in a 3.5 years of drought. Rev 11:9 & 11 mentioned about 3.5 (days not years). These things are all about the number 3.5 which is half of 7 (perfect number in Jewish culture). In relation to Rev 11, that should means that half of the life means evil while the other means victory of God. Rev 11:7 mentioned the beast killed those 2 and people rejoice. But God raised them up. Those 2 messengers are the representative of the messengers of God that was sent by God. Those 2 cannot necessarily be future prophets, but rather the representatives of the past. Mostly about Moses and Elijah or Peter and Paul if the reader of Revelation take a rather recent Messengers in that present time. Remember that in Luke 10:1, Jesus sent his other 70 deciples to go in pairs.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Dear FoA,

In Rev 11:2 it was mentioned 42 months, Rev 11:3 1.260 days. Those things means 3.5 years. Also mentioned in 1 Kings 17 about Elijah saved a widow in Sarfat in a 3.5 years of drought. Rev 11:9 & 11 mentioned about 3.5 (days not years). These things are all about the number 3.5 which is half of 7 (perfect number in Jewish culture). In relation to Rev 11, that should means that half of the life means evil while the other means victory of God. Rev 11:7 mentioned the beast killed those 2 and people rejoice. But God raised them up. Those 2 messengers are the representative of the messengers of God that was sent by God. Those 2 cannot necessarily be future prophets, but rather the representatives of the past. Mostly about Moses and Elijah or Peter and Paul if the reader of Revelation take a rather recent Messengers in that present time. Remember that in Luke 10:1, Jesus sent his other 70 deciples to go in pairs.

What do you suppose the rest of it means if it already happened? Especially about their being resurrected and ascending, and the earthquake?

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

[Booklover]

I’m saying Hadith which links lead to are no proof for me, they are fables like Apocrypha, where Jesus gets angry as a child and kills a playmate, are to Christians.

So in other words you don’t believe anything they state, even though they were written by Muhammad’s own followers? What makes you think they’re not true?

Vickie

 

[planten]

There were no prophets after Jesus Christ except for false prophets. No so-called prophets after Jesus Christ could do any better. That’s why in my previous post I said that what Mohammad did was a regression. Mohammad offered something less than Jesus. God does not offer something less in showing his love to mankind.

Even if you put Mohammad at the level of Moses and David, it is still someone much inferior than Jesus. No comparison at all. Jesus was everything a human was except for sin. The rest of the prophets, even Mohammad, sinned. However Mohammad was the worst of all because he did not repent, at least not openly, after sinning.

Then he (Mohammad) came out with the willy-nilly in the Quran that have no bearing whatsoever in determining whether a person can be saved or not. A good example is the useless ritual before performing prayer, as if God cannot look into the hearts of men.

Then it’s the absession with laws. The Quran is still haggling on issues like not eating pork or circumcision which got nothing to do with whether you go to heaven or not. This is because the Quran has nothing really substantial to say. OTOH Jesus teaches about righteousness motivated by love and compassion, a factor that determines whether a person can go to heaven or not.

Whether eating pork is allowed or not, or whether one should circumcise or not, will not determine whether we’ll go to heaven or not. It’s such a waste of time observing something that’s not important.

**The above post is out of place. Are we to understand that there was no love and there was only circumcision and abstention from pork which was the guidline to heavens in the time of Abraham and Moses and all prophets?? But suddenly, when Jesus was born, the theory turned to love only the right recipe for salvation.

That cannot be true. to call such things (circumcision and abstention from pork etc) as useless rituals is rather a highhanded matter. Nobody will believe it.**

 

[planten]

A good try, but sorry, if this is all you got, you have just confirmed what I said. There is no prophets after Jesus that bring messages contradictory to what he had revealed. And Mohammad did that. Contradicting and lying.

Revelation is an apocalyptic book. The author spoke in symbolic language, there is no way you can interpret it with certainty. For every interpretaion you give, others can dispute you in a hundred ways.

Try again.

** According to Quran, revelation is continued in the present age too. Do you believe that?? I hope not. The revelation given to Moses and Muhammad was of a very special kind. The one given to Jesus was of the kind of all other Israeli prophets (many of them mentioned in the OT) and was not having any explicit new order.

Jesus was nothing more than any other prophet and he was the last Israeli prophet of God. i.e if the Jews admit him as a prophet of God. they do not. but we Muslims do admit that he was a true, last Israeli prophet. After him there were no more prophets in the house of Issac or Jacob. That is the belief of the Muslims, whether it is right or wrong.**

 

[planten]

I hope some intellectual muslim could answer us on this.

Muhammad was born without a father and his mother died soon after he was born.
Jesus had a miraculous birth.

Muhammad committed acts of murder, lying & pedophilia according to the hadeeths of muslim, tabari & bukhari
Jesus had impeccable character.

Muhammad’s sons all died in their infancies, allah did not save them, neither could muhammad.
Jesus healed the sick and resurrected Lazarus from death.

Muhammad was poisoned to death by a slave girl.
Jesus sacrificed Himself on the cross for mankind.

Muhammad says to kill the enemies of allah.
Jesus taught love and healed even the soldier that sought to capture Him.

Jesus (according to even muslims) will one day return from the skies.
Muhammad is today still rotting in Medina.

SO…FOR WHICH OF THESE DO MUSLIMS CALL MUHAMMAD GREATER?

PLUS… SINCE WHEN IS HAVING SEX WITH A BIOLOGICALLY UNDERAGED GIRL OF 9 YEAR OLD FAIL TO QUALIFY AS PEDOPHILIA?

**1. Muhammad had a father who had died before his birth. He had a mother too. he was a man and a good man. So was Jesus, just a man. His matter of father/ no human father is doubtful. People are discussing it. There was nothing miraculous in the birth of jesus. Jesus was born in a very poor state.

1. Whether Muhammad committed murders or not should not be construed from the books of Hadith. One should see the Quran. Hadith is just a story (biography) book like bible written by some people. While the writers of hadith are well known people, the writers of bible are not even known.
2. Muhammad’s sons did not survive. Jesus perhaps had no married life. So he was an incomplete man. He did not bring any dead man to life again.
3. Muhammad was poisened by a Jewess whom he forgave. Jesus died for nothing on the cross. Christians say he was god. I cannot understand how a god can die or how he can be killed by the people around him.
4. Muhammad told to kill the enemies of truth and love and enemies of the people. Jesus could not do anything at all except talk a little and go away. No one knows where is he now, for the last two thousand years. People are waiting for him hopelessly and there is no message from him, not a word.
   My this reply is addressed to Jesusisnotgod and nobody else please take any notice of my reply. Thanks.
   **

 

[Booklover]

The above post is out of place. Are we to understand that there was no love and there was only circumcision and abstention from pork which was the guidline to heavens in the time of Abraham and Moses and all prophets?? But suddenly, when Jesus was born, the theory turned to love only the right recipe for salvation.

That cannot be true. to call such things (circumcision and abstention from pork etc) as useless rituals is rather a highhanded matter. Nobody will believe it.

Would you please explain how being circumcised or not eating pork make someone a better person???

Vickie

 

[Reuben_J]

You do not think there are two real prophets that send plagues on the earth to get it to repent before Jesus returns? What do you suppose that refers to?

You can never be too certain with Revelation, because as being mentioned, it is an apocalyptic book. Its purpose is mainly to encourage Christian to resist staunchly the demands of emperors worship. That the showdown between God and Satan is eminent. Satan will increase his persecution of believers, but they must stand fast, even to death. They will be sealed against any spiritual harm and will soon be vindicated when Christ returns, when the wicked are forever destroyed, and when God’s people enter an eternity of glory and blessedness.

The verses you quoted are generally understood about witnesses model after Moses and Elijah testifying in the final period before Christ returns.

However this exclude Mohammad as Mohammad already mentioned that Jesus did not die on the cross. Jesus definitely affirmed his death on the cross in the following verses.

Also, any other prophets were not necessary as now he sent the disciples with the power of the Holy Spirit to be his witnesses.

**Lk 24
46He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

Act1
6So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. **

Moreover, this episode was after the resurrection, further confirming the contradiction of Mohammad’s version when he said that Jesus did not die.

 

[Reuben_J]

**The above post is out of place. Are we to understand that there was no love and there was only circumcision and abstention from pork which was the guidline to heavens in the time of Abraham and Moses and all prophets?? But suddenly, when Jesus was born, the theory turned to love only the right recipe for salvation.

That cannot be true. to call such things (circumcision and abstention from pork etc) as useless rituals is rather a highhanded matter. Nobody will believe it.**

Yes it is useless ritual. What is important is the sincerity of your heart, not how you wash your hands or feet before prayer.

Abstaining from pork or circumcision will not make you a better person and therefore do not guarantee heaven for you. It is meaningless activities as far as being righteous is concerned.

These are Mosaic laws. They are not able to overcome sin. They could point out, condemn and even stimulate sin, but they could not remove it.

The meaning is not that Christians have been freed from all moral authority. They have, however, been freed from the law in the manner in which God’s people were under the law in the OT era.

Law provide no enablement to resist the power of sin; it only condemn the sinner. But grace enables.

That’s why Jesus matters and his death matters, because it is a grace that enables us to be free from sin.

 

[inJESUS]

I think some Apocrypha not in the Bible might have truths. Jude seems to speak of Enoch, for one. But most Christians don’t accept them as gospel, I don’t think.

exactly the answer i expected. The same uninspired and full of fable apocrypha will suddenly have eternal truth because if the Quran mentions them, then they are absurd no more, even if they resemble the other fables…they become “revelations”.

 

[inJESUS]

These are symbolic only, not real acts.

the point being made is that these sentences are found in fable Christian books, yet Muhammad presents them as the word of God.

Please try to understand that Jesus created nothing.

 

[inJESUS]

If thee are no more prophets after Jesus who are these?.

actually there were prophets after Jesus. Read Acts. Prophets after Jesus will be sent **by **Jesus and confirm what Jesus taught. Not prophets who will bring different gospels and who are not sent by Jesus.