Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[Booklover]

2. Whether Muhammad committed murders or not should not be construed from the books of Hadith. One should see the Quran. Hadith is just a story (biography) book like bible written by some people. While the writers of hadith are well known people, the writers of bible are not even known.

What a contradictory bunch you Muslims are! You’re always bringing up the bit about writers of the Bible not being known, but you won’t even accept the writings of what you call well known Islamic writers! Could that be because what they wrote is not compatible with what you’ve been led to believe about Muhammad?

Vickie

 

[FaithofAbraham]

So in other words you don’t believe anything they state, even though they were written by Muhammad’s own followers? What makes you think they’re not true?

Vickie

Hadith may contain some truths but they are like apocrypha or the Talmud, a lot of it just Muslims sitting around speculating about ideas in the Quran.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

You can never be too certain with Revelation, because as being mentioned, it is an apocalyptic book. Its purpose is mainly to encourage Christian to resist staunchly the demands of emperors worship. That the showdown between God and Satan is eminent. Satan will increase his persecution of believers, but they must stand fast, even to death. They will be sealed against any spiritual harm and will soon be vindicated when Christ returns, when the wicked are forever destroyed, and when God’s people enter an eternity of glory and blessedness.

The verses you quoted are generally understood about witnesses model after Moses and Elijah testifying in the final period before Christ returns.

However this exclude Mohammad as Mohammad already mentioned that Jesus did not die on the cross. Jesus definitely affirmed his death on the cross in the following verses.

Also, any other prophets were not necessary as now he sent the disciples with the power of the Holy Spirit to be his witnesses.

Moreover, this episode was after the resurrection, further confirming the contradiction of Mohammad’s version when he said that Jesus did not die.

I believe they are Moses and Elijah too, or maybe have their spirits poured on them as Elisha and John the Baptist apparently did.

Do you believe that there can be prophets after Jesus or not, Mohammed aside?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

actually there were prophets after Jesus. Read Acts. Prophets after Jesus will be sent **by **Jesus and confirm what Jesus taught. Not prophets who will bring different gospels and who are not sent by Jesus.

I’ve not seen that Mohammed brings a different Gospel, but one that clarifies the mystery and confusion of how Christians interpret Gospel.

 

[Valke2]

Would you please explain how being circumcised or not eating pork make someone a better person???

Vickie

Following Torah can make someone a better person.

 

[Valke2]

Yes it is useless ritual. What is important is the sincerity of your heart, not how you wash your hands or feet before prayer.

Abstaining from pork or circumcision will not make you a better person and therefore do not guarantee heaven for you. It is meaningless activities as far as being righteous is concerned.

These are Mosaic laws. They are not able to overcome sin. They could point out, condemn and even stimulate sin, but they could not remove it.

The meaning is not that Christians have been freed from all moral authority. They have, however, been freed from the law in the manner in which God’s people were under the law in the OT era.

Law provide no enablement to resist the power of sin; it only condemn the sinner. But grace enables.

That’s why Jesus matters and his death matters, because it is a grace that enables us to be free from sin.

With all respect, to call ritual useless is to place no value on habit. If I have a ritual of giving tzedaka (charity) every day, whether or not I feel like or what the sincerity of my heart is at the moment, am I not making the world a better place and making myself a better person?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

How are you going to determine if Mohammed was the greatest prophet unless you mention other prophets like Moses and David? I think you are being unreasonable.

My apologies. I am trying to keep things in the context of the original thread, which is trying to compare Muhammad and Jesus.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

1. Muhammad had a father who had died before his birth. He had a mother too. he was a man and a good man. So was Jesus, just a man. His matter of father/ no human father is doubtful. People are discussing it. There was nothing miraculous in the birth of jesus. Jesus was born in a very poor state.

There has never been a credible movement in history to deny the virgin birth. Amazingly, it is something that history has always accepted. And I always thought Islam teaches that Jesus was born from a virgin. Furthermore, the virgin birth fulfills prophecy.

2. Whether Muhammad committed murders or not should not be construed from the books of Hadith. One should see the Quran. Hadith is just a story (biography) book like bible written by some people. While the writers of hadith are well known people, the writers of bible are not even known.

I wonder what can be construed from the books of Hadith? I’m not convince that you should be allowed to dismiss these books so easily.

3. Muhammad’s sons did not survive. Jesus perhaps had no married life. So he was an incomplete man. He did not bring any dead man to life again.

blah blah blah… Those poor ole disciples who died for their faith in the risen Jesus; What a waste.

4. Muhammad was poisened by a Jewess whom he forgave. Jesus died for nothing on the cross. Christians say he was god. I cannot understand how a god can die or how he can be killed by the people around him.

Jesus died for our sins. It was foretold and it was fulfilled. You can not understand it because you have dismissed the prophets of the old testament and you have failed to see the fulfillment of their prophecies. And like Abraham and Jesus said, “If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone were to rise from death.” (Lk 16:31)

5. Muhammad told to kill the enemies of truth and love and enemies of the people. Jesus could not do anything at all except talk a little and go away. No one knows where is he now, for the last two thousand years. People are waiting for him hopelessly and there is no message from him, not a word.

Oh, we know where He is. He is seated on the right hand side of the Father. What else would you expect from somebody who walked on water?

My this reply is addressed to Jesusisnotgod and nobody else please take any notice of my reply. Thanks.

Sorry, too late. I’ve already taken notice. Anybody who specifically denies Jesus is either:

1. 
   *]a devil worshipper or
   *]a muslim (Qur’an 5:17, Qur’an 4:157)
   
   And I will take notice and treat both with contempt so that I can stay sharp and differ between the two.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Jesus could not do anything at all except talk a little and go away. No one knows where is he now, for the last two thousand years. People are waiting for him hopelessly and there is no message from him, not a word.

Not a word?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: That one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Hosea 6:2** After Two Days He revives us** and the Third Day He raises us up to live in His sight.

1st century + 2000 years = 2 days = 21st Century

Rev. 20:4 Jesus revives us, first resurrection. Satan bound for 1000 years after that = 1 day.

Hosea 6:2 After Two Days He revives us and the Third Day He raises us up to live in His sight.

1st century + 3000 years = 3 days.

John 2:19 Jesus raises the Temple in 3 days, which is the Temple of his body. Revelation 21 Jesus is the New Jerusalem Temple, The Tabernacle of God is among men, we live in His sight.

The Fig Tree is Jerusalem. Figs are good works of the Jews. Jesus withered the Fig Tree with no fruit. The Temple was destroyed 70 AD. The Fig Tree is restored in Jerusalem and Israel in the 20th century and that is a sign summer is nigh for Jesus to return.

 

[planten]

Would you please explain how being circumcised or not eating pork make someone a better person???

Vickie

** I do not go into details. But if it was good and prescibed in the olden times then it must have had some usefulness. otherwise it would be a silly act of God. i.e circumcision and abstention from pigs meat. Nothing is useless in the OT.

Of course it is not just not eating pork and circumcision that will lead to salvation. It is an order and part of covenant for the children of Abraham forever. So obedience is good and obedience is needed. Not just look at pork and circumcision. You are right that circumcision will not avail any one. But if it was ordered and had some good reason and order was from The God, then it would be meaningless to ridicule that order.

The real base for making any one a good person is not to interfere with the commands of God and not to change them for a low price/comfort.**

 

[planten]

**Further to the above, it means you (christians) are wiser than Jesus and his mother and wiser than all the disciples of Jesus who were circumcised and they never touched the flesh of swine.

Jesus never preached even for a day that you should do away with circumcision and he never told any one to start eating the flesh of swine. So please follow Jesus.**

 

[MelanieAnne]

Muhammad was not the greatest if the subject is “prophet”. There are no prophets after Jesus, so if Muhammad was a prophet, he was a false prophet, something we have been warned against.

To call Jesus a prophet is to diminish His role. Jesus is the Eternal Word (although this thread has demonstrated that many do not understand the term), Jesus is the Messiah. Jesus is God. As such, to describe Him as a prophet is, at best, inadequate.

According to Jesus the foremost prophet was John the Baptist. Any other discussion is contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Jesus didn’t name Moses, David, Noah or any of the other names that have been suggested. He said John the Baptist. It’s hard to see why so many have so much trouble with the Truth.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

**Further to the above, it means you (christians) are wiser than Jesus and his mother and wiser than all the disciples of Jesus who were circumcised and they never touched the flesh of swine.

Jesus never preached even for a day that you should do away with circumcision and he never told any one to start eating the flesh of swine. So please follow Jesus.**

I can understand why you would say that; You don’t believe that we have been given the authority of His church (see Matthew 16:18-19).

 

[swariffin]

What do you suppose the rest of it means if it already happened? Especially about their being resurrected and ascending, and the earthquake?

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Yes Sir,

Look at Rev 8:6 - 13. It is mostly the resemblence of exodus 7:14 - exodus 10:29. Basically what John mentioned in the revelation that there was the misery life about half of our life under the power of sin(evil), but God will not keep silence. God always do something from the past till the future, that the remaining half of human life is within the victory of God. John in the revelation kept on writing about this basic idea 3 times in almost similar ways, but in different descriptions. All of them are in simbolic ways.

 

[Reuben_J]

With all respect, to call ritual useless is to place no value on habit. If I have a ritual of giving tzedaka (charity) every day, whether or not I feel like or what the sincerity of my heart is at the moment, am I not making the world a better place and making myself a better person?

My context was that you do it with a sincere heart. Charity is always a virtue. But if you give with an unwilling heart, that charity has no spiritual value.

But ritual. Do you know the ritual that Muslims do before they pray? I know it is a good thing to be clean and to take prayers seriously, but to be bound by an instruction that you must do it in certain way, and if not, your prayer is not valid, is simply useless. God listens to a sincere and repentant heart, not whether you are doing the correct movement of your hands or feet.

Law condemns a person because if you don’t do according to its requirement, you sin. But if you do, it will not guarantee you righteuosness for heaven.

In Christianity, laws have no value except for moral law. This had been proven by the Pharisees. They were expert teachers of the law and yet their hearts were not sincere. Jesus called people as such, hypocrite.

I agree with good habit though, but to an extent. As long as it does not mean to keep you in a bondage.

 

[Reuben_J]

** I do not go into details. But if it was good and prescibed in the olden times then it must have had some usefulness. otherwise it would be a silly act of God. i.e circumcision and abstention from pigs meat. Nothing is useless in the OT.

Of course it is not just not eating pork and circumcision that will lead to salvation. It is an order and part of covenant for the children of Abraham forever. So obedience is good and obedience is needed. Not just look at pork and circumcision. You are right that circumcision will not avail any one. But if it was ordered and had some good reason and order was from The God, then it would be meaningless to ridicule that order.

The real base for making any one a good person is not to interfere with the commands of God and not to change them for a low price/comfort.**

Laws had its usefulness in the OT. Obedience to God was one reason. The other must be the practicality of the situation at that time.

But you must look at history. God experience with mankind was dynamic; at least this much Muslims agree with. Generally the observance of the laws was for the purpose of setting the people of God aside. That they be different from the others by the laws they kept. The laws were then sealed by the covenants - what the people of God must do in order for them to be His people.

Changes came about by the coming of the person of Jesus. Jesus is not just a set of teachings. It is the person of Jesus that alters the equation. In a nut shell that means the old laws are not required as a sign of God people. The sign of God people now is belief in Jesus death for our sin and love of one another. If you have this, no other laws can overcome it. Love is above all laws. You are known as Jesus disciples by the love you have for one another.

Jesus as a good Jews obeyed the law of the Jews. But when he revealed the most important law, he began to show us that the old ritual laws have lost their usefulness. What does it matter the food that goes into your mouth, if the word that come out of it is wicked? You see, the new law is in the heart of the believers now.

It does not change the essence of obedience. If you don’t obey the commandment of Jesus, you sin.

Again you are sitting on a mistaken premise about changing God’s laws. Jesus IS the law. He is the Lord of the Sabbath. He is higher than just to be bound by the unreasonable demand of strict observance of the Sabbath. What does that mean? It means the law of love is above all laws. It is not humans changing God’s law according to their whim and fancy, but God himself had changed the equation.

Peace.

 

[Reuben_J]

(snip)

SO…FOR WHICH OF THESE DO MUSLIMS CALL MUHAMMAD GREATER?

Ah, as a conclusion, Mohammad never was the greatest nor greater than any of the Christian prophets.

He was mere human, no doubt a smart and a charismatic one, able to rein in the various feuding Arabic tribes.

But as a so-called prophet he did not, I repeat did not, brought anything new that was morally superior and righteous. He did over rule some of the old Mosaic laws, and watered down much of Jesus’ teachings of love and compassion.

He sinned many times over and did not repent for any of them. He succumbed to his human weaknesses, like lust, revenge and lying.

Thus he can never, and never will be the greatest.

The greatest of all is Jesus. No human beings alive or dead or ever been born are greater than him in morality, love and power of the supernatural.

God bless.

Reuben

 

[Valke2]

Law condemns a person because if you don’t do according to its requirement, you sin. But if you do, it will not guarantee you righteuosness for heaven.

I agree with good habit though, but to an extent. As long as it does not mean to keep you in a bondage.

This is a classic christian misunderstanding of the Mitzvot. The law is not there to trigger sin, but to allow one to lead a life that brings God’s glory into this world while making the world a better place and keeping God in the forefront of one’s mind. To suggest that religious ritual is a kind of bondage is to make a suggestion that is quite alien to Judaism, and I would assume, Islam. There is no greater exercise of freedom/free will than choosing to obey God’s commandments. The Jew who tries to live a life within the structure of halacha is exercising free will. He is freely accepting God’s mitzvot.

 

[hamba2han]

It is much better that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself explain his position with regard to the earlier Prophets like Jesus, Moses and Abraham (peace be upon them all).

Abu Huraira reports that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"My position, in relation to the prophets who came before me, can be explained in the following example: ‘A man erected a building and adorned his edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche in the corner, where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche! I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in line of the prophets.’" (Reported by Bukhari and Muslim.)

Therefore, the Message that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) brought is only a continuation of the revelations brought by earlier Prophets and the deen (way of life) of Islam has been completed and is perfect in the eyes of God as told in Surah 5:3 of the Qur’an:

"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

And so then, since the Creator Himself has said that Islam is the perfect religion for all of humankind and He has indeed promised to preserve it till the Last Day when the world comes to an end, then who are the creations to disagree with Him?

 

[inJESUS]

It is much better that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself explain his position with regard to the earlier Prophets like Jesus, Moses and Abraham (peace be upon them all).

Abu Huraira reports that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: