Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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I am almost insulted by this post, FoA…almost. Anyway, Hebrews 5 mentions that Jesus was perfected. He rose from the dead and his Resurected Body is in heaven. The Son cannot be divided into Spirit and Flesh, nor can God be split from Man. Jesus has a perfected body like those who enter into paradise will have.
So you are saying that in Trinity, there is 100% God, 100% Spirit, and 100% Man-God. That still leaves 1/3 of the Trinity being a man of some sort.

Does that sound like monotheism, which is belief in one God, not one God that is part man?
 
So is the title of “Father” and “Son” just a fiction to help one understand different attributes of God?
No. These terms are the ones chosen by God to define himself. This is understood by Christianity. It is part of the Trinity. The Father is the predominant aspect we see in the OT
 
No. These terms are the ones chosen by God to define himself. This is understood by Christianity. It is part of the Trinity. The Father is the predominant aspect we see in the OT
Do you say that since Jesus is not subordinate to Father God but an equal Son God, that Jesus does not worship the Father God?
 
Do you say that since Jesus is not subordinate to Father God but an equal Son God, that Jesus does not worship the Father God?
One God. One God. One God. Jesus the man prayed to God the Father, yes. Jesus is in heaven now. One God. ONe God.
 
One God. One God. One God. Jesus the man prayed to God the Father, yes. Jesus is in heaven now. One God. ONe God.
So if Jesus the man still worships God even now in Heaven, how can Jesus not be subordinate to the God he worships?
 
So if Jesus the man still worships God even now in Heaven, how can Jesus not be subordinate to the God he worships?
One God. One God. Jesus cannot be divided into man and God. He is God. One in substance with the Father.
 
One God. One God. Jesus cannot be divided into man and God. He is God. One in substance with the Father.
Then you are saying Jesus doesn’t worship God, and also that God threw the man part away since God is God, not part man part God.
 
Then you are saying Jesus doesn’t worship God, and also that God threw the man part away since God is God, not part man part God.
Never said that. Please refer to the earlier post where i mention that Jesus has his glorified human form in heaven. Jesus IS God. He is in Heaven BEING worshiped. Jesus is God.
 
Never said that. Please refer to the earlier post where i mention that Jesus has his glorified human form in heaven. Jesus IS God. He is in Heaven BEING worshiped. Jesus is God.
Ok well you said: “Jesus the man prayed to God the Father, yes. Jesus is in heaven now.”

Which along with “BEING worshiped” implies to me that you are saying that Jesus used to pray to Father God, but now he doesn’t.

So are you saying that Jesus does not worship Father God anymore?
 
It’s really very sad to see the result of someone who, while apparently being very spiritual, is at the same time highly resistant to anything that they themselves have not conceived. What’s lacking is actually humility.

To be humble is to be teachable. Someone ‘married’ to their own personal view of things is, by definition, not humble and so they have a difficult (if not impossible!) time accepting any information that conflicts with their own views.

Pray for discernment for those who are searching for the truth.
 
Ok well you said: “Jesus the man prayed to God the Father, yes. Jesus is in heaven now.”

Which along with “BEING worshiped” implies to me that you are saying that Jesus used to pray to Father God, but now he doesn’t.

So are you saying that Jesus does not worship Father God anymore?
Ok, im going to try and explain this the best as i can.
Jesus

Im going to quote a few passages from the bible, and i will give my response at the end. This is from John:

16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” 18For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

19Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. 21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

24"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. 25I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

I think these passages explain pretty well that the Son is part of the Father and Father is part of the Son.
Each is a separate person, yet each of them is, in essence, divine in nature.
It says in the passages, without the father, who is the head of the trinity, cannot do anything without the father, so he prays to the father. This explains why it is 3 in 1, one God, 3 different persons

Here is an explanation of the trinity, and a better understanding to your questions.
trinity
 
So are you saying that Jesus does not worship Father God anymore? Or does Jesus still worship God?

It’s a simple question. :confused:
Did you even read what i put there? the answer is right in front of your eyes if you actually read what i wrote!
You need to understand, they are as one, this is what God wanted to fulfill the scriptures, until you understand that concept, you wont understand anything we say to you
 
Did you even read what i put there? the answer is right in front of your eyes if you actually read what i wrote!
You need to understand, they are as one, this is what God wanted to fulfill the scriptures, until you understand that concept, you wont understand anything we say to you
The word “worship” is nowhere in what you posted, it is a smoke.

Can’t anyone even answer this one little question:
Does Jesus still worship God?
 
Jesus Is God

Assimilate that. Then proceed with whatever questions you have, if any.
 
The word “worship” is nowhere in what you posted, it is a smoke.

Can’t anyone even answer this one little question:
Does Jesus still worship God?
Its not a smoke, its just beyond your comprehension to understand it.
 
Its not a smoke, its just beyond your comprehension to understand it.
Sure it is, blowing smoke to avoid answering the question because you know if you answer yes, Jesus does worship God, it would make him subordinate to God and not quite the equal God he is worshiping.

But if you answer no, Jesus doesn’t worship God, then you may be lying because you really don’t know for sure.

So you are stuck between a rock and a hard place due to your doctrine, all over one little question.
 
Then you are saying Jesus never worshiped God at all because he is God.
I am not saying anything of the kind, nor have I ever done so. Kindly refrain from misquoting me.

I have already prayed for you. I will continue to do so. It may be helpful if you would open up your own heart. I will pray for you to discern the truth.
 
I am not saying anything of the kind, nor have I ever done so.
You aren’t saying anything either way, because you know it’s impossible to answer if you want to maintain validity of your doctrine.

So you shouldn’t wonder why non-Christians don’t want to follow Christians into that tight jam they put themselves in with Trinity.
 
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