Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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abucs said:
To say God is now 1/3 human is absurd, and i think that is why you keep saying it. Because you want it to sound absurd. No Catholic thinks of the trinity as 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3.
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Why not, if Father + Son + Holy Ghost = 3 1/3s of 1 God of the Trinity.
abucs said:
If i go to Heaven i will not be human either.
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If not human will you be a God?

I’m asking if Jesus is still fully man and fully God right now in Heaven.

Have any opinions about that?
 
My answer to that is in my posts and in the catechism of the church and i’m not going to waste any more trime talking to you guys.

May the God of Abraham be with you.
 
abucs said:
My answer to that is in my posts and in the catechism of the church and i’m not going to waste any more trime talking to you guys.

May the God of Abraham be with you.
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When you say “If i go to Heaven i will not be human either” who do you think these men are in this verse? Are you going to be superhuman to these men somehow?

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
What I’m asking is if Jesus is fully man, fully God any longer – right now.

Or is the human part of Jesus we know from Gospels gone now?
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Nothing is “gone” from Jesus. When God became man by the power of the Holy Spirit, taking flesh from Mary’s flesh and blood of Her blood - He didn’t stop being God. It’s called the Hypostasis or hypostatic union. Meaning, two natures in the one person of Jesus Christ. Perfectly Divine and perfectly human - one nature not interferring with the other. One nature not covering or overwhelming the other. Perfect Hypostasis.
Upon His death and resurrection His human body became the “prototype” of what we will become in heaven - that is a glorified body - still the hypostatic union in Him!
Nothing is gone from Jesus. Everything is still thru Him, with Him and in Him in the unity of the Holy Spirit - all glory and honor to the Almighty Father.

So you see, muhammad is not and cannot be “the greatest” because John the Baptist is the Greatest Prophet and Jesus Christ is the Lord and God of All.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
 
mangy_dog said:
Perfectly Divine and perfectly human - one nature not interferring with the other. One nature not covering or overwhelming the other. Perfect Hypostasis.
Upon His death and resurrection His human body became the “prototype” of what we will become in heaven - that is a glorified body - still the hypostatic union in Him!
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If Jesus is still perfectly human in Heaven, does he worship God as a perfect human would do?

Since as you say being God shouldn’t interfere with his humanly duties to God, as a perfect human.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
If Jesus is still perfectly human in Heaven, does he worship God as a perfect human would do?

Since as you say being God shouldn’t interfere with his humanly duties to God, as a perfect human.
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This is my guess based on the Book of Revelation. Jesus is worshiped in Heaven as he is God. He does not worship himself and we do not see him worshipping with the other humans.

I think that you are still caught on the Trinity being three parts. While these three Divine Persons may have different roles in Salvation, they are still unified in substance. In Heaven, God is God. How he manifests himself is not known or understood. We may see the three Persons, we may not. Either way, God is God. Jesus is God. Once we are in heaven, God willing we all make it, we will understand these things.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
If Jesus is still perfectly human in Heaven, does he worship God as a perfect human would do?

Since as you say being God shouldn’t interfere with his humanly duties to God, as a perfect human.
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Jesus Christ is - One in Being with the Father, in the Unity of the Holy Spirit, One God, Three Persons, Two natures in the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity. There is Perfect Love and Harmony in the Triunicity of the Divine Godhead.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
If Jesus is still perfectly human in Heaven, does he worship God as a perfect human would do?

Since as you say being God shouldn’t interfere with his humanly duties to God, as a perfect human.
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The Son (Jesus Christ, in case you forgot who that is) has Always glorified the Father and the Father gloifies the Son. It has always been like this. In aeternum et in saecula saeculorum.
 
ralphinal said:
This is my guess based on the Book of Revelation. Jesus is worshiped in Heaven as he is God. He does not worship himself and we do not see him worshipping with the other humans.
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Though there is this verse:

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

So it seems Jesus still has a God, other than himself, in Heaven.
 
mangy_dog said:
The Son (Jesus Christ, in case you forgot who that is) has Always glorified the Father and the Father gloifies the Son. It has always been like this. In aeternum et in saecula saeculorum.
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But did Jesus ever worship the Father as his (Jesus’) God?

And likewise, did the Father ever worship Jesus as His (the Father’s) God?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Though there is this verse:

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

So it seems Jesus still has a God, other than himself, in Heaven.
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Jesus is One in Being with the Father and the Holy Spirit - but He is not the Father nor is he the Holy Spirit. The Father is One in Being with the Son and the Holy Spirit but He is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is One in Being with the Father and the Son but He is not the Father nor the Son.

Yet…God is One.

Don’t try to wrap your mind around it - it’s a mystery. You, I everyone on this earth is human. We cannot break it down like disassembling a pen.
Your thread is a feeble attempt at disassembling the Godhead and the mystery of the Trinity. It is feeble at best.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Though there is this verse:

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

So it seems Jesus still has a God, other than himself, in Heaven.
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Please read the entire chapter on that one. Jesus is telling one of the seven Churches about the reward should they stay free from sin. He is differentiating those who claim to be Jews and those who are truely faithful. Taken in context with the rest of the book, and you have to do that, it is a message of hope. Now, as far as the actual wording goes, the phrase “my God” is not that probelmatic. Jesus always refered to the Father as his God. I do not see any conflict. Now, before you say that I am ignoring it or dismissing it, please read 3:21 where he speaks of sitting by his father on the throne. I would take the temple comment to mean the Father, not another God.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
“By what logic can we assume that because God took a human body (yet remained God), this human body becomes a “lesser god” when it is God Himself in flesh?”

It’s your own logic?
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you did not answer my question. God Himself in a human form. Is the human form God or not ?
 
mangy_dog said:
Don’t try to wrap your mind around it - it’s a mystery. You, I everyone on this earth is human. We cannot break it down like disassembling a pen.
Your thread is a feeble attempt at disassembling the Godhead and the mystery of the Trinity. It is feeble at best.
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The only mystery is what man created of it.
 
ralphinal said:
Please read the entire chapter on that one. Jesus is telling one of the seven Churches about the reward should they stay free from sin. He is differentiating those who claim to be Jews and those who are truely faithful. Taken in context with the rest of the book, and you have to do that, it is a message of hope. Now, as far as the actual wording goes, the phrase “my God” is not that probelmatic. Jesus always refered to the Father as his God. I do not see any conflict. Now, before you say that I am ignoring it or dismissing it, please read 3:21 where he speaks of sitting by his father on the throne. I would take the temple comment to mean the Father, not another God.
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But if Jesus has a God, and you say he is a God, then there is a problem with Trinity as Arianism because there is a God who has a God above him. Which is what I’ve said all along and why, even forgetting about everything else, I couldn’t ever accept it because it’s not monotheism.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
He prayed up to the Father because he didn’t have the power that the Father God does.
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**whatever **the Father does the Son also does.

All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

I am the Alpha and Omega, The Resurrection and Life, the Creator. Do you assume that if God takes a human flesh, He will not eat, sleep, feel joy and pain and anxiety?The human flesh eats, the human flesh laughs, the human flesh sleeps, the human flesh feels joy and anxiety and pain …yet this human flesh is God. Taking a second nature and living it does not make the Word a lesser god, it makes the Word both God and man with all the power/attributes of God and attributes of man.God sends His Word to do as He wills, and He wills a human flesh who feels, eats, sleeps, talks to the Father, talks to humans, preaches, enlightenes, gives hope, save …

First you understand that the Word took a human flesh, not the opposite. Then you understand that a second nature does not annihilate the first nature…then you understand the relationship between these 2 nature with regards to the Father : His essence, in addition to a human nature to do the will of the Father.
He can do nothing of himself, he depends on God for judgment, good will, and everything else.
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"I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do **only **what he sees his Father doing, because **whatever **the Father does the Son also does.

The Word can do nothing if the Father is not doing it because the Father and Word are One.
Given that, how do you say Jesus is equal to the Father in power, and not a lesser God?
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how do you assume, that because God takes a human flesh, He is no more God but a lesser god?
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