Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

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inJESUS said:
you did not answer my question. God Himself in a human form. Is the human form God or not ?
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I am at this time answering your question: The human form is human taken by God the Son. Hypostasis.

Now…there’s the matter of my question to you: Do you glorify Allah?
 
inJESUS said:
can you show me in what way Jesus worshipped the Father? like " forgive my sins ? take me to heaven? You quoted that He prayed, do you know what He was saying?
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Here it says Jesus was begging God to spare his life:

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
 
mangy_dog said:
I am at this time answering your question: The human form is human taken by God the Son. Hypostasis.

Now…there’s the matter of my question to you: Do you glorify Allah?
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I answered:

Sure I worship God, give glory to Him.

If you want me to say “Allah” specifically I don’t call God that or speak with Arab lingo to sound more Muslim. I wouldn’t speak with Jewish lingo like “Hashem” or “G-d” or “Yeshua” to sound more Jewish either, if I was a Jew.

I’m from California, God is just God to me.

Note: sorry if that wasn’t to me, I assumed it was.
 
inJESUS said:
God HIMSELF in a human body is no more God but a creature? please enlighten us all about this find.
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No God is still God, He just works through prophets, saints, etc. With Jesus, God works through him with full power, but Jesus is still a man serving God, praying to Him, asking Him for help, etc. as I’ve shown.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Here it says Jesus was begging God to spare his life:

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
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we all know Jesus cried to the Father and talked to Him, and the Father talked to Him in front of people…but i am asking you to show how He worshipped the Father. I asked about Jesus worshipping. Can you quote to me how Jesus worships God?
 
inJESUS said:
we all know Jesus cried to the Father and talked to Him, and the Father talked to Him in front of people…but i am asking you to show how He worshipped the Father. I asked about Jesus worshipping. Can you quote to me how Jesus worships God?
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Isn’t it assumed that Jesus was raised an obedient Jew? So wouldn’t it be logical to assume he davened (prayed) with his community?
 
inJESUS said:
we all know Jesus cried to the Father and talked to Him, and the Father talked to Him in front of people…but i am asking you to show how He worshipped the Father. I asked about Jesus worshipping. Can you quote to me how Jesus worships God?
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I would say “he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears” is about as worshipful as you can get isn’t it? How else are you supposed to worship God?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
But if Jesus has a God, and you say he is a God, then there is a problem with Trinity as Arianism because there is a God who has a God above him. Which is what I’ve said all along and why, even forgetting about everything else, I couldn’t ever accept it because it’s not monotheism.
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When Jesus refers to his God, he is talking about the Father. I do not say that Jesus is “a” God, I say that he IS THE GOD. THere is no God with a God above him. You are reading that into it so that it makes sense to you and your theology. It is monotheism. There is one God. That is monotheism at its heart.

I am really not sure how to answer the questions that you pose. Not because I do not know the answer, but because I want you to be satisfied with the answer, and I do not think that you ever will.

Try some Augustine
newadvent.org/fathers/1301.htm

This site is a good overview, though it is not Catholic and some of his conclusions may not agree with the Church
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3818/is_200301/ai_n9231293

I know that this is a lot of reading material, but there is no good way to “Cliff Notes” God.
 
Valke2 said:
Isn’t it assumed that Jesus was raised an obedient Jew? So wouldn’t it be logical to assume he davened (prayed) with his community?
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I would say that that is at least a safe assumption. He is mentioned as teaching in the Temple more than once. We know he celebrated passover as was commanded.
 
inJESUS said:
good.

irrelevant to my question.

God is still God. The Bible says Jesus, the eternal and uncreated Word of God, the Alpha and Omega, the I AM, the Resurrection and Life, the Creator , took a human flesh.

Using your response, then Jesus in flesh IS God, not a lesser god, nor a mere human…His second nature does not mean He is no more God…it simply means He had both. How, is His own business.
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Well it’s my business too if I’m going to bother worshiping a God at all. I like to know what I’m trusting my life and eternity to. And I see that Jesus worshiped God like any man, so while I’m to obey Jesus as if he is God, I am also to have no other gods but God, and that excludes a man-God who worships a higher Father God.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 
ralphinal said:
When Jesus refers to his God, he is talking about the Father. I do not say that Jesus is “a” God, I say that he IS THE GOD. THere is no God with a God above him. You are reading that into it so that it makes sense to you and your theology. It is monotheism. There is one God. That is monotheism at its heart.

I am really not sure how to answer the questions that you pose. Not because I do not know the answer, but because I want you to be satisfied with the answer, and I do not think that you ever will.

Try some Augustine
newadvent.org/fathers/1301.htm

This site is a good overview, though it is not Catholic and some of his conclusions may not agree with the Church
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3818/is_200301/ai_n9231293

I know that this is a lot of reading material, but there is no good way to “Cliff Notes” God.
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I can’t see any way around all this if Jesus worships God and has a God, in this life and the next.

You either have to accept that Trinity is Arianism and breaks the command to have no other gods, or see it as I do, that Jesus is given all power of God, but still a human subordinate to God.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
Ok. So what does that say about the founder of your Church? That he was the model of perfection, who even denied he knew Jesus?
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Jesus was the founder of the Church, not Peter! Jesus made Peter the head of this church and his vicar on earth. When the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles at Pentecost they were filled with grace and given the power to accomplish their mission of establishing the church and making disciples of all the nations.
So why do you think Mohammed should be like Jesus with no flaws – though most of that is gossip and rumor anyway like the Talmud says Jesus is an evil Egyptian wizard burning in feces of hell.
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Muslims are the ones that claim that Muhammad was a “mercy to all mankind” and the “best of creation”. How do you know that that “gossip” as you call it was not true.
And why do always Christians forget how they raped the Jews, African slaves, and Native Americans of their lands and freedom? How the Church wouldn’t even let people read the Bible and kept followers in the dark? How even recently they protect child rapers?
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Why do you say “Christians” as if it was their Christianity that made them do these things? Instead of saying that there was an Arabic invasion of the Byzantine world, a Turkish invasion of Eastern Europe and a Moorish invasion of Spain, we should say it was Muslims that invaded the Byzantine world, it was Muslims that invaded Eastern Europe and it was Muslims that invaded Spain.

Islam put over a million Europeans into slavery and it was Muslims who rounded up the blacks to sell them to the white slave traders. White women were the most prized slaves in Mecca. It was not “Christianity” that deprived Native Americans of their lands and freedom, it was a more advanced technology that did it.

About the Bible, the Church was afraid of what has actually happened, everybody interpreting Scriptures their own way.

Yes, we have had priests that molested children and the church is dealing with them.
'm not defending Muslims, but let’s have a reality check here if you are going to start trashing the Quran and Mohammed along with all the bad Muslims.
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When has Islam ever treated the unbelievers as equals? Isn’t it true that a Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims, but a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam?
 
FaithofAbraham said:
I would say “he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears” is about as worshipful as you can get isn’t it? How else are you supposed to worship God?
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why don’t you explain to me first your understanding of worship, and why one worships, in order to be on the same track.
 
FaithofAbraham said:
I can’t see any way around all this if Jesus worships God and has a God, in this life and the next.

You either have to accept that Trinity is Arianism and breaks the command to have no other gods, or see it as I do, that Jesus is given all power of God, but still a human subordinate to God.
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And I don’t see him worshiping anyone in heaven. Again, show me where he WORSHIPED in Revelation.

How can the Trinity be Arianism when Arianism is a heresy against the Trinity?
 
FofA,

Do you truly want an answer to your questions? Or do you just ask so that you can receive an answer to attack? It seems to me that the real answer is the latter.

Many people have done yeoman’s work here trying to explain things to you, but it seems you always have a comeback to whatever they say. With every question you ask, it seems like like you are setting a trap, not trying to learn.

Some people, because they are more patient than others, continue the dialog. Others have given up. It’s just possible that those that have given up have tired of the game that they have come to believe you are playing. If people think you are playing a game, it’s just possible that they could be wrong. But they could also be right.
 
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