Why Is Muhammad The Greatest?

[inJESUS]

What I actually wrote was this .

seems you misunderstood what i wrote i agree with the point you raised.

 

[MelanieAnne]

seems you misunderstood what i wrote i agree with the point you raised.

Perhaps.

That’s why it’s often a good idea to clarify.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

yes or no?

 

[inJESUS]

i’d appreciate it if you could answer my questions…

"Is worship only based on acknowledging and talking to the Father? because Satan did both.

i assume your answer is no.

Or does it have different elements, example acknowleding your position of creature you have with respect to the Creator? your position of sin with respect to the Holy One? your position of a human in need of forgiveness with respect to the Judge?"

yes or no?

And behold they (possessed) cried out, saying: What have we to do with thee, Jesus Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

do you consider this worship?

Of course not.

good. So acknowledging and crying/talking to does not necessarily mean worshiping. There are other elements, like the ones i presented earlier, which have to do with the relationship/position between the worshipper and the one worshipped, Do they apply to Jesus?

Seems Jesus was doing that much.

correct. Jesus loves His Father and trust Him but these do not make the relationship between the Father and Word as the relationship of worship between creatures and God.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

i’d appreciate it if you could answer my questions…

I have to ignore you now, at least on this issue. I don’t think you are being sincere about your real belief about this, or even if you are, it’s irritating me to the point of being mean about it. So that’s about it.

 

[inJESUS]

That’s what of course not means, doesn’t it - no.

good.

now the other question you skipped for the third time:

Or does it have different elements, example acknowleding your position of creature you have with respect to the Creator? your position of sin with respect to the Holy One? your position of a human in need of forgiveness with respect to the Judge?"

 

[FaithofAbraham]

So acknowledging and crying/talking to does not necessarily mean worshiping. There are other elements, like the ones i presented earlier, which have to do with the relationship/position between the worshipper and the one worshipped, Do they apply to Jesus? no one denies Jesus talked/cried to the Father.

Yes, Jesus prayed in Hebrews 5:7 which is worship, looks like someone deleted my post, so like I said, that’s it.

 

[inJESUS]

I have to ignore you now, at least on this issue. I don’t think you are being sincere about your real belief about this, or even if you are, it’s irritating me to the point of being mean about it. So that’s about it.

am not being sincere? am asking you simple questions…if yu don’t want to reply and have no answer, so be it…but please do not question my sincerity…my questions are clear and straight.

 

[inJESUS]

Yes, Jesus prayed in Hebrews 5:7 which is worship, looks like someone deleted my post, so like I said, that’s it.

if i delete your post in my reply, it does not mean i deleted it from your reply, does it? am just saving space.

Am asking general questions pertaining to your quote…and am still waiting for the answer, if you want to answer it…i thought it was a general, easy question…don’t understand why you’re so disturbed by someone asking your definition of worship/prayer and how it applies to Jesus in the NT.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

if i delete your post in my reply, it does not mean i deleted it from your reply, does it? am just saving space.

Am asking general questions pertaining to your quote…and am still waiting for the answer, if you want to answer it…i thought it was a general, easy question…don’t understand why you’re so disturbed by someone asking your definition of worship/prayer and how it applies to Jesus in the NT.

Some mod deleted, it’s not there anymore.

In my book prayer is about as worshipful as you can get, so if you disagree then that’s how it goes. So here one more time, in good faith. Then that’s all.

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

 

[MelanieAnne]

Yes, Jesus prayed in Hebrews 5:7 which is worship, looks like someone deleted my post, so like I said, that’s it.

Hebrews is a letter written by St. Paul

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Hebrews is a letter written by St. Paul

Can’t we trust what he says?

 

[abucs]

More than the Koran.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Can’t we trust what he says?

Of course, but you are quoting Hebrews as if you are quoting directly from the literally quoted Words of Jesus Christ in the Gospels. I was just clarifying that Hebrews was a letter written by St. Paul.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Of course, but you are quoting Hebrews as if you are quoting directly from the literally quoted Words of Jesus Christ in the Gospels. I was just clarifying that Hebrews was a letter written by St. Paul.

Does it matter, if Paul says Jesus prayed to God I believe it, don’t you?

Anyway I posted the verse so I don’t see how anyone could confuse that as a quote from Jesus.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Hi FaithofAbraham,

I tuned into this thread today and saw all these posts seemingly about nothing.

Why are you so bothered that Jesus prayed to The Father? We have always said that the Trinity consists of three persons; They are separate persons, each with their own personality. They love each other. They talk to each other. They’ve always existed. Praying is just talking - so it would be perfectly fine for Jesus to pray to The Father, especially considering He took on human nature and started to feel pain and suffering and He needed love for comfort.

I hope you’re not suggesting that Jesus has to be either God or man, and not both; Because you’d be wrong. Jesus is both God and man. We don’t understand it. We will never understand it. It was revealed to us. We have reason to believe that this revelation is divine.

Why are you so bothered that Jesus prayed to The Father?

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Oh, and by the way, just to get things back on thread, I don’t believe Muhammad to be the greatest because he didn’t recognise prophecy. I made this point back in post #571, and then things when crazy after that. It’s a shame; I’d like to talk more about prophecy - it’s my favourite subject.

 

[dolphinlove]

Sure it isn’t one of those “I’ll pray that you aren’t a retarded idiot anymore” type prayers Christians like to disguise as insults?

Heh.

Think what you want love, but i wasnt insulting you and i would not call you that by any means.

 

[dolphinlove]

Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers.

Lol just goes to show which religion is right after all!
With this quote alone, you have just demonstrated that Islam is not a religion that God would want representing him, as Catholics, we pray for EVERYONE, the non believers, the believers of other religions, we demonstrate pure love to EVERYONE, not just our own brethren!

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Unfortunately, Muslims are not allowed to pray for disbelievers.

I didn’t notice that post earlier. That is really sad and I hope it’s not true, because perhaps that is proof that Muhammad is not the greatest because it shows lack of humility, love, and compassion.

 

[holdencaulfield]

First of all everyone is really old on this forum.

Second, as some people were talking about earlier.

God does not trick or fool people. That would contradict His nature.

“The day of your watchmen has come, the day God visits you. Now is the time of their confusion.” [emphasis added] (Micah 7:4)

“I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be.” (Galatians 5:10)