Why is pleasuring oneself wrong?

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It is not adultery, no lust is involved. So why is self-pleasuring wrong?:confused:

To those who say it involves imagining a person (and therefore it is lust), what if no person is involved? Would it still be considered lust? What I mean is, people aren’t necessarily turned on by people, they could be turned on by something nonsexual, so lust would be impossible in such cases (despite being sexually aroused).
 
  1. Lust need not be directed at a person to be lust, lust is simply the disordered desire for sexual pleasure. The fact that it is not directed towards a person, " a real person" is a part of what makes the act of self pleasuring “disordered”.
  2. God has given us a precious gift in our sexuality. If I gave you a valuable painting but you used the canvas to wrap you fish in, I would be understandably annoyed. Likewise when we use the sacred gift of our sexuality, our very ability to act in the image of God, to participate in the action of creation, so casually and disorderly as self pleasuring it is gravely immoral.
  3. The act of sexuality is the act of giving oneself, completely and unreservedly to another. Thus, to act out, sexually, outside of this relationship of mutual self giving (marriage) is a disordered act.
God has created you for love, and to be loved, fully and unconditionally. The dark spiral into sins of the flesh is a massive cheapening of this reality, it will never satisfy. Ultimately only God can fulfil our desires and our needs, turn to him in your struggles, be connected to him. Do not sell yourself short.
 
Thanks, Father. But what is one to do with the urges, especially when they stem from nonsexual sources?
 
Deny yourself, take up your cross daily, and follow the Lord (Matthew 16:24, Luke 9:23). Deny yourself inasmuch as you seek the pleasures of the flesh. Take up your cross, of which fleshly pleasure forms a part, and struggle after our Lord. Remember that the flesh is at war with the spirit and is contrary to it. See also what Paul writes regarding the flesh and the spirit (Romans 8:5-8). In our sex-saturated culture, something is triggering those urges, or inflaming them. I would first identify, then remove or avoid those triggers. This may require a change in your lifestyle. Turn to prayer for the strength to resist those urges. You will find yourself praying more - perhaps a lot more. How is that a bad thing? Jesus never said it would be easy, but He did promise us that He would be with us on our journey. Prayers ascending.
 
Thanks, Father. But what is one to do with the urges, especially when they stem from nonsexual sources?
Part of being human is being in control of our desires. Fleshy, physical desires are transient and distract us from true happiness. We can relent to our desire for sexual gratification, for cake, for avoiding the dentist, but the gratification gained from such indulgence is short lived and distracts us from that which is best for us (i.e. God).

To say that this is an urge we are unable to control leaves us in a position no more than other animals.

In sacred Scripture, God teaches us that sexual pleasure is a wonderful thing which should be shared between a husband and a wife. It is a gift that makes us better lovers and needs to be directed to giving a gift of pleasure to our spouses. Indulging in masturbation affects the way we make love. It changes our attitude from one of complete self donation, to one of selfish gratification. This attitude is part of the inviolable bond between procreative and unitive ends of intercourse which the Church has always maintained, along with almost everyone else, up until recently.

It ties in with the fact that the Church rejects the introduction of artificial methods of birth control which destroy the inviolable bond between the procreative and unitive ends of sexual intercourse and in this it is joined by such thinkers as Mahatma Ghandi, who wrote: “It is an insult to the fair sex to put up her case in support of birth control by artificial methods, as it is, man has sufficiently degraded her for his lust, and artificial methods, no matter how well meaning the advocates may be, will still degrade her further. I urge the advocates of artificial methods to consider the consequences. Any large use of the methods is likely to result in the dissolution of the marriage bond and in free love. Birth control to me is a dismal abyss.” And the founder of modern psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud, certainly no friend of the Church, but worth referencing in order to demonstrate how the gap between secular thought and the Church’s position has widened just very recently, with devastating results for society. Freud who viewed birth control as the prime enabler of sexual perversion, wrote: “it is a characteristic common to all the perversions that in them reproduction as an aim is put aside. This is actually the criterion by which we judge whether a sexual activity is perverse—if it departs from reproduction in its aims and pursues the attainment of gratification independently…Everything that…serves the pursuit of gratification alone is called by the unhonored title of ‘perversion’ and as such is despised.”, Freud, S., A General Introduction to Psycho-Analysis, translated by Joan Riviere (New York: Liverwright, 1935), p. 277.

The reason for this is that when you divorce sexual pleasure from its undoubted purpose, (i.e. procreation) you divorce the act from the responsibility it naturally demands. Sex then becomes about self-gratification and the truth, always upheld by the Church, is that it is something pure, holy, and wonderful.
 
Of course, that’s not to say it is that easy 🙂

But we must try 😊
 
Sorry, me again. Just thinking about your initial question

Why is pleasuring oneself wrong?

If one meditates on that alone, I think one can begin to answer the question. It came to me to consider it in the light of our understanding about hell. JP II taught that the images of hell that Sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted. They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes the truths of faith on this subject: “To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called ‘hell’” (n. 1033).

“Eternal damnation”, therefore, is not attributed to God’s initiative because in his merciful love he can only desire the salvation of the beings he created. In reality, it is the creature who closes himself to his love. Damnation consists precisely in definitive separation from God, freely chosen by the human person and confirmed with death that seals his choice for ever. God’s judgement ratifies this state.

The Vatican Exorcist, Gabriel Amorth, in his book An Exorcist Tell His Story recounts a conversation his boss had with a demon about what hell is like. The demon describes it as self-absorption, a complete turning in on oneself in selfishness. So where heaven/ God is complete abundance; an outpouring of love that knows no bounds, hell is a complete introversion and selfishness. Does meditating on this give us some insight into why using the gift of our sexuality, something given to us to share in procreation, selfishly is harmful to our supernatural selves?
 
The simple answer is, it’s selfish. The pleasure of the body was designed to be shared in matrimony. It is to be a mutual pleasure between husband and wife. When we reduce it to simple self gratification, we make a mockery of it.
 
Two points:

It is biological and not under my control. I may not even know when it’s going to occur, it could catch us unawares.

Second, the urge will surface from time to time. I can’t keep ignoring it each time. Nor can one get married for this purpose alone.

I am not justifying this habit, btw. Just thinking it out loud.
 
Two points:

It is biological and not under my control. I may not even know when it’s going to occur, it could catch us unawares.

Second, the urge will surface from time to time. I can’t keep ignoring it each time. Nor can one get married for this purpose alone.

I am not justifying this habit, btw. Just thinking it out loud.
The urge to kill someone could be considered biological as well. It could come on unaware and catch us off guard. That doesn’t make murdering them in anger any less of a bad thing. Neither does the urge constitute a sin. Having an urge to do something bad is not a sin, acting on it or entertaining it with thoughts of glee can be.

As to ignoring it, why can’t you keep ignoring it? I think that by ignoring it and not acting on it, we encourage our body to react differently. Where as giving in to the temptation causes us to experience pleasure from the urge. Just like Pavlov’s dog, we can train our body to want it. We can train our body that when you get this urge… you get a treat. The more you act on it, the more often you’ll feel the urge.
 
The negative psychological ramifications of masturbation are many and include things like diminishing one’s attraction to the opposite sex, increasing selfishness, and becoming unable to satisfy one’s spouse. There are other detrimental effects also.
 
Two points:

It is biological and not under my control. I may not even know when it’s going to occur, it could catch us unawares.

Second, the urge will surface from time to time. I can’t keep ignoring it each time. Nor can one get married for this purpose alone.
bmullins makes the point well:
The urge to kill someone could be considered biological as well. It could come on unaware and catch us off guard. That doesn’t make murdering them in anger any less of a bad thing. Neither does the urge constitute a sin. Having an urge to do something bad is not a sin, acting on it or entertaining it with thoughts of glee can be.

As to ignoring it, why can’t you keep ignoring it? I think that by ignoring it and not acting on it, we encourage our body to react differently. Where as giving in to the temptation causes us to experience pleasure from the urge. Just like Pavlov’s dog, we can train our body to want it. We can train our body that when you get this urge… you get a treat. The more you act on it, the more often you’ll feel the urge.
It’s like same sex attraction, fornication, or worse perversions like paedophilia. You may well consider that you feel urges, but that doesn’t mean that you should act on them!
The negative psychological ramifications of masturbation are many and include things like diminishing one’s attraction to the opposite sex, increasing selfishness, and becoming unable to satisfy one’s spouse. There are other detrimental effects also.
Another good point. I think it’s pretty well known that it’s a slippery slope as well.
 
If man cannot control himself, he will inevitably seek to control woman in order to satisfy his own impulses and desires

One thing leads to another. In this case the “other” only has value so far as she is “useful” to me. As soon as she is not, she is no longer “loved.” at this point another more “useful” person will be sought that is, another person from whom I can more easily get the enjoyment I seek. This kind of loving threatens society. But in actuality this way of “loving” is not really loving at all, since selfish enjoyment excludes disinterested giving!
 
Two points:

It is biological and not under my control. I may not even know when it’s going to occur, it could catch us unawares.

Second, the urge will surface from time to time. I can’t keep ignoring it each time. Nor can one get married for this purpose alone.

I am not justifying this habit, btw. Just thinking it out loud.
Your thinking is skewed in favor of the practice - in favor of the self. Should a girl consider becoming pregnant simply because she has reached the age of puberty? Should a boy consider impregnating a girl simply because he has reached puberty? After all, the physical maturation process is beyond their control and those urges happen. However, a generation of 12 year old parents sounds a little odd, does it not? In all areas and times of life, we are called to self-control. Pleasuring the self in one area of life cannot be disconnected from pleasuring the self in other areas. The greatest pleasure is not the one indulged in, but the one waited for.
 
It is not adultery, no lust is involved. So why is self-pleasuring wrong?:confused:

To those who say it involves imagining a person (and therefore it is lust), what if no person is involved? Would it still be considered lust? What I mean is, people aren’t necessarily turned on by people, they could be turned on by something nonsexual, so lust would be impossible in such cases (despite being sexually aroused).
Sexual arousal in and of itself is not a sin. Depending on how/why you choose to entertain those kind of feelings, though, they can potentially be channeled into sin.
 
I would like to know the where the Catholic church stands on marital intercourse, if one knows that it will not be procreative. For instance, when the woman has just ended her cycle and she knows that she is not fertile, is this a sin for them to have intercourse then? I would imagine it is not, since there is such a thing as NFP…? 🤷

I do have another question that stems from the answer to this one, which does have to do with the subject of this thread. 😛
 
I would like to know the where the Catholic church stands on marital intercourse, if one knows that it will not be procreative. For instance, when the woman has just ended her cycle and she knows that she is not fertile, is this a sin for them to have intercourse then? I would imagine it is not, since there is such a thing as NFP…? 🤷

I do have another question that stems from the answer to this one, which does have to do with the subject of this thread. 😛
The two aspects of marriage: unitive and procreative. If procreation is not (or no longer) possible, then the unitive aspect remains.
 
Ok, so my next question then is…if both married partners are in agreement with the other pleasuring their self in order to mutually pleasure each other…would that be acceptable?

Along the same idea, what if the married couple is separated for a time and want to keep themselves from temptation while apart; and have access to mutually participate in pleasuring each other by way of phone or some means such as that, while they are separated? For example, a couple that is separated because of work or some reason such as that. Or maybe if they are separated due to a death or illness in the family and the one is not able to go, and due to the sadness of the one and feeling the need to be comforted by the unity with the other. Would pleasuring oneself be a sin in that instance, if it is to be used in mutually pleasuring the other and/or to avoid temptation like is referenced in this Scripture:

1 Cor. 7:5 Defraud not one another, except, perhaps, by consent, for a time, that you may give yourselves to prayer; and return together again, lest Satan tempt you for your incontinency.
 
Two points:

It is biological and not under my control. I may not even know when it’s going to occur, it could catch us unawares.

Second, the urge will surface from time to time. I can’t keep ignoring it each time. Nor can one get married for this purpose alone.

I am not justifying this habit, btw. Just thinking it out loud.
Masturbation is not biological.

You cannot perhaps control the urge, but you can control your response to it. The virtue is chastity. Virtues are developed as habits, some habits are easy and some difficult. The more you get into the habit of resisting the urge (with the help of prayer), the easier it will be to resist.
Ok, so my next question then is…if both married partners are in agreement with the other pleasuring their self in order to mutually pleasure each other…would that be acceptable?

Along the same idea, what if the married couple is separated for a time and want to keep themselves from temptation while apart; and have access to mutually participate in pleasuring each other by way of phone or some means such as that, while they are separated? For example, a couple that is separated because of work or some reason such as that. Or maybe if they are separated due to a death or illness in the family and the one is not able to go, and due to the sadness of the one and feeling the need to be comforted by the unity with the other. Would pleasuring oneself be a sin in that instance, if it is to be used in mutually pleasuring the other and/or to avoid temptation like is referenced in this Scripture:

1 Cor. 7:5 Defraud not one another, except, perhaps, by consent, for a time, that you may give yourselves to prayer; and return together again, lest Satan tempt you for your incontinency.
There are no circumstances that make masturbation acceptable behavior. You could take the example of “What if you were the last person left alive on earth after (whatever), would it be OK then” and it would still not be OK.
 
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