The claim that I won’t accept without credible evidence is that no household would allow polyandry or similar relationships. For those who think that monogamy is ideal, then they will simply stay monogamous.
No household would allow polyandry? No household would
allow it? When did I make that claim?
I said very few would WANT polyandry. That polygyny was much more likely. So I was pointing out the great obvious that polygamy as a whole would not solve China’s problem of too many men. You, on the other hand, had a way of dreaming that it would.
I was trying to figure out how.
Actually, polygamy was made illegal in the United States in the time of Abraham Lincoln - the time when people were filled with prejudices against racial minorities and women. So much for being smart enough to do something about abuses.
There were no studies about abuses back then so the judgement against polygamy was made out of ignorance and prejudice, and prejudice was typical for many at that time. Meanwhile, I question the conditions of monogamous marriages since women were often suppressed in society.
So your logic is that because polygamy was outlawed at a time when abuse of women was common, it had nothing to do with abuse of women? How about the idea that it was
practiced when abuse of women was common? Doesn’t fit the picture you’re trying to frame?
And your logic that it was abolished at the same time as slavery means it was not abolished for a good reason? You are actually arguing it was abolished because of prejudice? Really?
Instead of sort of noticing it was abolished at a time when people were sort of waking up to recognizing human dignity?
How about noticing the dates? 1865 slavery gets kicked out. 1890 polygamy follows. Coincidence?
My view is that we should not ban polygamy because there are good ways to practice it or that most of the bad ways are resolvable. People should also realize that there are good and bad ways to practice monogamy, and we’ve taken centuries on developing therapy, laws, and benefits to support monogamy. Polygamy has not been given the same chance to evolve in Western society because it is largely suppressed, yet we still find good examples.
Please be a nice and even thinker and list all of the possible misuses of polygamy. Then make a tidy list of the maybe remedies. Then make a list of the possible benefits. Take a look at the lists. Publish your answers here. I’ll be watching for them.
Perhaps the two wives were a gift but then it doesn’t follow that polygamy was immoral. The author in the passage I referenced was clearly trying to paint a picture of a man being righteous “in the eyes of GOD” so it doesn’t make sense that the author would immediately bring up a blatant sinful act, especially involving a leading PRIEST of God.
If it was written about, which king David’s polygamy was, then God would call him out on it just as he called out David for adultery. Interestingly, David was known for repentance but David nor other polygamists had to show repentance due to their additional wives. Secondly, God would not be calling polygamy a sin when he calls men who practice it righteous.
I pointed out you’re reaching a bit. I still point this out. You never yet accepted that women given as gifts are slaves. And that slavery was fine in the OT. So by your logic, if polygamy is righteous so is slavery. Please explain why this is not so.
To be practical and to avoid harm. Polygamy is practiced in the Bible and there’s no mention of it leading to swinging, etc, etc. So yes, it is possible to practice polygamy with some standards of decency.
Ah. Just FYI. For swinging to be a thing? It takes women being equal. That wasn’t an ancient cultural norm.
Besides. You forget to even think about the effect of polygamy on children. Unless you really think shared access to a distant father is in the best thing that’s ever been thought up category.
And when you bring polygamy on line there’s no rational reason why someone would just disagree with your limits (whatever they are) and just push things further, farther, faster. You’re doing it. Others will do more. It seems the only for sure in this whole deal.
If wife #1 doesn’t want additional wife until husband is okay with an additional husband, then it’s best that wife # stay out of polygamy entirely. It’s that simple!
No, she’s fine with an additional wife. But then later she turns to you and asks why she can’t have an additional husband? What makes you different from her in the wants department?
And what do you do when wife #2 agrees? Let’s say you aren’t very satisfying to 2 women. Let’s say they want to go catch themselves a hunk? Maybe a guy a few years younger even? Why not? Why rationally not?
Equality in numbers (equal number of males and females in the relationship) does not always equal equality in ‘fairness’. When you just go by numbers then you disregard CHOICE when not everyone wants it.
I’m saying people change. So I’m pointing out that free votes can lead to a complete mess in terms of your relationship. So how do you control that? How do you control it fairly? Or wait. Why would you control that? Because fairness. Equality. Something something. Freedom. Whatever.
No, I’d willing to compromise just as I do in monogamy. This is no different than working together as a team.
So having extra guys come on and eventually bring extra women who’d eventually bring extra men until you’re married to everyone around the block could possibly work in your book? Or does compromise for you just mean “I’d agree to let everyone do what I want.”
