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There are so many answers, but this one is the simplest and the best. Thank you so much!Because then marriage is no longer a partnership between equals. It’s instead a collector’s paradise.
There are so many answers, but this one is the simplest and the best. Thank you so much!Because then marriage is no longer a partnership between equals. It’s instead a collector’s paradise.
Simple, you use the surplus men to wage wars and take by force other people’s land and if you kill all the enemy men then you have wives for the surplus men who survive.A secular reason would be the historical correlation with abusive relationships and poor social results (e.g rich men with many wives leaving too few wives for the regular guys leading to social unrest)
I don’t know if secular reasons are of interest, and am in any case on a tablet which makes digging up and linking to reports a pain, so I’ll just dump that there and see if there is any interest.
Also on a vague arm waving front, you can see that a guy with hundreds of wives necessarily has a less intimate relationship with each than would be the case in a monogamous relationship.
Also Polyandry requires special circumstances that involve women having power which is exceptional give that in most cases men find it easier to rape beat and kill women than take orders from a woman.Polyandry is wrong because the child would not be sure who is her father. Polygamy is not against the natural law and was allowed in the OT.
And? Historically marriage was transactional and that isn’t actually immoral.Because then marriage is no longer a partnership between equals. It’s instead a collector’s paradise.
Fisher’s principleI was only suggesting that the natural sex ratio of about 1 male born for every 1 female born, points to monogamy as being God’s design for mankind. If instead there was a natural sex ratio of 1 male born for every 2 females born, then that would point to bigamy as being God’s design for mankind and a natural sex ratio of 1 male born for every 3 females born would point to trigamy as being God’s design for mankind.
I did not mean to suggest that in those places where the natural sex ratio has been artificially changed, then polygamy or polyandry should be allowed.
I am opposed to wars and killing people. In the end a lot of innocent non-combatants including children will be killed or maimed for life. How many people in wars have lost an arm, a leg, an eyeball or some other body part. How many people have to suffer horrible pain, crying, suffering and moaning their whole life as a result of war. I am for solving problems by peaceful means, including peaceful diplomacy. I am somewhat perplexed that a Roman Catholic poster here is apparently advocating war for what seems to be a trivial reason. I don’t believe that this would be the position of the Roman Catholic church.Simple, you use the surplus men to wage wars and take by force other people’s land and if you kill all the enemy men then you have wives for the surplus men who survive.
Given that men abuse women with power…Simple, you use the surplus men to wage wars and take by force other people’s land and if you kill all the enemy men then you have wives for the surplus men who survive.
So what if they have a less intimate relationship?
Also Polyandry requires special circumstances that involve women having power which is exceptional give that in most cases men find it easier to rape beat and kill women than take orders from a woman.
And? Historically marriage was transactional and that isn’t actually immoral.
Fisher’s principle
Transactional as in mostly a business relationship.Given that men abuse women with power…
I’m not sure I agree that purely transactional marriage is moral.
I understand that no overtly immoral acts are necessarily done, but, transactional would imply that women are property to be transacted, so it seems the attitude is immoral, as it objectifies the women.
I guess it depends on the individuals in the arranged or transactional marriage, and how they view and treat one another.
These explanations might explain historical ideas about marriage, but they have nothing to do with God’s plan for marriage. Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, carefully taught about marriage from the beginning, and corrected all the misunderstandings and misuses of marriage, and even went so far as to call Himself the Bridegroom and the Church His Bride, and told of the consummation of the wedding feast of the Lamb.Simple, you use the surplus men to wage wars and take by force other people’s land and if you kill all the enemy men then you have wives for the surplus men who survive.
So what if they have a less intimate relationship?
Also Polyandry requires special circumstances that involve women having power which is exceptional give that in most cases men find it easier to rape beat and kill women than take orders from a woman.
And? Historically marriage was transactional and that isn’t actually immoral.
Fisher’s principle
Right.Transactional as in mostly a business relationship.
As a purely secular argument without Christian point of view:I know that if Jesus said it is wrong, that is a good enough reason for it to be wrong, but why? Why isn’t it OK to have multiple spouses? This is just out of curiosity, by the way.
Thank you, and God Bless you!
It was allowed in the OT. And even today, there are Muslim families and other families which are polygamous.Polygamy is not ordered to the way we are.
Lots of things were allowed in the OT that could be called disordered.It was allowed in the OT. And even today, there are Muslim families and other families which are polygamous.
The ban on polygamy rests solely on sacred tradition.These explanations might explain historical ideas about marriage, but they have nothing to do with God’s plan for marriage. Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, carefully taught about marriage from the beginning, and corrected all the misunderstandings and misuses of marriage, and even went so far as to call Himself the Bridegroom and the Church His Bride, and told of the consummation of the wedding feast of the Lamb.
Marriage is a sacrament now. Even if polygamy were tolerated under the Old Covenant, it is a grave sin now. None of the historical abuses of marriage have anything to do with how marriage may be used (hint: for God’s glory and for procreation/education of children and for sanctification of spouses) under the New Covenant.
Which expresses common sense and natural law.The ban on polygamy rests solely on sacred tradition.
I know that if Jesus said it is wrong, that is a good enough reason for it to be wrong, but why? Why isn’t it OK to have multiple spouses? This is just out of curiosity, by the way.
Thank you, and God Bless you!
Polygamy is being married to multiple people simultaneously, you are thinking of fornication.This is a very common sin in our times, but many people would not think it is.
Todays generation, its fairly common for most people to have had multiple sex partners over the years, (around 30-50 seems to be the norm), but from what Ive heard, in Gods view, the first person you have sex with, is your wife, no matter if you are married or not, and every other person you have sex with, that is adultery or polygamy every single time
I don’t think she is endorsing the war approach. No one here is. She is stating what will most likely happen if there are surplus men. I think she is correct.I am opposed to wars and killing people. In the end a lot of innocent non-combatants including children will be killed or maimed for life. How many people in wars have lost an arm, a leg, an eyeball or some other body part. How many people have to suffer horrible pain, crying, suffering and moaning their whole life as a result of war. I am for solving problems by peaceful means, including peaceful diplomacy. I am somewhat perplexed that a Roman Catholic poster here is apparently advocating war for what seems to be a trivial reason. I don’t believe that this would be the position of the Roman Catholic church.
True.The ban on polygamy rests solely on sacred tradition.
Statistically states with large numbers of surplus men have more to gain from a war and less to lose, after all what is a hundred thousand dead men if you have a surplus of 20 million?I don’t think she is endorsing the war approach. No one here is. She is stating what will most likely happen if there are surplus men. I think she is correct.
A war between China and India can happen as these two nations have the most surplus men. Only thing is, they both have nuclear weapons.
It has always been like that.True.
I notice a lot of sola scriptura types are also in favor of polygamy or specifically polygyny.
What if the first person you have sex with had had sex with some else before you? Then wouldn’t he/she be that person’s spouse?but from what Ive heard, in Gods view, the first person you have sex with, is your wife, no matter if you are married or not, and every other person you have sex with, that is adultery or polygamy every single time
Abraham had two wives at the same time (and more later on after Sarah died) but he lived to be 175 years old. That doesn’t seem like a very short lifespan. Jacob also had two wives at the same time (Leah and Rachel) and he lived to be 147 years old. That’s also not a short lifespan.
- Polygamy was tolerated because in those days, lifespans were short due to war or diseases. There was no social welfare services especially if they are nomadic.