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Elf01
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In general you’re right, but there are seven books that they don’t accept.
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adamhovey1988
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Right, and parts of others. They accept most of the Bible.
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adamhovey1988
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No he did not, he couldn’t have. God can do many things, but he can never do something that’s not in his nature.
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Wannano
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I am not sure how you define “the Protestant Church” but in any case I think I agree with you. He created the catholic Church.
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Wannano
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Well suffice it to say that the whole world has been in error for a lot longer than that!
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Limoncello4021
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Protestantism is wrong because it is not the Church that Jesus Christ founded on the Rock of Peter.
In the 1500s, Protestants decided to protest against some aspects of the Catholic Church they didn’t like. They watered down Catholicism and that watering down and splintering has continued to this day.
If you are a Protestant you need to know what you are protesting against. Protestants sometimes slam Catholics for not knowing their faith well (often true) but I’ve known lots of Protestants who never once thought about this question.
In the 1500s, Protestants decided to protest against some aspects of the Catholic Church they didn’t like. They watered down Catholicism and that watering down and splintering has continued to this day.
If you are a Protestant you need to know what you are protesting against. Protestants sometimes slam Catholics for not knowing their faith well (often true) but I’ve known lots of Protestants who never once thought about this question.
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Wannano
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That you can so confidently boil all that has happened into two sentences is quite astounding! Is it possible that you might have a simple solution as well?
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Limoncello4021
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Thank you Wannano, for your complement, although I suspect it may be back handed.
It really is fairly simple: people break with the Catholic Church all the time over things they don’t agree with or don’t want to accept. They are protesting something.
The solution? Well, it too is rather simple, although is unfolding in God’s time of course. Anything that is not true has already sown the seeds of its own destruction. For the true Church founded by Christ “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Time will tell, won’t it?
It really is fairly simple: people break with the Catholic Church all the time over things they don’t agree with or don’t want to accept. They are protesting something.
The solution? Well, it too is rather simple, although is unfolding in God’s time of course. Anything that is not true has already sown the seeds of its own destruction. For the true Church founded by Christ “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Time will tell, won’t it?
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ChunkMonk
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I actually agree with the main point here. In my opinion, it might be better that the mass of Protestants remain outside the Church until they are ready to accept the True Faith.
Does it help the heretic to have the ‘name’ Catholic? Maybe, or maybe it harms the heretic. Maybe the heretic outside the Church is better off than one inside. I don’t know, but as of now I would say that Protestants should not come into this House until they are ready to follow the basic rules.
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Wannano
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Absolutely, we will all come to realize God’s truth.
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Wannano
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I am glad you see my point here, I don’t think too many did. Your choice of using the word “heretic” does not lend itself to positive discussion, as I understand it, no one can be deemed a heretic if they have never been a Catholic.Wannano:
I actually agree with the main point here. In my opinion, it might be better that the mass of Protestants remain outside the Church until they are ready to accept the True Faith.
Does it help the heretic to have the ‘name’ Catholic? Maybe, or maybe it harms the heretic. Maybe the heretic outside the Church is better off than one inside. I don’t know, but as of now I would say that Protestants should not come into this House until they are ready to follow the basic rules.
My position is that it is better if all people remain outside of any church if they are not ready to accept the True faith.
Your last paragraph is very interesting as you raise points I totally identify with.
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steve-b
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Limoncello4021 gave an accurate statement.Limoncello4021:
That you can so confidently boil all that has happened into two sentences is quite astounding! Is it possible that you might have a simple solution as well?
I would just add,
Even when evidence is given properly referenced, does it mean anyone will open up the evidence even with a simple click .
A famous quote made by a Protestant while still Protestant,
“to be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant”
One could rephrase it to say
To be deep in history is to cease being E Orthodox
To be deep in history is to be Catholic
For proof, here is a litany of links to evidence properly referenced that will answer that point. Why is Protestantism wrong? - #53 by steve-b (post #53 )
The "trail of blood posts give in 3 links, the 1st 400 years of Church history (condensed)
One finds “Catholic Church” by name, in writing, properly referenced going back to the first century
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steve-b
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Re: the underlinedChunkMonk:
I am glad you see my point here, I don’t think too many did. Your choice of using the word “heretic” does not lend itself to positive discussion, as I understand it, no one can be deemed a heretic if they have never been a Catholic.Wannano:
I actually agree with the main point here. In my opinion, it might be better that the mass of Protestants remain outside the Church until they are ready to accept the True Faith.
Does it help the heretic to have the ‘name’ Catholic? Maybe, or maybe it harms the heretic. Maybe the heretic outside the Church is better off than one inside. I don’t know, but as of now I would say that Protestants should not come into this House until they are ready to follow the basic rules.
Heresy =
2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
IOW, what one denies post baptism is the key to one being in heresy.
Chances are, even if one is “in” the True faith, if they won’t accept all the faith, then they have put themselves outside of the faith.
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Wannano
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What about people who have been baptized into the True Faith who do not even know what that means for sure, are they also putting themselves outside of the faith?Wannano:
Re: the underlinedChunkMonk:
I am glad you see my point here, I don’t think too many did. Your choice of using the word “heretic” does not lend itself to positive discussion, as I understand it, no one can be deemed a heretic if they have never been a Catholic.Wannano:
I actually agree with the main point here. In my opinion, it might be better that the mass of Protestants remain outside the Church until they are ready to accept the True Faith.
Does it help the heretic to have the ‘name’ Catholic? Maybe, or maybe it harms the heretic. Maybe the heretic outside the Church is better off than one inside. I don’t know, but as of now I would say that Protestants should not come into this House until they are ready to follow the basic rules.
Heresy =
2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
IOW, what one denies post baptism is the key to one being in heresy.
Wannano:
Chances are, even if one is “in” the True faith, if they won’t accept all the faith, then they have put themselves outside of the faith.
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steve-b
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Good question.steve-b:
What about people who have been baptized into the True Faith who do not even know what that means for sure, are they also putting themselves outside of the faith?Wannano:
Re: the underlinedChunkMonk:
I am glad you see my point here, I don’t think too many did. Your choice of using the word “heretic” does not lend itself to positive discussion, as I understand it, no one can be deemed a heretic if they have never been a Catholic.Wannano:
I actually agree with the main point here. In my opinion, it might be better that the mass of Protestants remain outside the Church until they are ready to accept the True Faith.
Does it help the heretic to have the ‘name’ Catholic? Maybe, or maybe it harms the heretic. Maybe the heretic outside the Church is better off than one inside. I don’t know, but as of now I would say that Protestants should not come into this House until they are ready to follow the basic rules.
Heresy =
2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
IOW, what one denies post baptism is the key to one being in heresy.
Wannano:
Chances are, even if one is “in” the True faith, if they won’t accept all the faith, then they have put themselves outside of the faith.
Given the ease today of accessing information, just ask anyone with a smart phone to find an answer on even a subject they might not of even heard of, see how fast they come up with an answer.
That said, consider the following from the CCC
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1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.” In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.
As I understand, there are over 7 billion smart phones in circulation today. Objectively speaking then, That’s almost 1 smart phone for everyone on the planet. All I’m saying, one should have, at least a modicum of interest about their salvation. That should keep them busy searching
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MichaelP3
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Where I live I can assure you half the population does not have smartphones. (I guess some rich people feel better with more than 1 then) and for the price of data, I am willing to bet pretty much on the fact that these people are not searching for Catholic “truths”. And even remotely NOT knowing about Catholicism will not be the reason…
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steve-b
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Jesus established the Catholic Church. The only one He established. He insists on perfect unity. Not some squishy notion of unity but “Perfect Unity” in His Church.steve-b:
Where I live I can assure you half the population does not have smartphones. (I guess some rich people feel better with more than 1 then) and for the price of data, I am willing to bet pretty much on the fact that these people are not searching for Catholic “truths”. And even remotely NOT knowing about Catholicism will not be the reason…
Jn 17 (emphasis mine)
20 "I do not pray for these only, (namely His apostles) but also for those who believe in me through their word, (all of His Church that only He established) 21* that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,( not even a pinhole of light separates them) 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, ( not just sorta one but perfectly one) so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Therefore He gives the grace to everyone to want to know this and have faith in that. But even as Jesus said, when He comes again will He even find faith in the world.
Satan is doing one heck of a job dividing what Jesus established… And he is grabbing and devouring souls by obscene amounts.
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Tis_Bearself
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it’s wrong because it created unnecessary divisions and in so doing, weakened Christianity.
The people who had problems with the Church and split off from it should have stayed in the Church and tried to resolve their issues from within.
A number of the splits appear to have been largely driven by someone’s ego (King Henry VIII in particular, and Martin Luther to a lesser extent) rather than any great desire for personal holiness. A truly holy person who saw something wrong with the Church would have tried to stay in it and save it, instead of creating a schism.
The people who had problems with the Church and split off from it should have stayed in the Church and tried to resolve their issues from within.
A number of the splits appear to have been largely driven by someone’s ego (King Henry VIII in particular, and Martin Luther to a lesser extent) rather than any great desire for personal holiness. A truly holy person who saw something wrong with the Church would have tried to stay in it and save it, instead of creating a schism.
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