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thistle
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You are wrong. The Church does NOT teach smoking is a sin. It teaches that EXCESS smoking is a sin.
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KrazyKat
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anything to excess is a sin !!
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Aussieman88
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Satan has come to Kill Steal and destroy. That’s directly out of the bible. If you were giving advise from a place of knowledge you would know that. My original post explains how and why smoking could be considered a sin. With biblical backup. A smoker is a slave to the spirit of addiction.
Any smoker who is striving to become close to God and wants to go from the good will of God into the Perfect will of God would Pray and come against that spirit of addiction and stop smoking. Addiction as in a smoker acts like that spirit that leaves a body and comes back with 7 other spirits more powerful than itself. (that’s from the bible too). cancer being one of those more powerful spirits. There’s war going on in the spiritual realm. It’s very active. Read it in the bible.
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Jimmygill
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Is it sinful to feel superior about not being a smoker. Is it sinful to think its OK to condemn smokers or voice a judgemental opinion. Is consuming anything we like rather than need sinful
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Aussieman88
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Superior = Pride. Bible tells us not to resist it. Judging, not our job. bible tells us not to do it. Condemning smokers, that’s idle words coming out of your mouth. Bible tells us not to do it. As a man speaks so is he. Like rather than need, now that’s ok. We are supposed to Enjoy the world God made for us. An addiction is something else entirely.
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Jimmygill
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I come from an Irish family and if you told any of my extremely holy and observant uncles or aunts that smoking and drinking was a sin you would be laughed at. In my experience as an Irish Catholic the hair shirt is worn by very few and while we respect non drinkers or reformed drinkers criticism of smokers is a new one on me. EU membership has meant that public areas are non smoking but c’est la vie
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KrazyKat
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You are so wrong. Enjoying the world God gave us by pampering yourself is not the Way. We are to imitate Jesus . I do not drink but do not point fingers at those that do. To eat more than the body needs is not healthy but I do not judge others when they go back for seconds.
Smoking is not a sin !!!
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NovusAugustus
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From the Catechism
I don’t know how it could be any more clear, Aussieman. Smoking is phone as long as you are in control. I know some people who can very easily regulate their smoking and have very healthy habits otherwise and exercise regularly, so on the whole their health is maintained pretty well. It’s simply a myth and a lie (albeit a commonly professed lie) that you can’t smoke in moderation and maintain healthy eating and exercise habits.
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fred_conty
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cancer.gov/cancertopics/tobacco/smoking
Tobacco use is the LEADING cause of preventable illness and death in the United States. It causes many different cancers as well as chronic lung diseases, such as emphysema and bronchitis, and heart disease.
Cigarette smoking causes an estimated 443,000 deaths each year, including approximately 49,000 deaths due to exposure to secondhand smoke.
Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death among both men and women in the United States, and 90 percent of lung cancer deaths among men and approximately 80 percent of lung cancer deaths among women are due to smoking.
Smoking causes many other types of cancer, including cancers of the throat, mouth, nasal cavity, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, kidney, bladder, and cervix, and acute myeloid leukemia.
People who smoke are up to six times more likely to suffer a heart attack than nonsmokers, and the risk increases with the number of cigarettes smoked. Smoking also causes most cases of chronic lung disease.
Tobacco use is the LEADING cause of preventable illness and death in the United States. It causes many different cancers as well as chronic lung diseases, such as emphysema and bronchitis, and heart disease.
Cigarette smoking causes an estimated 443,000 deaths each year, including approximately 49,000 deaths due to exposure to secondhand smoke.
Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death among both men and women in the United States, and 90 percent of lung cancer deaths among men and approximately 80 percent of lung cancer deaths among women are due to smoking.
Smoking causes many other types of cancer, including cancers of the throat, mouth, nasal cavity, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, kidney, bladder, and cervix, and acute myeloid leukemia.
People who smoke are up to six times more likely to suffer a heart attack than nonsmokers, and the risk increases with the number of cigarettes smoked. Smoking also causes most cases of chronic lung disease.
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thistle
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However, none of this changes the fact that the Church does NOT teach that smoking per se is a sin. It teaches that excess smoking is a sin.
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Lasting_faith
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Yeah, I got the point, but how do you define what is too much? I smoke about a pack each day, is that in the terms of theology or in the eyes of The RCC too much? You really can’t draw a logic line here. If we look at it as a medical question, one cigarette is too much.
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Jimmygill
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It’s all about current societal norms. When I was a child my Doctor smoked in the surgery. Smoking isn’t a sin. It’s hard to find an opportunity to smoke in peace anyway lol
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Lasting_faith
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OK, so if you sneak out in the midst of a eight hour operation to take a leak, have a cup of coffee and a fag, does that mean that the doctor is not in controll or is he?
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thistle
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The Church does not define what excess smoking means.
I stopped smoking 35 years ago but while I was smoking I smoked 1 to 2 packs a day. I would call that excessive.
As a reformed smoker I agree that even one cigarette is too much. However, the Church does not call that a sin.
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Lasting_faith
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Happy to hear that you was able to quit for good. It is hard. I did try it once, six good hours, and then I did look at our family album and there was this picture from our living room and on table a box of xxxxxxx cigarettes. That was that. But as Mark Twain did say, “stop smoking is not hard, I have done it a thousand times”. Wonder though how many would smoke if it would be a sin?
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NovusAugustus
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I’m not really qualified psychologically or spiritually to determine this, but I think it would depend on your state of mind while going for the smoke. So if the person’s internal dialogue was:
“What about the surgery?”
“Who cares about the surgery, >>>>I<<<< want a cigarette.”
Then that person would be allowing smoking to determine his morality.
One thing we haven’t mentioned yet is that addiction and force of habit can both lessen sinful culpability, however. What I have been saying is more related to the problems of people who don’t smoke, smoke occasionally, or beginning to smoke. For long-time, heavy smokers, the level of addiction and other factors probably make a difference in violating the Catechism.
Finally, I would urge you not to panic because “excess smoking” seems like a minor sin at most, especially because the Catechism doesn’t even give a full sentence to it.
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fred_conty
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What about bad example to the children. How many times have I heard people say “you shouldn’t smoke” to someone, but especially to the youth. If they see us, and they know that smoking is bad, what do they take away from that? It begins with the capitol letter H…
We say one thing and do another? How many want your children to do this? Do you tell them that it isn’t a sin? Don’t you say it is wrong? Or at least unhealthy?
The reason I brought up especially second hand smoking is that it violates charity to those around us. It is bad enough to do it to oneself, but to others?
I understand when someone has a big problem quitting. But to deny it is wrong, that is a bigger problem. The insurance rate on a smoker goes up as well. And all our insurance is higher because of smoking since it causes health problems which demands treatment in/out of the hospital.
Employers do not allow it any more, and even bars are not permitted smoking. Why? If its harmless, then why?
We don’t ignore abortions, how can we ignore the other 1/2 million unnecessary deaths a year?
We are so careful how we treat our air so we don’t have the greenhouse effect. Shouldn’t we be just as careful how we treat our air in our homes, cars, and work places?
I know what some must be thinking, look to the log in your own eye or something similar.
But I’m not addressing any individual, just the issue. Just as I would address abortion or any other issue.
Catholics especially should be models for others. Are we evangelizing when we smoke?
And especially we should consider the children who come first.
We say one thing and do another? How many want your children to do this? Do you tell them that it isn’t a sin? Don’t you say it is wrong? Or at least unhealthy?
The reason I brought up especially second hand smoking is that it violates charity to those around us. It is bad enough to do it to oneself, but to others?
I understand when someone has a big problem quitting. But to deny it is wrong, that is a bigger problem. The insurance rate on a smoker goes up as well. And all our insurance is higher because of smoking since it causes health problems which demands treatment in/out of the hospital.
Employers do not allow it any more, and even bars are not permitted smoking. Why? If its harmless, then why?
We don’t ignore abortions, how can we ignore the other 1/2 million unnecessary deaths a year?
We are so careful how we treat our air so we don’t have the greenhouse effect. Shouldn’t we be just as careful how we treat our air in our homes, cars, and work places?
I know what some must be thinking, look to the log in your own eye or something similar.
But I’m not addressing any individual, just the issue. Just as I would address abortion or any other issue.
Catholics especially should be models for others. Are we evangelizing when we smoke?
And especially we should consider the children who come first.
“Jesus, help me to want to quit.” Just keep saying it and it will come true.
May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.
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Lasting_faith
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Try to stand up with your back a bit bended forward and look thru magnifiying glasses and make sure your hand is steady all the time for eight hours or sometimes longer. It is in the best interest for the patient that you, when possible, if possible, take a short break.
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Robert_Sock
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Doing anything that intentionally harms your body is a sin. This would include smoking.
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Lasting_faith
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This is may be off topic, but driving may cause you bodily harm, so can most sports do, the air is maybe not so clean all the time…so what is safe? How to live without harming your body? Stop eating, drinking, breathing, driving, stay away from soccer and ice-hockey, the list in endless. Smoking is a sin when The Church say it is. And now I want a cup of coffee (black and strong but without sugar, that harms your teeth) and a ciggy.
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