why is sunday instead of saturday the sabboth?

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Secondly… I am confused why you said to “drop” the prophetess reference below, when speaking of Ellen White. The Adventist Church claims that EGW had the gift of prophecy. If one has the gift of prophecy why would you not call her a prophetess?
I don’t understand why you are confused. it is quite simple: EGW never called herself a porphet. What part of that doesn’t make sense?

Personally, I say that since she never called herself a prophet then neither should anyone else.
 
Happily Catholic…

In Adventist literature, the 10 Commandments are the law of God, the Mosaic law is the ceremonial laws, therefore it is a conversation about the Mosaic law and the Law of God when dealing with Adventism.

Second, you say that there is a huge difference between these two… The only difference is in their mode of delivery, not in their source, authority, or authorship, your position is indefensible from scripture. The Jews and scripture only speak of one LAW… the Law of God. The book and tablets together were one law, the Mitzvah, the 613 commands of God given in the Torah.

The Ten Commandments are binding as moral teachings on us… but not strictly as a law. If they are, then you must keep the Seventh-Day Sabbath, there is no way around it.

Furthermore, the Sabbath is implicitly and explicitly taught in what you would term the mosaic law.

Look here and you will find that Christianity considers the Ten Commandments as PART of the Mosaic law…

answers.com/topic/mosaic-law

Adventists have redefined this to mean the laws other than the 10 Commandments.
Wow, your answer sounds really SDA. Doug Bachelor would wholeheartedly agree with you. Are you sure you’ve made a coversion? I don’t mean this sarcasticly, but as catholics we believe the Commandments were written by The Hand of God and given to Moses by God Himself. We believe that the Law of Moses was divinely inspired by God, but nevertheless written by Moses and that makes a huge difference. That is why the Old Law was done away and that is why SDA’s will not separate it.

The Commandments were reitereated in the NT and the Law of Moses was said by Paul to be set aside and not binding on Christians. Obviously Paul was relaying a huge difference as well.

The Commandments were contained in the Mosaic Law, but renaming it God’s Law doesn’t change what it is. It is ALL God’s law. It was The Law of Moses that contained the Ten Commandments as set forth by God.

This is why as catholics we have no trouble discerning which part of the OT to follow and which part was nailed to the cross. The Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and the Ten Commandments which were just as much a part of the NT are to be kept.
 
There is nothing about pork or shell fish, etc. that make one “impure.”
There’s nothing about any meat that makes you impure. Jesus Himself said it’s what comes out of your mouth that makes you impure, not what you put into it.

Why do you pick out the doctrine of unclean meats. Do your females go into church while menstrating? This is also a time of impurity. Sorry about being graphic.

I just don’t understand why SDAs chose this one doctrine of all the “clean-unclean” doctrine.
 
I don’t understand why you are confused. it is quite simple: EGW never called herself a porphet. What part of that doesn’t make sense?

Personally, I say that since she never called herself a prophet then neither should anyone else.
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Hi Djconklin,

That isn’t good logic you know? She never called herself a nut either, but don’t people have a right to their opinion? They do don’t they? I say they can say anything they want. Now if they are trying to prove that she was a prophet that would be a different thing. She surly wasn’t that. Saying something doesn’t make it true. Point in case 22 October 1844.**
 
There’s nothing about any meat that makes you impure. Jesus Himself said it’s what comes out of your mouth that makes you impure, not what you put into it.

Why do you pick out the doctrine of unclean meats. Do your females go into church while menstrating? This is also a time of impurity. Sorry about being graphic.

I just don’t understand why SDAs chose this one doctrine of all the “clean-unclean” doctrine.
**Psss, EGW was a vegetarian!😃 **
 
Happily:

Brandon is absolutely correct. The SDAs have to keep the “Law of God” and the “Law of Moses” separate. If they don’t keep the two separate, they cannot say that all of the Jewish festivals and hoy days were done away with and still keep the Sabbath as part of their religion.

The Jews on the other hand saw what the SDAs consider the “Law of God” and the “Law of Moses” as all ONE LAW. So when Paul is writing about the abolishment of the Law the SDAs jump up and say but that was only Moses’ Law. In fact, Paul was referring to the ONE LAW, as a Jew he saw no separation.

Marsha
 
Hi Djconklin,

That isn’t good logic you know? She never called herself a nut either, but don’t people have a right to their opinion? They do don’t they? I say they can say anything they want. Now if they are trying to prove that she was a prophet that would be a different thing. She surly wasn’t that. Saying something doesn’t make it true. Point in case 22 October 1844.
What is going on here, some kind of SDA revolution? They act as though they’ve never considered her even relevent.

I’m telling you, remember Doug Bachelor. He’s their next EGW. He’s going to take them into a more mainstream Christian direction.
 
The Ten Commandments are binding as moral teachings on us… but not strictly as a law.
If you do not believe the Commandments to be as binding as “law”, why do you go to confession. I assume you do, don’t you?

It sounds to me like you are a little torn between the faiths.

I mean that respectfully, not judgmentally, Lord knows I’m not perfect either.
 
What is going on here, some kind of SDA revolution? They act as though they’ve never considered her even relevent.

I’m telling you, remember Doug Bachelor. He’s their next EGW. He’s going to take them into a more mainstream Christian direction.
The SDA denomination is going through changes. The pioneers of the denomination were semi-arians, but in order to be considered “main-stream” Protestant they managed to show that “oh, yes, we’re Trinitarians”.

Then the denomination was labelled as anti-catholic, and we all know that is true. SDA eschatology demands they be anti-catholic. But then their GC President testified in court and suddenly they weren’t anti-Catholic anymore. See the link below.

adventist.org/beliefs/statements/main_stat42.html

Depending on location, SDAs can now wear jewelry and make-up. Some individual SDA churches have broken from the denomination and actually become congregational churches. Many independent SDA ministries have begun along with home churches because they feel like the General Conference has become entirely too wordly/tolerant.

Just as the Mormons stopped polygamy and began allowing minorities in the Temple, so the SDAs have altered practices as times require. This is very difficult for the long time SDAs.

Marsha
 
I never said that the pastor was all-knowing–your “point” is pointless. It was simply an example of how SDA’s are not anti-catholic–if they were, no pastor (and there has been more than one) would have said such a thing.
Actually, DJ your pastor’s comment is proof of just the complete opposite. What he was basically saying was that because these idol worshipping sinners are doing the best they can they will be saved before the chosen who are slacking off. His comment was a paraphrase of Jesus’s statement that tax collectors and prostitutes would enter the kingdom before the scribes and pharisees. Jesus was still anti-prostitution and anti-theft, even though he loved the prostitutes and the tax collectors/thieves. Your pastor’s comment was still anti-catholic, even though he may love Catholic individuals.

But if a person is against my Church then he is against me. The Church is the Body of Christ and Christ is its Head. To be against the Church is to be against Christ. The Church is the Bride of Christ. To be against the Church is to be against her Spouse.

Marsha
 
The sabbath was observed on saturday until the 3rd century A.D. when all religions in rome were merged together. Scripture also tells us not to worry about new moons, festivals, sabbath days because they are a shadow of things to come.
I don’t know what you have been reading, or hearing, but “all religions in rome” were not “merged together” in the 3rd century. This is a load of hoooey!
 
I don’t know what you have been reading, or hearing, but “all religions in rome” were not “merged together” in the 3rd century. This is a load of hoooey!
Whew! I thought I’d missed something really huge! 😃

Not that it would be the first time. 😊
 
Happily,
Haha… I very much converted, anyone on here, Marsha, Protestant101, DJConklin (from past conversations), MarysRoses, etc…etc… can attest to that… LOL

You said that SDA’s will not seperate between the two laws, that is incorrect, SDA’s VERY MUCH make a distinction between the two laws, that is the problem.

We interpret the law through the New Covenant, the Gospel, which is why we, as Catholics, follow the moral precept of the Sabbath without following the ceremonial precept of the same commandments (Keeping the 7th day Sabbath).

Was the Law eternal? No, the Law is not eternal. Galatians 3:19 gives the purpose of the Law. It says: “What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.” The law was given 430 years after Abraham according to scripture, if it was not given until 430 years after Abraham then it was not something known prior to the Exodus, and is not eternal. “What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.” Galatians
3:17-18.

The Law had a definite beginning time (430 years after Abraham) and a definite ending time, --When the promised Seed (Christ, vs. 19) came.

This does not mean we are not under a law, we are under the New Covenant Law, which in addition the the commands set forth for Christians in the NT, include the Church laws. The moral precept (time to worship God) is fulfilled by the NT Church in Sunday. But we dont observe Saturday as the Ten Commandments dictate because we are not under the ceremonial injunction of the law, but instead the Moral obligation of the Law.

In Luke 2:21-24,39 - The law of Moses (v22) is called the law of the Lord (v23,24,39). This law included a purification rite and animal sacrifices. These were clearly done away (cf. Lev. 12:2-8). Hence, the law of the Lord is the same as the Law of Moses, and it contains things that were done away. Again, in 2 Chron. 31:2-4 the “law of God” included animal sacrifices, new moons, and feast days, which we know were done away.

There is no distinction between the law of God and the Law of Moses. In scripture, it was both God’s law because He originated it, and Moses’ law because he revealed it (Neh. 10:29).

We cannot ignore the 10 Commandments, we are told that we must obey them, but we obey the moral commands, not the ceremonial aspect of the same, we interpret this through the New Covenant relationship of Christ and the Church.

Does that help any?
Wow, your answer sounds really SDA. Doug Bachelor would wholeheartedly agree with you. Are you sure you’ve made a coversion? I don’t mean this sarcasticly, but as catholics we believe the Commandments were written by The Hand of God and given to Moses by God Himself. We believe that the Law of Moses was divinely inspired by God, but nevertheless written by Moses and that makes a huge difference. That is why the Old Law was done away and that is why SDA’s will not separate it.

The Commandments were reitereated in the NT and the Law of Moses was said by Paul to be set aside and not binding on Christians. Obviously Paul was relaying a huge difference as well.

The Commandments were contained in the Mosaic Law, but renaming it God’s Law doesn’t change what it is. It is ALL God’s law. It was The Law of Moses that contained the Ten Commandments as set forth by God.

This is why as catholics we have no trouble discerning which part of the OT to follow and which part was nailed to the cross. The Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and the Ten Commandments which were just as much a part of the NT are to be kept.
 
If you do not believe the Commandments to be as binding as “law”, why do you go to confession. I assume you do, don’t you?

It sounds to me like you are a little torn between the faiths.

I mean that respectfully, not judgmentally, Lord knows I’m not perfect either.
Happily,
I go to confession because it is commanded under the New Covenant, because I sin, and because it is commanded by the Church (again under the New Covenant. I do not do it because of the 10 Commandments. I use the moral precepts of the 10 Commandments as part of my examination of conscious, but the New Covenant goes far beyond that. For example the obligation of Sunday and holy days.
 
Trust me… Pastor Bachelor would hardly agree with me 😉
Wow, your answer sounds really SDA. Doug Bachelor would wholeheartedly agree with you. Are you sure you’ve made a coversion? I don’t mean this sarcasticly, but as catholics we believe the Commandments were written by The Hand of God and given to Moses by God Himself. We believe that the Law of Moses was divinely inspired by God, but nevertheless written by Moses and that makes a huge difference. That is why the Old Law was done away and that is why SDA’s will not separate it.

The Commandments were reitereated in the NT and the Law of Moses was said by Paul to be set aside and not binding on Christians. Obviously Paul was relaying a huge difference as well.

The Commandments were contained in the Mosaic Law, but renaming it God’s Law doesn’t change what it is. It is ALL God’s law. It was The Law of Moses that contained the Ten Commandments as set forth by God.

This is why as catholics we have no trouble discerning which part of the OT to follow and which part was nailed to the cross. The Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and the Ten Commandments which were just as much a part of the NT are to be kept.
 
I don’t understand why you are confused. it is quite simple: EGW never called herself a porphet. What part of that doesn’t make sense?

Personally, I say that since she never called herself a prophet then neither should anyone else.
DJ,
She said her work encompassed much more than that of a prophet… that would necessarily include the role of prophet. Others in your church, from top to bottom, recognize this role she played in the Church, I still don’t understand why you are so opposed to it.
 
Nope. Can you show me where it says they wore underwear, where they washed their hands after going, where the words “trinity” and “monogamy” are used in Scripture?

The Bible says that only two of every unclean animal was taken into the Ark at the time of the Flood–every Bible student knows that (and the above).
DJ ,
Why would I find you a verse for any of the above… I never made the positive claim that any of those things happened. You however did make the claim.

Taking clean and unclean animals had nothing to do with food, it was about sacrifices. They sacrificed clean animals, if they only had two and killed one… that would be the end of that species. 😉

Noah and his followers were told they could eat anything.(Genesis 9:3-5), God told them: “Anything that lives and moves will be food for you”. There is no exception for pork, 😉
 
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