Why is the mantilla (specifically) so popular among US traditional Catholics?

[Sarcelle]

This is why I will avoid going to this mass.

A reverential NO mass is good enough for me.

 

[dochawk]

Normally I use 1 bobby pin but use 2 occasionally. 1 on my crown like this ( - ) and 1 on my forehead like this ( | ).

wait a minute, you don’t form a cross with them?



Of course, I’m always confused at outside liturgy if I’m not serving, not sure whether my hat should be off or on . . .

That just tells me, “We don’t care how far you came here or where you came from, you’re not dressed well enough for our Mass”.

was it Johny Paycheck or Kris Kristopherson that sang that song about being turned away at the door of the church (or perhaps Kristoferson wrote it and Paycheck sang it?)

A reverential NO mass is good enough for me.

“It was good enough for Pope John Paul, and it’s good enough for me!”

 

[Anne1964]

If you’re curious about what a Latin Mass is like don’t let the way you dress deter you. A Diocesan Latin Mass is usually more relaxed about dress then the FSSP parishes.

At the diocesan Latin Mass I attend many women wear slacks and quite a few do not wear a mantilla or hat. No one says anything.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

For me it hides the sides if my viewing area so i can lesson distractions.

I agree, it helps me too.

 

[catholic03]

Bravo!

15+ years ago, I was invited to an Orthodox Baptism/Chrismation/First Communion. The lady who invited me plus many of the other ladies wore veils, hats or head scarves.

Indeed, it truly does. Bishop Schneider, the great defender of Catholic Truth in our confused world, has talked about how much respect he has for the piety of many Eastern Orthodox Christians he knows in his country (Kazakhstan, where most Christians are Orthodox). He has said that many Eastern Christians (Orthodox and Eastern Catholic) are shocked when they see some of the things allowed in the Latin Church these days, such as communion on the hand, unveiled women, etc (that is not a criticism of either practice or those who follow them, just an observation).

 

[DarkLight]

AnaCarolina7:

For me it hides the sides if my viewing area so i can lesson distractions.

I agree, it helps me too.

I envy your ability to not be equally distracted by the fabric.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

Thank you.

 

[Maximian]

It was never considered bad for a woman to have a little hat on

Absolutely right, and not only in church but indoors.

Hats indoors or in church are bad manners for men because they represent a helmet.

 

[Maximian]

A Diocesan Latin Mass is usually more relaxed about dress then the FSSP parishes.

At our SSPX Mass there is the whole range, from women in trouser suits with head uncovered, to women in long skirts with Mantillas.

The only comment anyone made about dress concerhed a man who arrived in bermudas and sandals.

 

[AnaCarolina7]

Its justwhat we do for mass and prayer.

 

[MNathaniel]

I think it is really great to see veiled women, because it shows their deep respect for Our Lord.

So, are you saying that women that don’t wear a veil do not show “deep respect for God?”

No, I am not. I simply think it is a sign that they do show deep respect. I have got no problem with non-veiled women, especially as the revised Code of Canon Law notes that women need not cover at Mass.

Well, you can’t have it both ways… If wearing one shows deep respect, how does not wearing one show deep respect as well?

One can have deep respect for something without necessarily showing it. I can have deep respect for my parish priest without kissing his hand before Mass, but on the other hand kissing his hand would be a sign of the deep respect I have.

So it is all about the outward appearance then.

I don’t think affirming a positive always implies a corresponding negative. E.g. saying that a student shows their respect for a professor in part by using the title ‘Doctor’ or ‘Mrs’, doesn’t imply that another student is disrespectful if they call that professor by their first name. Many professors invite students to call them by their first names. Most professors recognize some students still find it culturally important to show respect in part through using their formal title, whereas other students show their respect without using the title. Neither group can be called inherently ‘more’ respectful without examining more details of how the students interact with the professor, but I think it’s pretty uncontroversial to acknowledge that honorific titles are one systematic way of showing respect.

Perhaps it’s similar with veiling. Veiling is one systematic way of showing one’s respect for God. That doesn’t imply it’s the only way, or that women who don’t veil are disrespecting God.

Basically, it seems like probably a mistake to me to suggest that title-users believe first-name-users lack respect for an authority figure. Similarly, it seems like a mistake to me to suggest that veilers believe non-veilers disrespect God.

Unless a person from either camp actually says that, of course. And sometimes I bet they do. But no idea is responsible for the variety of people who associate with it, and the person you were speaking to specifically said that’s not her position.

 

[AnaCarolina7]

My hair is long so its the same

 

[AnaCarolina7]

I go to mass for Jesus and dont have ro explain things

 

[catholic03]

Perhaps it’s similar with veiling. Veiling is one systematic way of showing one’s respect for God. That doesn’t imply it’s the only way, or that women who don’t veil are disrespecting God.

Quite right, and I think it is intellectually and theologically dishonest to disregard something that was required by the law of the Church until 1983.

 

[DarkLight]

I admit that some days squirrel-brain wins out at Mass over my desire to pay attention to Jesus. I am not the most focused person in general.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I admit that some days squirrel-brain wins out at Mass over my desire to pay attention to Jesus.

That’s “many days” for me, since my area decided to do away with the only two afternoon Masses they had on weekdays. Almost every church now has daily Mass at some time between 6:30 am and 8 am, and I am barely awake at those hours, especially since I usually don’t have time to drink any coffee while observing the 1 hour fast. One church only has a later Mass at 9 am, and I have to drive several miles in rush hour traffic to get there.

I’ll be glad when the pandemic dies down and the 4:30 pm daily Mass comes back at the place that used to have it.

 

[Jen95]

Admittedly it’s a bit much. To attend the TLM, I have to drive for an hour. I live in a rural area and am unmarried. If I get into a car accident, I don’t want to be getting out of my car and dealing with everything while wearing a dress and dress shoes. So I wear (nice) jeans and closed shoes. Unless these guys are going to drive out to my car accident and scoop me out of the wreckage, I don’t want to hear how my clothes are not respectful to God. That just tells me, “We don’t care how far you came here or where you came from, you’re not dressed well enough for our Mass”.

Wow. How often do you get in car accidents? You could wear comfy shoes (and bring fancier shoes) which I would do if I had to drive for an hour anyway.

 

[DarkLight]

I’ve mentioned to people here before that I have attended mass at various times coming directly off of overnight shift work. Which meant tennis shoes, cargo pants, and a polo - pretty much all from the boy’s department and all somewhat dirty. I was using public transit so taking a change of clothes was out. Since then I always want to ask parishes if I would be welcome?

 

[Jen95]

I’ve mentioned to people here before that I have attended mass at various times coming directly off of overnight shift work. Which meant tennis shoes, cargo pants, and a polo - pretty much all from the boy’s department and all somewhat dirty. I was using public transit so taking a change of clothes was out. Since then I always want to ask parishes if I would be welcome?

Just for the sake of arguing , why is a change of clothes “out” due to public transit? I’m not talking about a long gown in a garment bag, but what about a skirt, top, and flats that could be brought in a relatively small bag? Or just clean pants, top and flats? Might be wrinkly but it’s seems like a reasonable compromise solution?

 

[Fauken]

Wow. How often do you get in car accidents?

Not very. But when you see twelve deer carcasses on the side of the road during this time of year, you worry. Bad things don’t always happen, but that doesn’t mean I can ignore them.

You could wear comfy shoes (and bring fancier shoes) which I would do if I had to drive for an hour anyway.

Fair enough.