Why is the West losing Christians?

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Karl Marx called religion the opiate of the masses. He’s probably right. Put a shirt on a man’s back, a roof over his head and money in his pocket, and he finds he no longer needs God.
Maybe he was right. But he was the pot caling the kettle black because Socialism is even more an opiate for the masses. It provides simple answers to complex questions and it promises a paradise o earth if only you obey the masters.

Socialism is not only a religion with God left out, but it is also with the theology, logic, structure and consistency left out. It dumbs down to the lowest common denominator.
 
Socialism is not only a religion with God left out, but it is also with the theology, logic, structure and consistency left out. It dumbs down to the lowest common denominator.
How do you define “religion”?
 
I think people leave because they just don’t believe the narrative. Given what they know of science, history and their own life experience, the stories don’t add up.

If the stories don’t add up, they figure the theology based on the stories is bogus as well.
I think you are 100% correct.
 
Cite your evidence please.
I have no wish to stigmatize homosexual people and suggest they are suffering from disorders or mental illnesses simply for being homosexual.
But what if they really are disordered tendencies, and the push to reclassify them was based not on developments in science and psychology, but rather on social pressures?

An analogous situation would be if schizophrenia were reclassified as a life choice simply because enough people, or the “right people,” were involved in the classification process.

This is essentially what happened with homosexuality. There was no new information, no new science, no new medical discovery that drove the redefinition. It was purely the result of external pressures to change it.

It was in there for a reason, as such tendencies operate in direct conflict with the natural operation of human biology, like most other disordered inclination. The fact that this behavior has now become socially accepted doesn’t change that underlying reality.

Our goal isn’t to ostracize, it is to live in accordance with reality. Those actions violate the underlying principles of human biology, and therefore are contra-normal. They showcase a faulty development in how we understand human nature and human sexuality, and they attempt to elevate an act which is contrary to human biology to the same level as one which is fundamental to almost all species.
 
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I was there. I saw how things worked in real time. I also watched the dismantling of something that was very good - not perfect - into the travesty being marketed today. Contraceptives and the related marketing campaign, are wrong. The false and idiotic idea that women felt like breeding machines is simply that. False. I don’t like seeing women being harmed.

The world that I saw being created for the masses is 100% wrong. And, thank God, some people realize that. The planned replacement is worse than any imagined scenario.
 
I’d suggest that those who fear about “losing Christians” to make a point to attend the Easter Vigil when new people will be welcomed into the Church. Read your Diocese paper/website about last Sunday’s “Rite of Welcome” and see numbers who are coming in.

The gates of hell will not prevail.
 
Homosexuality and transgender tendencies weren’t discovered recently. Before 1973, Homosexuality was listed as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Being Transgender was listed as a disorder until 2013. The change in diagnosis for the latter was actively campaigned for:
Yes, LGBT people campaigned against a diagnosis that said that they were mentally ill because they knew it wasn’t true. Most of the old psychiatric literature on homosexuality was based on Freudian psychology which has been discredited.
 
Losing Christians. But then you have us people who have found nothing else to be fulfilling and who, having left the church, have felt moved to come back to the church. In my case, I came to the Catholic Church, though I wasn’t Catholic before. Then I was out of the church for decades. But I needed more. And I wanted more. I joined the Catholic church, along with many others. We filled a big cathedral two Sundays in a row. So, there are many who are realizing that their lives are empty and they want and need more. They realize that what they need is God in their lives. And they meet others who are saying that they need more, too. Some people coming to the Catholic church are returnees, like a friend of mine. Others are like me, coming to where we should have been all along. We can only hope that others decide to come (back) to the church, and hopefully they won’t all wait till they are old crocks like me. But eventually, I think, many of us do realize that we need to ask ourselves whether all of this stuff we are buying is making our lives wonderful. We need to think about where we are going to spend eternity. So, even while people are leaving, people are joining. So I have hope that there will be a turnaround, with more people coming to the church and maybe fewer embracing their electronic gadgets in favor of something more substantial and satisfying.
 
The West seems to be filled with lots of narcissistic folks (obsessed with social media, etc.) and it’s very much an instant gratification society. Humbling yourself before God goes against this. Just my two cents.
 
Are you suggesting homosexuality be treated as a mental disease as it was prior to 1973? Because up until the DSM was changed in 1973 it was genuinely treated as a disease by mental health doctors.

Do you consider it a mental disease that requires treatment? If not, why are you bringing up the DSM? The DSM is meant to be used as a guide for navigating mental illnesses and treatments for said mental illnesses. The DSM isn’t a church document. The DSM isn’t an encyclical.
 
Schizophrenia isn’t analagous to homosexuality. Schizophrenia requires mental healthcare and psychiatric drug treatment. Homosexuality can’t be treated. I know a thing or two about homosexuality because I myself am gay. But I also live according to Church teaching. What the DSM has to say on homosexuality is utterly irrelevant. Whether it’s listed as a mental illness or not you are commanded to treat gay people with respect and without discrimination or malice. You’re attempting to connect two different things that don’t necessarily follow one another
 
Schizophrenia isn’t analagous to homosexuality. Schizophrenia requires mental healthcare and psychiatric drug treatment. Homosexuality can’t be treated. I know a thing or two about homosexuality because I myself am gay. But I also live according to Church teaching. What the DSM has to say on homosexuality is utterly irrelevant. Whether it’s listed as a mental illness or not you are commanded to treat gay people with respect and without discrimination or malice. You’re attempting to connect two different things that don’t necessarily follow one another
Perhaps those who think that the APA was wrong to change the DSM want to go back to treatments for homosexuality like one that was presented at the 1973 meeting of the American Psychiatric Association at a program entitled “Issues on Sexuality,” by a doctor named Nathaniel McConaghy who read a paper about his research to change gay men’s sexual orientation:
With apomorphine therapy, the patient was given injections of apomorphine after which he viewed slides of naked males while experiencing the resultant nausea. With aversion-relief, the patient received painful electric shocks after reading aloud phrases describing aspects of homosexual behavior. Following a series of shocks, he read aloud a phrase describing an aspect of heterosexual behavior, and this time not followed by a shock…
 
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Right speech also includes the abstaining from abusive, vulgar, and obscene speech, including for example, the f word. Of course, what we see today, as exemplified in the quote above,
You lied. You said someone used actual f word when they didn’t. If they did, they’d be banned or at minimum the post would be removed. Now your pride is kicking in and refuses to concede your mistake. Your post is example of why people are leaving the faith - rank hypocrisy - someone lying as they pretend to stand for “right speech”
 
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Schizophrenia isn’t analagous to homosexuality. Schizophrenia requires mental healthcare and psychiatric drug treatment.
Homosexuality can’t be treated. I know a thing or two about homosexuality because I myself am gay.
I encourage you to look up the vast repository of “ex-gay” testimonies that show this to be untrue.
But I also live according to Church teaching.
That’s awesome, it really is. I know that must be hard.
What the DSM has to say on homosexuality is utterly irrelevant. Whether it’s listed as a mental illness or not you are commanded to treat gay people with respect and without discrimination or malice.
I agree with you, at least about having to treat everyone with respect. The thing is, I do believe it is a mental illness, or at least a disordered inclination. I also believe that it is not an intrinsic state, and that the most respectful, loving thing I can do is treat it for what it is.
With apomorphine therapy, the patient was given injections of apomorphine after which he viewed slides of naked males while experiencing the resultant nausea. With aversion-relief, the patient received painful electric shocks after reading aloud phrases describing aspects of homosexual behavior. Following a series of shocks, he read aloud a phrase describing an aspect of heterosexual behavior, and this time not followed by a shock…
We believe in counseling and psychological assistance, not torture. Aversion therapy has been denounced by pretty much everyone, regardless of which side of the debate you are on.
 
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