Why is the west so fascinated by the Dalai Lama?

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I don’t get why he attracts crowds. The religion he leads isn’t very big and it isn’t compatible with the Christian standards of the West. I find it dangerous when people of weak faith and who weren’t reared in Christianity open themselves too much to the Dalai Lama because then they start promiting things like reincarnation. I’ve seen it happen so many times, people dabble in other foods in the buffets of religion, and they ignore the great, rich, fulfilling food already in front of them (how do you like my metaphor?). They end up abandoning the truths of their religion for the sake of, well, paganism.

John Safran did an interesting segment on how people perceive the Pope versus the Dalai Lama. You can see it here youtube.com/watch?v=kstH-8jwa80

Safran quotes teachings and has people guess if it comes from the Dalai Lama or the Pope. People always guessed incorrectly that the statement came from the Pope. Why? Because the Pope has the reputation of being a dinosaur and the Dalai Lama is considered hip. Hollywood would be more sympathetic to Dalai Lama than they would be to Benedict XVI, and often the media portrayals against the Holy Father are just downright dishonest (think of all the allegations of him being a Nazi). It’s Pope No, Dalai Lama Yes.

The Dalai Lama is visiting where I am right now and he’s getting a lot of good media attention and is attracting crowds, but really, would the people going to cheer him on even agree with what he teaches? I don’t think so. And it’s like this everywhere.

So it begs the question: why is the West so fascinated by the Dalai Lama? The only guess I can make is that some celebrities supported him, it got good media attention, so he won a lot of sympathy. But is that a good guess? Will the very short list of B and C actors really shoot Dalai Lama to celebrity status?
Grande,

I believe lots of the fascination is the way he was made leader. It has to do with finding a child that identifies things from the past leader that is dead. I also believe it has lots to do with Dali being in exhile from China and continuing to work in exile from Tibet. The exile thing has lots to do with him.
 
Grande,

I believe lots of the fascination is the way he was made leader. It has to do with finding a child that identifies things from the past leader that is dead. I also believe it has lots to do with Dali being in exhile from China and continuing to work in exile from Tibet. The exile thing has lots to do with him.
The Dalai Lama now has bit of competition from Myanmar with Aung San Suu Kyi. 😛

MJ
 
Grande,

I believe lots of the fascination is the way he was made leader. It has to do with finding a child that identifies things from the past leader that is dead. I also believe it has lots to do with Dali being in exhile from China and continuing to work in exile from Tibet. The exile thing has lots to do with him.
I’m not sure, however, that mot people are aware of the selection process of how he was made leader. It’s not as famous as our Conclave. I for one didn’t even know until I had a university class.

Btw Are you Coptic Catholic or Coptic Orthodox? I think it’s unfortunate how the adversities struggled by the Copts goes pretty much unnoticed by the West. I’d support Pope Shenouda any day.
 
I’m not sure, however, that mot people are aware of the selection process of how he was made leader. It’s not as famous as our Conclave. I for one didn’t even know until I had a university class.

Btw Are you Coptic Catholic or Coptic Orthodox? I think it’s unfortunate how the adversities struggled by the Copts goes pretty much unnoticed by the West. I’d support Pope Shenouda any day.
Catholic not Orthodox however I do love the Orthodox thought process.🙂
 
I had a double major, Religious Studies concentration in Christian Studies (I just say Christian Studies) and Historical/Political Studies. I went to a Catholic university and the religious studies classes are required of everyone redgardless of major.

Anyway even though I took Christian Studies as a major, they made us take non-Christian religion classes. I hated it totally. I get that the point is for us to have tolerance of other religions, but I just plain didn’t care.
Ah, interesting. Well, I think it is good to have some knowledge so you can meet others where they are, so to speak, but bowing in front of other altars or gods should not be required.
The Dalai Lama visited here earlier this week, which is what got me wondering, why all the hype. The Coptic Pope visited here too some years ago and people barely paid attention. There was a story in the paper and that was it. And like a previous user mentioned, he was also persecuted in his homeland by the Islamic government. Ironically the Copts in our community were persecuted as well because people thought they were Muslim.
The Dalai Lama:
-persecuted
-speaks of peace
The Coptic Pope
-persecuted
-speaks of peace
-BUT is of our faith and heritage
You just wanna yell, forget the hype for a second and remember where your priorities are, folks.
It is frustrating to me, too, that many in the West don’t care much about the decimation of Christians in the Middle East. It’s not cool" to say anything about Muslim persecution of Christians. On the other hand, it is politically correct to support the DL.
 
Thinking more about the Coptic Pope and the Dalai Lama, their goals are different, therefore their “audience” is different.

The DL, being an exile, had to use his diplomacy and charm to bring his people’s attention to the world, to get political clout, and I assume to raise money for the exiles. He sought and gained a sort of celebrity status.

The Coptic Pope has one goal: to get space for his people to survive and live as Christians.
Pope Shenouda’s diplomacy was aimed at the Muslim majority and Muslim government where he lived. He believed that seeking attention from Westerners would backfire on his flock.
 
Yeah, that was my point. Pretty much all religions point to the same thing.
I meant to respond to this before. Sorry for backtracking. I don’t think all religions point to the same thing. What Kouyate said was the tenets are similar, in other words, the teachings about ethics, but that is completely different thing.

If we are talking about ***religion, ***only the coming of Christ was pre-announced; Christ is God come down to man, and other religions are man seeking God. Christianity is very different from any other religion.

Here is an article by the always-interesting Dr. Kreeft: Comparing Christianity & Buddhism
 
I meant to respond to this before. Sorry for backtracking. I don’t think all religions point to the same thing. What Kouyate said was the tenets are similar, in other words, the teachings about ethics, but that is completely different thing.

If we are talking about ***religion, ***only the coming of Christ was pre-announced; Christ is God come down to man, and other religions are man seeking God. Christianity is very different from any other religion.

Here is an article by the always-interesting Dr. Kreeft: Comparing Christianity & Buddhism
This is a good link and worthy of a good read and to be meditated upon.I also like your previous observation on how the Dalai Lama sought out and cultivated the Westerm Media to his cause.I believe that he like Blessed John Paul 11, have shown wonderful charismatic type personalities.I think that Blessed Mother Teresa also is this mold in certain ways(for her poor).I would attribute to these three, the following–they were/are zealous(for Christ regarding the latter two),available,helpful,humble,transparent,benevolent,persevering in the good,even optimistic! I would just like to quote just the last few lines of your provided link of Dr.Kreeft;he is a person I admire, as his writings are always spot -on.

"** And surely we Westerners, whose very lives and economic systems are based on greed, need to hear Buddha when he speaks about what he knows and what we have forgotten.

But Buddhists even more desperately need to hear what they do not know: the news about God and His love."**

Maybe The Coptic Leader has not got a Charismatic type of personality,even if he might be a holy person?I just think it is mean spirited for us catholics to be annoyed, when The Dalai Lama gets a good press and our leaders do not always get it.I mean we all follow Christ on The Cross, who rose from the dead on the third day.Why should we expect the world(our secular press),the flesh("gay-rights’ activists) and the devil(the evil one) to rejoice when The Holy Father reminds the world(especially the catholic believers) to oppose same sex marriage and if not, they will risk loosing their freedom!!

As can be seen from this photo–Blessed John Paul had at on his left side,his friend The Dalai Lama amongst other leaders of non christian sects & our separated christian brothers and sisters.Why should we be more “catholic” than the Pope"?

Why not follow this example and that of our present Holy Father Benedict, who still goes to the Assissi world religions gatherings, in his quest for world peace and better understanding and promote good will amongst different religions & belief systems.(it was the Muslims amongst others, who voted against abortion at the United Nations Meeting in Cairo and help us Catholics defeat the legislation)

Peace of the risen Christ be with you.
 
What you say is true, but I think that there is more to this attraction.I think that there is an attractive goodness in the Dalai Lama.Sure ,he represents a philosophical religion ;as against The Holy Father, who represents a belief system based on revelation.The Dalai Lama has partial truths that he reveals to our decadent western society ;but The Catholic Church holds the fullness of truth.Still,why not just embrace all the good natural qualities that eminate from the Dalai Lama, in what he says and the manner in which he acts?

The superior general, who took over Bl.Mother Teresa of Calcutta gives great witness to her Hindu parents on all those natural values of goodness that they taught her.She writes that as a teenager ,these Hindu “common” or universal virtues, were the means that God used to attract her to The Missionery Sisters and for her to embrace the fullness of God’s Love as revealed in our catholic faith.

Whilst I would jump at the chance of meeting Pope Benedict;I would still feel a certain humility in meeting a man of peace and good will in the person of the Dalai Lama.I always love listenning to these great persons, whenever I have a chance to see them on our television screens.The challenge on us catholics is to “outdo” the Dalai Lama in presenting our position on The Way,The Truth and The Life,which is The Risen and Merciful Jesus into the modern world.
I do not see him as a threat in any way,shape or form.
Completely agree. 🙂
 
I meant to respond to this before. Sorry for backtracking. I don’t think all religions point to the same thing. What Kouyate said was the tenets are similar, in other words, the teachings about ethics, but that is completely different thing.

If we are talking about ***religion, ***only the coming of Christ was pre-announced; Christ is God come down to man, and other religions are man seeking God. Christianity is very different from any other religion.

Here is an article by the always-interesting Dr. Kreeft: Comparing Christianity & Buddhism
I side with GraceSofia on that as well.

There was an atheist before who was known for being a philanthropist (we studied him in Philosophy but I don’t recall his name). He had an ethical code about philanthropy, but it was a philanthropy based on there being no God. Buddhism doesn’t even necessarily point toward God. It is possible, surprisingly, to be a Buddhist atheist.

Without God, what good is it? Sure it comes with an ethical code, but I believe that the focus is completely wrong. Christianity is a religion that looks vertically up before horizontally toward our neighbours and the world (the greatest Commandment, after all, is to love God; loving neighbour is important but it is secondary).

Lumen Gentium #16 states:
*"For they who without their own fault do not know of the Gospel of Christ and His Church, but **yet seek God *with sincere heart, and try, under the influence of grace, to carry out His will in practice, known to them through the dictate of conscience, can attain eternal salvation."

If God isn’t the focus, then there’s somethin wrong.
 
As can be seen from this photo–Blessed John Paul had at on his left side,his friend The Dalai Lama amongst other leaders of non christian sects & our separated christian brothers and sisters.Why should we be more “catholic” than the Pope"?

Why not follow this example and that of our present Holy Father Benedict, who still goes to the Assissi world religions gatherings, in his quest for world peace and better understanding and promote good will amongst different religions & belief systems.(it was the Muslims amongst others, who voted against abortion at the United Nations Meeting in Cairo and help us Catholics defeat the legislation)

Peace of the risen Christ be with you.
But the problem that many fairly have is that the fascination with the east truly can threaten people’s

Eventually, because of all the hype, you will – and already do – have Catholics who believe in reincarnation and karma because it’s hip, while Resurrection and Judgement is something dengraded toward those they will insist are fanatics (if you watch The Big Bang Theory, think of how Penny is portrayed versus how Sheldon’s Christian mom is portrayed). The media influences people’s perceptions far too much to the point where people would believe what is illogical, and the Catholic Church has been constant victim to that in the United States.

World peace is one thing, but the point here is, when those ideaologies invade a Christian culture, the fascination does pose a real threat to the Christian psyche of the nation, and the mass media is a purveyor of that. The younger generation of today would be more open to believe concepts that undermine Christian truths. I’ve seen it happen so many times before. Like that video I posted up, people have a much higher impression of the Dalai Lama than they do of the Pope – even the global superstar the great John Paul II.

I should also add that for the first Assisi meeting, Cardinal Ratziner was not on board with John Paul II. He didn’t disagree with the aim of the meetings, but he disagreed with the manner that it was being held and proper understanding of it would require much more nuance and education than the typical person would be able to comprehend.

As such, it certainly is fair for Catholics to disagree with having those meetings, if even Cardinals did, particularly a Cardinal whose job it was to deal with doctrine and later became Pope. The Assisi meeting was more of a diplomatic matter than a doctrinal one, and we’re free to disagree with how the Church leaders handle themselves in diplomatic and political activities.

After the first Assisi meeting, Ratzinger reiterated in Dominus Iesus the importance and centrality of Christ, so that people would not get the wrong idea with the Assisi meeting.

So peace and *tolerance *are one thing; undermining Christianity is another. The hype over the Dalai Lama can – and does – undermind Christianity, and ironically leaves many people feeling *intolerant *of unadulterated Christianity.
 
If I may add my own two cents’ worth here . . .

Tibetan Buddhism is its own tradition and belongs to the “Mahayana” tradition that truly does have belief in gods and a very highly ritualized religion (“Hinayana” Buddhism does not.)

Zen or “Ch’an” refers to meditation and there have been Catholic scholars who have tried to show that a “Zen Catholicism” which brings in some of the insights of Zen in terms of methodology would be of benefit to Christians e.g. Thomas Merton and Dom Aelred Graham.

What attracts the West in terms of Tibetan Buddhism and Buddhism as a whole is precisely its defining characteristic - meditation and mysticism.

We Catholics tend to be very pragmatic and “quick” about things. Our society is one where everyone is in a hurry and where people take prescription drugs to calm down.

Buddhism is part of the counter-movement, if we can call it that, where North Americans want to go back to nature, to wholesome food, a simpler way of life and calm down via meditation and contemplation.

The fact that there are those who don’t find these things in Catholicism or Christianity as a whole speaks to OUR failure in this regard and not to any perceived “threat” coming from without from someone like the Dalai Lama.

In fact, the Tibetan Buddhist tradition is actually close to Catholic and Orthodox Christianity in a number of ways. It has a highly developed sense of ritual and prayers. Tibetans always carry their prayer beads, 108 beads, and are constantly saying their mantra, “Om Mane Padme Hum” or “Hail Jewel in the Lotus.” This invocation can be found inscribed on stones throughout Tibet.

They do prostrations, have shrines and such things as prayer flags and prayer wheels. One of their shrines has 108 large prayer wheels in a circle where people walk around or “circumambulate” while pushing each wheel etc. They greet one another with “katah” or a long white cloth placed over the shoulders (and over pictures as well) - the Dalai Lama regularly placed such over the shoulders of the Pope when he met with him.

The Tibetans are a culturally and spiritually rich people who simply want the same basic rights that we all take for granted. They are true to themselves and to their traditions and are confident in their own identity. Perhaps that is why Western people find them so attractive and why others are simply jealous of them!

I love to visit my Tibet shop here and I have bought their Katas and also have one of their prayer beads and prayer counters. They know I am a Catholic and there are also Tibetan Catholics (in fact, in the ninth century, the Assyrian Church was dominant in Tibet with two Archbishops and 20 Bishops in the time of the T’ang dynasty).

I admire them and appreciate their culture. For them, matters of the spirit are more important than material things. And they live that belief every day of their lives.

The Dalai Lama is an intelligent man of deep personal culture. He is, in fact, the King of Tibet even though Tibet doesn’t have independent status.

As for Westerners going all “ga-ga” over this tradition and lose themselves in the process - that is because so many Westerners have little idea of their own faith and culture.

I wonder whose fault that is . . .

Alex
 
As for Westerners going all “ga-ga” over this tradition and lose themselves in the process - that is because so many Westerners have little idea of their own faith and culture.

I wonder whose fault that is . . .

Alex
I agree with that too. People are poorly catechised. I do think much of the blame is on the media and the American culture which both target Catholicism.

Just today, there was a news story about John Paul I on La Stampa. Back in the 1960s, he said that if Muslims want to build a mosque, it’s their right – BUT if you don’t want people turning Muslim, then you have to catechise them well (actually he specifically spoke of parents catechising their kids, but I think there is a shared responsibility by all good Catholics to catechise everyone – we all need to be apologists).

So in my view, this is exactly where the hype becomes a threat. People aren’t catechised. The famous exorcist Father Gabriel Amorth says, Where faith is weak, superstition will grow. And I think it was Chesterton who said, When you don’t believe in God, it’s not that you don’t believe in anything – it’s that you’ll believe in anything.

Poor faith and poor catechism result in this wishy-washy atmosphere. How many times have we heard people say, "I’m not religious, but I’m spiritual’? How many times have we heard people say, “I don’t think you need to go to church, just as long as you’re a good person”?

People need to get their priorities together.
 
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If we are talking about ***religion, ***only the coming of Christ was pre-announced; Christ is God come down to man, and other religions are man seeking God. Christianity is very different from any other religion.
I would imagine that God seeks all people regardless of stripe, which includes religion. Meanwhile, all who are wise seek God, regardless of the same.
 
Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins among others have pointed out that far from being a paradise, the people were virtually slaves of a monastic elite in Tibet. This is something which academics of all stripes and disciplines have pointed out.
Please supply this information from academics of all stripes and disciplines. No one lives in a paradise, and no one said Tibet was supposed to be some kind of a paradise. There are poor and rich in ALL countries and societies.

The article’s information is poorly researched.
 
The West have had the TRUTH and taken it for granted for so long that it’s been diluted with global materialism they no longer recognise it! The ‘battle’ between The Church and The Reformers, levelling accusation upon accusation against Her, needed time WASTED to defend sound doctrine and Scriptures from contamination and corruption. With the secular attacks on Her stand on abortion (1960s) global conflicts, sovereigns and state powers threateneing / abusing their citizens and neighbours, ‘philosophical’ scientific claims, rise of Islamic violence, Her attention to worldly events for centuries and the filth infiltrating within her among laymen and clergy have taken their pound of flesh and ‘weakened’ Her!

Except for the Mass which ‘unifies’ Catholics, people search for what is true from a multitude of choices that they think it doesn’t exist anymore…which sounds exactly like what the Orients have been practicing for centuries! So, celebs and the rich, because they can afford it, flood East and the throngs follow what the media feeds them!

What the media does not show the West, is that the celebs and rich of the East are converting to the faith the West have, which includes the ‘freedom’ of democracy, incidently a tenet of Catholicism from antiquity that every human person has a right to life and freedom…and written into the founding documents of Western countries.

Eastern have things that are ‘new’ to visualise and experience and are attractive for those reasons, but the novelty must wear off as every novelty does. Remember, to the East, these are nice but the vestments on your side are attractive too! It is just more colours, brighter and more flavour than you’re used to. (Like food as well)

That said, the statutes will be different than you’re used to, the colours, experience etc…are indeed BEAUTIFUL in this part of the world and likely not seen often in the west. A simple crucifix with the Asian or Pacific Rim flavour is different to what the west may be used to, but it is still a crucifix.

Bottom Line?
People East and West just want The Truth!
In the west is the resurgence of that search for truth among Christians in multiple denominations as information and ‘libraries’ have become accessible at your fingertips! Alas, cyberspace is already flooded with fact and fiction or mixture of both!..but people are smarter, younger, and hungry for that truth!

Just musing, of course…

:cool:
I think part of our problem is that our people aren’t nearly zealous about being Christian out loud. It’s something that I think hurts us. We’ve been taught since we’re kids that we must be nice, and that means that you don’t talk about religion in public, and most certainly don’t declare that your religion is true. Other religions don’t do this. A jew will wear his Kippah no matter who is offended. A muslim will wear his headcap and beard and not be ashamed. Christians generally don’t do this. At least not to the same degree. We might have a little tiny cross or something, but usually it’s under a shirt where no one will see it. Even praying – muslims in France are not ashamed of praying on the streets, but we don’t do much the same. Muslims and Buddhists are generally willing to defend their religions – no muslim would appologize for offending by quoting the quran, no buddhist will feel ashamed for quoting Buddhist Sutras. How often do you hear the Bible quoted – and cited – outside of church or circles of people who already believe? The only verse that people will quote outside of a church is “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. So why would people look at a church as having an answer when we don’t ever act like it matters to US?
 
I think part of our problem is that our people aren’t nearly zealous about being Christian out loud. It’s something that I think hurts us. We’ve been taught since we’re kids that we must be nice, and that means that you don’t talk about religion in public, and most certainly don’t declare that your religion is true. Other religions don’t do this.
We Christians in the West not only have been taught to be “nice” but we have allowed transgressive Western-values-hating-anti-Christian Marxist elitists to take over the education systems and media, all in the name of “tolerance” and “multiculturalism.” The problem is that militant secularists are not tolerant of Christians and multiculturalism in practice has tended to mean celebrate every culture except your own. So we have Westerners demanding that crosses be taken down while happily providing Muslim footbaths at universities. They are :confused: IMHO.
 
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