Why is there a problem with an outdoor Marriage Ceremony?

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pyropam said:
See, these things confuse me… We have outdoor Mass at our church several times a year. And since God is everywhere…I would think he wouldn’t care… I would think that God would be pleased that people wanted their wedding in his beautiful outdoor creation rather than our indoor man-made setting.

I’m still confused… 😦
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Pam, again go ask someone on “once Catholic” a priest will answer your question. You can’t always rely on your Catholic peers for the answers. People can be bias and place their own personal preference in the answer for you and then go find Church teaching to fit their opinion. More than likely, it’s probably true that the Church discourages outdoor weddings but I would bet it’s allowed under certain circumstances. I feel, (personal bias here :p) that the sacrament of marriage in the Catholic faith is strong enough to withstand being celebrated outdoors. As I said before, as long as it is in correct form.

The hard part might be finding a priest who will do this. In California will live among beautiful forests and mountains and the parishes up in those mountain areas are fairly tiny so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they have marriage taking place out doors up there. 🙂

Personally, I would rather be married in a Church but I am admittedly traditional on these matters.

To note, our priest married a couple in Ireland outdoors when our Celtic club spent three weeks over there. From what I hear it was absolutely beautiful. It was done very respectful and near very old church ruins. The name of the area escapes me now, but I know it’s a rather sacred space.
 
anamchara said:
Pam, again go ask someone on “once Catholic” a priest will answer your question. You can’t always rely on your Catholic peers for the answers. People can be bias and place their own personal preference in the answer for you and then go find Church teaching to fit their opinion. More than likely, it’s probably true that the Church discourages outdoor weddings but I would bet it’s allowed under certain circumstances.
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You asked for documentation of the Church’s teaching and requirements, and I provided it in Post #13. It is not opinion or bias upon which I base my answer, I base my answer upon facts.
anamchara said:
I feel, (personal bias here :p) that the sacrament of marriage in the Catholic faith is strong enough to withstand being celebrated outdoors. As I said before, as long as it is in correct form.
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Yes, the correct form is required, and the canons I posted in Post #13 establish what correct form is.
anamchara said:
The hard part might be finding a priest who will do this.
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Priests are accountable to their Bishop. The Bishop is the only one who can dispense from form.
anamchara said:
In California will live among beautiful forests and mountains and the parishes up in those mountain areas are fairly tiny so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they have marriage taking place out doors up there. 🙂
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Only if the Bishop give permission.
 
1ke said:
Nope. Canon Law governs the administration of the Sacraments. The “local ordinary” is the Bishop.

Can. 1108 §1. Only those marriages are valid which are contracted before the local ordinary, pastor, or a priest or deacon delegated by either of them, who assist, and before two witnesses according to the rules expressed in the following canons and without prejudice to the exceptions mentioned in cann. ⇒ 144, ⇒ 1112, §1, ⇒ 1116, and ⇒ 1127, §§1-2.

Can. 1115 Marriages are to be celebrated in a parish where either of the contracting parties has a domicile, quasidomicile, or month long residence or, if it concerns transients, in the parish where they actually reside. With the permission of the proper ordinary or proper pastor, marriages can be celebrated elsewhere.

Can. 1118 §1. A marriage between Catholics or between a Catholic party and a non-Catholic baptized party is to be celebrated in a parish church. **It can be celebrated in another church or oratory with the permission of the local ordinary or pastor.
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§2. The local ordinary can permit a marriage to be celebrated in another suitable place.
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Ike, I did see where you posted this. It looks to me you can have it outside but with permission. I’ve seen outdoor Catholic weddings done. I suppose it all depends on your Bishop 🤷
 
anamchara said:
excuse me? Where do you get the idea that it is less than orthodox? :confused: can you give me an example? I’m sure the priests and nuns who help that website out would love to hear this.
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Used to read over there, stopped a couple of years ago because it was too fluffy I’m-okay-you’re-okay-ish.
 
kage_ar said:
Used to read over there, stopped a couple of years ago because it was too fluffy I’m-okay-you’re-okay-ish.
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Ahh so your bias 😛

They always give orthodox answers my friend, the fact that they are friendly and warm does not take that fact away. 🙂
 
anamchara said:
excuse me? Where do you get the idea that it is less than orthodox? :confused: can you give me an example? I’m sure the priests and nuns who help that website out would love to hear this.
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Check out Catholic Culture’s website for the review. It’s rated red for fidelity and they give examples why.
catholicculture.org/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=1677&repos=2&subrepos=&searchid=68483

To the topic at hand, as has already been pointed out and referenced several times, Catholic weddings are to take place in a Catholic Church, preferably the parish. While we may have our own personal preferences and biases about many things, those of us who are Catholics must respect and be obedient to the Church. It’s not anyone’s opinion on the forum, it is the opinion of the Church.

That said, there ARE occasions when it is possible to have the wedding elsewhere but it can only be done with permission, something which none us on this forum can give - even if we would want to.
 
Is an outdoor wedding Mass permissible on the grounds of a Catholic parish? The reason I am asking is because my parish has held Mass (not wedding Mass AFAIK) outdoors at the Marian shrine which has an altar. Also, my high school has a chapel, but when we had Holy Day Mass for the entire school, the gym or outside was where the Mass was held (due to size restrictions).
 
lak611 said:
Is an outdoor wedding Mass permissible on the grounds of a Catholic parish? The reason I am asking is because my parish has held Mass (not wedding Mass AFAIK) outdoors at the Marian shrine which has an altar. Also, my high school has a chapel, but when we had Holy Day Mass for the entire school, the gym or outside was where the Mass was held (due to size restrictions).
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I believe this would still be up to the Bishop, you can ask your pastor about it though.
 
anamchara said:
excuse me? Where do you get the idea that it is less than orthodox? :confused: can you give me an example? I’m sure the priests and nuns who help that website out would love to hear this.
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Some of us who take exceptional care to be accurate and precise might take exception to your comment.
 
CapaxDei said:
What makes you so sure their answers are always orthodox?
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Actually capax, I have no idea what everyone is talking about, I heard of that site from this forum a really long time ago 🤷 and all their answers fit Catholic teaching as far as I’ve seen. Maybe the site has recently being changing. It’s always seemed very orthodox. They are the ones that told me I couldn’t take communion until my marriage was convalidated. We were not married in the Catholic Church (before I converted) I don’t know how much more orthodox you can get with that answer. Now this was a while back. I’d challenge anyone to go in there now and read through it and see if they can find anything unorthodox. Honestly, I think people are being a bit too picky.
 
kage_ar said:
As is Catholic Culture (see above post). Stick with good sites, like this one, or EWTN…
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Go ahead and read through Once Catholic and find something unorthodox as I point out in my post. I consider myself an orthodox Catholic kager so why would I point someone in the wrong direction? I’d rather stick with clergy and Magisterium to answer my questions. Catechism is always a good place to start.😉

As far as cannon law, we have lawyers for that so I get a bit leary when people start quoting from it. That’s just me though :)😉
 
Revert07 said:
That said, there ARE occasions when it is possible to have the wedding elsewhere but it can only be done with permission, something which none us on this forum can give - even if we would want to.
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umm, if had read all my posts instead of getting on the band wagon you would have found that I’m in agreement with this. :rolleyes:
 
anamchara said:
Go ahead and read through Once Catholic and find something unorthodox as I point out in my post. I consider myself an orthodox Catholic kager so why would I point someone in the wrong direction? I’d rather stick with clergy and Magisterium to answer my questions. Catechism is always a good place to start.😉
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The fine folks over at Catholic Culture have done the research.

If you click on this link, you will see the rating for Once Catholic :

catholicculture.org/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=1677&repos=2&subrepos=&searchid=68483

Click on the “examples” and you will find examples such as:

catholicculture.org/reviews/view.cfm?Example=2304&recnum=1677&task=showexample

Further Information in Support of Example:

"Answers to questions often take Church documents and teachings out of context and can be very misleading and even false "

The following is a representative sample of the misleading and false information contained on the site.

  1. *]In the article on Confession, the writer states that the only time it is necessary to go to Confession is when you have committed a mortal sin. He says nothing about the Church’s command to receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation at least once a year. He also extols the move away from individual Confession to communal penance services by stating, “Communal celebrations show more clearly that Reconciliation is a sacrament, a corporate act of worship. When we celebrate together as a parish family, we are reminded of the social nature of sin. . . . In addition, when we celebrate Reconciliation with others, we are more clearly reminded of our obligation to ‘forgive those who trespass against us’ even as we ask God to forgive us our trespasses. . . . Interpersonal forgiveness and reconciliation are part of the hoped-for outcomes of this sacrament.”
 
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