Why is there not a single Protestant Understanding of the Bible?

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CMatt25 said:
Well I’m certainly glad for Newsy and the many you have seen who have been offended yet found their path on which to walk. :hmmm: I’m just not sure that includes everyone though PR who come. 🤷
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Fair enough. 🤷
 
CMatt25 said:
I personally know some of these Catholics though I don’t know the exact percentage overall. I’ve seen stats of 98% using ABC and stats that Catholics use ABC about the same as the rest of the population. I know Chris Matthews on his “Hardball” show this wk said he doesn’t see many families of 8 in the pews nowadays and he doesn’t think it’s all the rhythm method. But if that’s the case then are 80% or more of Catholics only theologically Cathlolics, aka as “Catholics” here? That seems to be a huge percentage for the Church to be identifying/ counting them as Catholics. So the Church is actually far smaller than the numbers given?
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Perhaps.

But I suspect that if you ask the majority of Catholics if they’re disobeying the Church on ABC, they’re going to say “No!” because they’ve never been told what the Church teaches on this.

Like so many Catholics (here on the forum as well as IRL), they are absolutely clueless about what the Church teaches.
 
PRmerger said:
Memorization is not necessary, Luv.

Familiarity, which is only that which I have, is.

You don’t even have a minimal familiarity with what the Church teaches. Probably not your fault, though. The Church, in the past, did an abysmal job catechizing her flock.

But now it’s *your *responsibility.

Especially now that you’re on the CAFs, you ought not be saying, “The Catholic Church teaches” unless you know what she does, and can cite where she does.

BTW, you do know that RCC stands for “Roman Catholic Church”, right?

And that’s an INCORRECT term for what you mean when you’re describing the Church.

For the Church is not Roman, Luv. The Church is the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church. The Roman (or Latin) rite is only one of 23 rites in the Church, all which are loyal to the Bishop of Rome.

(The Bishop of Rome is the Pope).
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your kidding right, yes I know what RCC stands for, I dont want confusion when someone corrects me when saying Catholic stands for universal.

**You don’t even have a **minimal familiarity with what the Church teaches.

I’m biting my tongue.
 
Luvtosew said:
your kidding right, yes I know what RCC stands for, I dont want confusion when someone corrects me when saying Catholic stands for universal.

**You don’t even have a **minimal familiarity ****with what the Church teaches.

I’m biting my tongue.
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Sometimes I find that’s the best thing to do here. Peace.
 
PRmerger said:
The Church does not say.
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PR, CCC 846 does say Catholics (theologically Catholic including those deemed “not Catholic” in a slogan like on a bumper sticker) who believed the Church was necessary, but who had a change in belief and did not “remain”, could not be saved. Now I assume this means if they do not repent their change in belief before death. The same CCC says if someone knows the Catholic Church is necessary but does not enter, they could not be saved either.

PR, I know the Church does not say Catholic “Johnny So & So” is in or is going to hell due to the fact She has no idea of the person’s heart and any repentance at the moment of death. But PR if they could not be saved unless they repent in accordance to the Catholic faith, where is it do you suppose the Church is saying they go to without Her actually coming out and spelling it?
 
Luvtosew said:
your kidding right, yes I know what RCC stands for, I dont want confusion when someone corrects me when saying Catholic stands for universal
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Then you are using it incorrectly.

The Catholic Church is the Church that stands in union with the Bishop of Rome (the pope, who is currently Pope Benedict XVI).

When you say the Roman Catholic Church you are leaving out the other rites that are part of the universal Church.
 
PRmerger said:
Then you are using it incorrectly.

The Catholic Church is the Church that stands in union with the Bishop of Rome (the pope, who is currently Pope Benedict XVI).

When you say the Roman Catholic Church you are leaving out the other rites that are part of the universal Church.
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I’d like a link to prove your souce.
 
CMatt25 said:
They could/can say they believe they’re wrong if that’s what they believe.
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That’s fine.

As long as you allow Catholics the same right to say that what Protestants believe may be wrong.

And, of course, this “man of faith”, if he knows your paradigm is going to tell you, “How can you even tell me that my belief is wrong when I came by it the same way you did–by reading the bible, praying, and relying on my faith! I do everything that YOU say is the way to come to truth.”
 
CMatt25 said:
PR, CCC 846 does say Catholics (theologically Catholic including those deemed “not Catholic” in a slogan like on a bumper sticker) who believed the Church was necessary, but who had a change in belief and did not “remain”, could not be saved. Now I assume this means if they do not repent their change in belief before death. The same CCC says if someone knows the Catholic Church is necessary but does not enter, they could not be saved either.
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'zactly.

And who knows what a man believes, and the degree of his knowledge, except him and God?
PR, I know the Church does not say Catholic “Johnny So & So” is in or is going to hell due to the fact She has no idea of the person’s heart and any repentance at the moment of death. But PR if they could not be saved unless they repent in accordance to the Catholic faith, where is it do you suppose the Church is saying they go to without Her actually coming out and spelling it?
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They go to hell, of course, Matt.

Now, you have to tell us where the Church has said that someone is there because they did not repent.
 
PRmerger said:
Then you are using it incorrectly.

The Catholic Church is the Church that stands in union with the Bishop of Rome (the pope, who is currently Pope Benedict XVI).

When you say the Roman Catholic Church you are leaving out the other rites that are part of the universal Church.
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PR, I don’t know about yours. But my Baptismal certificate noting when I theologically at least according to the Church once and for always became a Catholic, says I was baptized according to the rite of the Roman Catholic Church. Now I understand forms can be improperly printed. But alas decades later (within the past few yrs in fact) when I requested another copy with my receipt of any other Sacraments duly noted, I received a new spiffy white document saying the same thing. If you are saying there is not the RCC but only a rite, why after decades don’t someone on earth tell the printers! 😃
 
CMatt25 said:
PR, I don’t know about yours. But my Baptismal certificate noting when I theologically at least according to the Church once and for always became a Catholic, says I was baptized according to the rite of the Roman Catholic Church. Now I understand forms can be improperly printed. But alas decades later (within the past few yrs in fact) when I requested another copy with my receipt of any other Sacraments duly noted, I received a new spiffy white document saying the same thing. If you are saying there is not the RCC but only a rite, why after decades don’t someone on earth tell the printers! 😃
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There’s nothing at all wrong with being baptized in the Roman Catholic Church. You were baptized a Roman Catholic. 👍

However, saying things like, “The RCC teaches…” demonstrates an improper understanding of the Catholic Church. (Unless, of course, the poster means something specific to the Latin rite of the Church, which, typically, the poster does not.) It is just a red flag to the readers that this person is uninformed.

I was just trying to help someone out, so that it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb.

Just like when a Catholic says something like, “If I’m pregnant it must be via the Immaculate Conception!” That shows that this Catholic hasn’t a clue about why we have the Immaculate Conception as a Holy Day in the Church. She doesn’t know the doctrine. And the message readers get is: this person was not well catechized.
 
PRmerger said:
They go to hell, of course, Matt.
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😦 I know orthodox Catholics believe this. But to be so absolutely 100% certain of their faith, to be able to bypass Matt 7:1 and say they know someone goes to hell if they do not repent according to the confines of the orthodox Catholic’s faith, remains something that troubles me about the faith.
 
CMatt25 said:
Does the RCC teach something differently than the Catholic Church?
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It has different customs than, say, the Chaldean rite. Or the Coptic rite. Or the Ruthenian rite.

But all are Catholic.

They may have different readings at Mass, celebrate different feast days, offer different disciplines.

So it’s a little like saying, “Missouri law states that you have to be 35 to be President of the United States.”

While this is, in a sense, true, because state law cannot countermand the Constitution, it affronts the eyes when anyone who’s knowledgeable about government reads this. It’s actually correct to say, “The US Constitution requires you to be 35 to be POTUS.”
 
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