Why Isa (Jesus) is called Isa AS in Islam?

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DeExupery:
Dear Guratto,

Yes. Problem is they were already in heaven. God created Satan. And Satan seduced Adam and Eve. So do you think God wanted Adam and Eve to fail, directly and directly?
Remember, God is all knowing. So I ask you again. What is the meaning of men’s creation from God, before they fell into sin? Do you have any Islamistic source to know WHAT WAS THE INTENTION OF GOD TO CREATE HUMAN?
Thank you for your many verses. We might need them as we progress.

Fox
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God is all knowing he knew that Adam will eat from the tree as he knew he will repent and he will forgive him,

THE INTENTION OF GOD TO CREATE HUMAN To worship God alone

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YUSUFALI: I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.
PICKTHAL: I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.
SHAKIR: And I have not created the jinn and the men except that they should serve Me.

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YUSUFALI: He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-
PICKTHAL: Who hath created life and death that He may try you which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,
SHAKIR: Who created death and life that He may try you-- which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving,
 
Dear Guratto,
THE INTENTION OF GOD TO CREATE HUMAN To worship God alone
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Beautiful explanation.

Did God intend human to get into sin? remember, God also created Satan, and He knew that Satan would seduce human into sin.

Fox
 
Dear Guratto,

Why then God created something bad like Satan? Will Satan repent in the end? IF not, then God created a creation that will not repent until the end of days, and that means God created evil. Do you think God is the source of evil then?

Fox
 
God Created the good and the evil, and created man and gave him the brain and the power to recognize the true path and the false path and he guided him through the messangers to the true path, so man free to choose, so if he choose the true path God will reward him and if he choose the false path God will punish him.
 
Dear Guratto,
God Created the good and the evil, and created man and gave him the brain and the power to recognize the true path and the false path and he guided him through the messangers to the true path, so man free to choose, so if he choose the true path God will reward him and if he choose the false path God will punish him.
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So do you think God created us and created Satan to set up a “game”? He created us then he created our seducer, he created heaven and he created hell.
So does HE really concern about us? Or do we toys only for HIM? to amuse him while we are struggling?

Fox
 
No we are not a game, its clear God created Satan to test us if we will obey him or obey Satan and he told us that Satan is our enemy so he told us to disobey Satan, If we obey Satan then we deserve the punishment or if we obey God we deserve the rewards

Let us see this verse:
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YUSUFALI: O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.
PICKTHAL: O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not.
SHAKIR: O children of Adam! let not the Shaitan cause you to fall into affliction as he expelled your parents from the garden, pulling off from them both their clothing that he might show them their evil inclinations, he surely sees you, he as well as his host, from whence you cannot see them; surely We have made the Shaitans to
 
Dear Guratto,
No we are not a game, its clear God created Satan to test us if we will obey him or obey Satan and he told us that Satan is our enemy so he told us to disobey Satan, If we obey Satan then we deserve the punishment or if we obey God we deserve the rewards
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But the fact:
  1. God created Satan to seduce human and to TEST whether we obey him or not while in fact HE has already known the result.
  1. God created Heaven and Hell for that.
Doesn’t it sound like a game?

Fox
 
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DeExupery:
Dear Guratto,

But the fact:
  1. God created Satan to seduce human and to TEST whether we obey him or not while in fact HE has already known the result.
  1. God created Heaven and Hell for that.
Doesn’t it sound like a game?

Fox
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Brother you seem like difficult to understand that, so I will give u one example from this life:

In university, the university admin at the end of study will make an exam it contain some difficult questions, so after that test they will know who will have the certificate, and surly some students will fail in the exam, so do you think that they put difficult questions to make student fail? No I don’t think they do this to know who deserve the certificate and the big grade, wright,
And if we assume that university admin know before who will pass and who will fail, do you think this will be a game, I don’t think

I hope this will clarify what I meant.
 
Dear Brother Guratto,
Brother you seem like difficult to understand that, so I will give u one example from this life:
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I think you misunderstand me. Actually, There was a time when Prophet Adam and Eve lived in heaven, together with God.
What I don’t understand is, did God really want human to live in heaven? Why he created Satan?
If you said to test whether someone should belong to heaven or hell, your idea doesn’t apply to Adam and Eve. Actually they were sent out of heaven because of their mistakes (which God indirectly created by creating Satan).

You mention, God’s intention to create men are to worship HIM. So why he created Satan?

Fox
 
Brother here the storry for Adam and Satan according to the Quran:

God created Jins, angels, and Satan, they all were worship God,
then he told angels that he is gonna to create man, after that when he created the man he ordain all ( the angels and the Jins) to bow down to the man, they all have bowed except Satan he refused claim that he better than him, and he didnot repent to God so god drove him out the paradise and Cursed him, after that Satan said Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised to seduce him except the thy servants from among them, the purified ones.

see the following verses:

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YUSUFALI: Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay:
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire,
SHAKIR: When your Lord said to the angels; Surely I am going to create a mortal from dust:

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YUSUFALI: “When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.”
PICKTHAL: And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate,
SHAKIR: So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down making obeisance to him.

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YUSUFALI: So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together:
PICKTHAL: The angels fell down prostrate, every one,
SHAKIR: And the angels did obeisance, all of them,

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YUSUFALI: Not so Iblis: he was haughty, and became one of those who reject Faith.
PICKTHAL: Saving Iblis; he was scornful and became one of the disbelievers.
SHAKIR: But not Iblis: he was proud and he was one of the unbelievers.

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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: “O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?”
PICKTHAL: He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands? Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted?
SHAKIR: He said: O Iblis! what prevented you that you should do obeisance to him whom I created with My two hands? Are you proud or are you of the exalted ones?

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YUSUFALI: (Iblis) said: “I am better than he: thou createdst me from fire, and him thou createdst from clay.”
PICKTHAL: He said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire, whilst him Thou didst create of clay.
SHAKIR: He said: I am better than he; Thou hast created me of fire, and him Thou didst create of dust.

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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "Then get thee out from here: for thou art rejected, accursed.
PICKTHAL: He said: Go forth from hence, for lo! thou art outcast,
SHAKIR: He said: Then get out of it, for surely you are driven away:

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YUSUFALI: “And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment.”
PICKTHAL: And lo! My curse is on thee till the Day of Judgment.
SHAKIR: And surely My curse is on you to the day of judgment.

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YUSUFALI: (Iblis) said: “O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised.”
PICKTHAL: He said: My Lord! Reprieve me till the day when they are raised.
SHAKIR: He said: My Lord! then respite me to the day that they are raised.

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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "Respite then is granted thee-
PICKTHAL: He said: Lo! thou art of those reprieved
SHAKIR: He said: Surely you are of the respited ones,

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YUSUFALI: “Till the Day of the Time Appointed.”
PICKTHAL: Until the day of the time appointed.
SHAKIR: Till the period of the time made known.

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YUSUFALI: (Iblis) said: "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-
PICKTHAL: He said: Then, by Thy might, I surely will beguile them every one,
SHAKIR: He said: Then by Thy Might I will surely make them live an evil life, all,

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YUSUFALI: “Except Thy Servants amongst them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace).”
PICKTHAL: Save Thy single-minded slaves among them.
SHAKIR: Except Thy servants from among them, the purified ones.

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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "Then it is just and fitting- and I say what is just and fitting-
PICKTHAL: He said: The Truth is, and the Truth I speak,
SHAKIR: He said: The truth then is and the truth do I speak:

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YUSUFALI: “That I will certainly fill Hell with thee and those that follow thee,- every one.”
PICKTHAL: That I shall fill hell with thee and with such of them as follow thee, together.
SHAKIR: That I will most certainly fill hell with you and with those among them who follow you, all.

hope this clarify to you
 
i’m still waiting to see where deExupery got “savior” as the meaning for messiah. :rolleyes:
 
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Faith101:
Divinity?? The Quran mentions Jesus’ lack of divinity,
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Not surprising, really. To declare that Jesus is God, would mean that Mohammed was a false prophet who invented revelations.
which he will attest to on the day of judgment
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Want to bet on that?😃
 
*Dear Rasheed,

Patience is necessary. We are not yet to the discussion. While you have free time, you may need to discuss about literacy and plagiarism case instead. And may be 9:29 too, and dogs. 😛

Brother Guratto,

So, in your beautiful story, you mention one thing that I find very interesting:
God didn’t create Satan to be bad, but Satan chose to disobey God. So, I think we agree in two things:
  1. God created everything good.
  2. God never wanted human to be out of heaven.
Boa Constrictor.*
 
*Dear Brother Guratto,

It’s interesting. So it means that:
Satan had ‘freedom to choose’. He chose to defy God. And he created the problem to mankind. He brought Prophet Adam and Eve which were pure into sin.

So far so good.

So Prophet Adam and Eve were sent out of heaven.

But God really loved us, that’s why he sent the prophets to mankind, to remind them of God.

But do you think it’s perfect? We will discuss it.

Now let us move to the culture of sacrifice. Do you mind telling me, brother Guratto, when did the start of sacrifice in Quran, and what does it represents in Islam. I know that until now you have ‘Idul Qurban’. I would be grateful if you quote the Quranic Source about sacrifice.

Boa*
 
*Dear All,

This will be my last posting here, as DeExupery, or Boa Constrictor, or Lamp Lighter. As you may already realized, I am one (and it may sound a bit like trinity, but not). Being suspended (twice, my record in ANY FORUM that I’ve ever joined, Islam or Christian) while I am very eager to share my thoughts make me think that this forum cannot accept free ideas.
To Moderators, especially Rachel, who seem to eager banning everyone, I want to ask where do you want this forum is leading to? Talking about theological nonsense? While you see people are suffering there, repressed in many Islamic Countries? Talking is cheap. We need to open up to ideas and share what is in our hearts. We need to touch our moslem brothers, letting them know how we feel about the whole situation, and not being PCs. We have respected what our moslem brothers and sisters said about apostasy, about their faith, about their view of terrorism, about US invation, about anything. But too bad, ALL of you repress what your Christian brothers and sisters (and those who don’t belong to those two religions) have to say. You repress them in the name of LOVE. But LOVE doesn’t suffocate.It FREES you from fear. And one again, LOVE is not a show off. LOVE is from the heart. IT can be mean, soft, sensitive, truthful, hard, anything. You just want to show your beautiful and sainty faces. But what is in your heart? Is it really true love, not only a show off?
Actually, I join here is because one of my best friends online asks me to join. But I hope that best friend will understand if I have to leave this seemingly perfect forum, because I can’t breathe here.
There are many thread that I join, which are unfinished yet. And will never finish for I will not post anything anymore. And I don’t have a heart to continue. Regards to many people I meet here, which joyfully share thoughts with me: Rodrigo, Guratto, Cyber Knight, Catholic 29, Malleus, Barton, Faith, Booklover, George Water, Iosav, Rasheed, Edris, Cute, and all the people I cannot mention here. May God bless you all, whatever the conception of God you may have.

Ciao,

Fox/Boa/Lamp Lighter*
 
Interesting topic. But in Quran, even Mohammed can purify people.

2:152. Even as WE have sent to you a Messenger from among yourselves who recites OUR Signs to you, and purifies you, and teaches you the Book and Wisdom, and teaches you that which you knew not.
 
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