Why Islam?

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I’ll save everyone time and say it’s not in there. This is what the Quran says regarding the crucifixion of Jesus:

That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. [S. 4:157; Yusuf Ali]

Some comparative translations:

And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. [Sahih International]

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. [Pickthall]

And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. [Shakir]

The only translation that comes close to the JRT is the one by Sahih International, but notice that the word “another” is in brackets, showing that it was added in and not in the original text (in the same manner Bibles often put words in italics). Most translations emphasize simply that it was made to appear that Jesus was crucified. In this wording, any of the Islamic beliefs mentioned before regarding S. 4:157 could be fit into it.

I would also not say the JRT is the most believed explanation for the crucifixion in Islam. It’s a bit like dispensationalism in Christianity - it’s the most well known, but not the most believed. A lot of Muslims I’ve spoken to think it was all just an illusion, or that Jesus just fainted and hence was buried alive in the tomb.

I will say that it is ironic the author of the Quran claims those who believe Jesus was crucified are full of conjecture, when there are so many wild theories floating around Muslims regarding what happened on a cross, whereas Christians know exactly what happened on the cross, as all four gospels give consistent accounts.
 
Who made people believe that Jesus died on the Cross although he was not crucified? Who managed to make it appear so? Allah! Allah performed a greater deception than even the enemies of Jesus who wanted him dead. And because of the deception of Allah, the majority of people believe until this day that Jesus died on the cross — according to the author of the Qur’an.

“Above all schemers” or “the best of schemers”?

Surah Âl 'Imran (3:54)

Some English translations of the Qur’an are simply amazing. At times, they are so far removed from the actual meaning of the Qur’an that they actually say the very opposite of the Arabic original. In this short article I want to point out the mistranslation of one particularly troubling verse. The following transliteration and all translations cited here are taken from this Muslim website.

The passage in S. 3:52-55 is important for the discussions between Christians and Muslims because it makes claims about the life and death of Jesus, or rather that he did not die as the Bible reports. In other words, it is a passage that is part of the Qur’an’s denial of the crucifixion of Jesus. The Qur’an claims that what ultimately happened was a scheme or deception devised by God. This has enormous moral and theological implications. Before touching on some of these implications, I want to point out how various Muslim translations deal with this particular passage. Let’s first cite a transliteration and a literal translation of S. 3:54.

Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

Note that the above translation is given by a Muslim!

There is no doubt that makr means deception, scheming, but looking at most Muslim translations, we see that this meaning is totally lost:

continue reading on here… answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/003.054.html
 
It’s interesting that you would have seen such a sign. Here in the U.S., we are allowed to talk about, celebrate and enjoy anything in less it’s Christianity. Because it’s the truth, it’s my opinion that the devil has done a great job at making it look evil.
The website that you posted makes Islam look so nice and happy. But what about the true side of it. Most don’t know the truth, of how women are looked done at. Or many other politically correct positions that the left has made up.
God has placed the truth on us to speak the truth to others, even if they are offended. For this reason, we must pray more, and read out bibles so that the truth will flow out of us.
Matthew
 
People in England are free to mock Christianity but nobody will criticize Islam. Even the archbishop of Canterbury has suggested England should adopt some form of sharia law. Politically correctness is running roughshod over our whole constitution.
 
doormouse73 said:
or that Jesus got crucified on the cross.he placed judas there instead.
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That is in the Quran. It’s not hidden from anyone inquiring about Islam. The Islamic Faith is dis-similar to the LDS Church in that in Islam nothing is with held from inquirers or new converts (they use the term “revert” as they believe all persons are born Muslim)
doormouse73 said:
that all the N T is evil and not real,and they bring the truth in mohamed…
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Muslims do not believe the NT is evil, but they do believe that both the NT & the OT have been corrupted over the years. We, Catholics, believe that the Bible has been well preserved over the centuries by our Church since its compilation by our same Church. They believe that anything that’s in the Bible that contradicts the Quran, the only Scripture they believe has Not been corrupted over time, is proof of the Bibles’ corruption. They do have miracles within the Quran to back up their belief in it - it is very interesting, but for me the miraculous information found in the Quran was revealed by a demon who by nature would know all that stuff that there was no way of Mohammed knowing - but they see that information as proof the Quran is of heavenly origin. Again, this information isn’t hidden to inquirers.
 
jakasaki said:
Please point out the verse(s) from the Quran and Quran only where it states “Jesus had died and put up someboby else instead”
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It doesn’t say that but states this from the Quran

…They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God." They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)… (Qur’an, 4:157)
 
ThatOrthodoxGuy said:
…They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God." They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)… (Qur’an, 4:157)
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Which translation is that? Also, see my earlier post, which compares with other translations.
 
jakasaki said:
Please point out the verse(s) from the Quran and Quran only where it states “Jesus had died and put up someboby else instead”
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Quran: The Women “An-Nisa” 4:156-157 “Furthermore, they’re in such a state because they suppressed God’s truth, made unfounded accusations against Mary, and boasted, “We killed Jesus, the Messiah, the son of Mary.” However, they didn’t kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them that they did. Those who argue about it are full of doubts and have no concrete information. On the contrary, they only follow theories, for they certainly didn’t kill him.” - this belief Muslims hold & has been written into the Quran comes from the Gnostics.
 
Indifferently said:
People in England are free to mock Christianity but nobody will criticize Islam. Even the archbishop of Canterbury has suggested England should adopt some form of sharia law. Politically correctness is running roughshod over our whole constitution.
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Is the archbishop of Canterbury Anglican? And is the Anglican Church run by the government of the United Kingdom? If so, the government of the U.K. wants to change to a form of Sharia. Do the people in the U.K. have a voice? Would they be able to fight the government on this, if it’s not what they want as a majority?
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
Is the archbishop of Canterbury Anglican? And is the Anglican Church run by the government of the United Kingdom? If so, the government of the U.K. wants to change to a form of Sharia. Do the people in the U.K. have a voice? Would they be able to fight the government on this, if it’s not what they want as a majority?
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I suppose the Church of England is technically a part of the British government, but in practice it is entirely autonomous. The present Archbishop of Canterbury will soon be vacating his post to be replaced by an evangelical who might not be perfect, but at least seems to adhere to some form of Christianity.
 
In my city, there is one of those “Why Islam?” billboards up near the airport, which is (not coincidentally) in the neighborhood of the mosque. I hope that we will be able to do something similar in the future to advertise the existence of the church in this city, now that we finally (by the grace of God, after 16 years!) have a dedicated church building to which we can direct people. I agree that something must be done to combat the charm offensive of Islam in the United States (and other western countries). Islam is the weakest religion with the good PR that comes with not being an ‘institutional’ religion in the West (as BW wrote about). That can only go so far, but plenty of Westerners hate themselves and what they think Christianity is deeply enough to get caught up in it in the meantime. Lord have mercy.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
The first tab at the top bar on that website has a link to learn about the Islamic beliefs about Jesus. They believe Jesus is a Prophet and that all Muslims must believe this also that He was conceived by a Virgin and He did miracles through the power of God. The website is consistent with what the Quran teaches about Jesus & from the Muslims I know consistent with what they’ve been told to believe by their parents & imams.

Muslims don’t believe Jesus is God - the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity - & they don’t believe He is present body, blood, soul & divinity in the Eucharist - like we do .

What do you think the true Islamic beliefs about Jesus are?
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It glosses over that they reject the Trinity, that they believe the Bible is corrupted. They cite verses from the Bible to give a false impression that they believe very similar beliefs about Jesus that is taught in the Bible.
 
zz912 said:
It glosses over that they reject the Trinity, that they believe the Bible is corrupted. They cite verses from the Bible to give a false impression that they believe very similar beliefs about Jesus that is taught in the Bible.
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What’s dangerous about this is if someone doesn’t understand their faith they will lose it if they read this. As Christians we need to start re-christinizing our lands.
 
Do Muslims worship the devil? If their God is the greatest deceiver of them all, is he Satan?
 
Indifferently said:
Do Muslims worship the devil? If their God is the greatest deceiver of them all, is he Satan?
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The god of Islam teaches his people a complete distortion of Christ, his life and his works, none of which is substantiated by anything given by Christ, his apostles, and the earliest Christians. I would say there is no greater sign that the creation of Islam was the work of the devil. When you read about Mohammad’s spiritual encounters with the “angel,” you especially have to wonder what exactly he met in the desert out there. He might have just had some strange dreams or visions, or he might have had a sincere spiritual experience…if it was the latter, it wasn’t from God.

And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. [2 Co 11:14]

It might also be added that any worship not given to God is given to demons.

No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. [1 Co 10:20]
 
You are too charitable. Nobody who worships gods other than the Holy Trinity worships God.
 
The Jews presumably turned away from God when they rejected Jesus, who was both very God and very Man. Don’ t you agree?
 
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