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kelvinf
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By that you mean the State punishing people for committing a crime since the Church does not punish anyone for lying.
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tskrobacz
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We live in a free society. The laws do not, and should not, reflect the morals or beliefs of any one religion, but instead the collective consciousness of the nation with justice and fairness for people of all beliefs. Is it not possible in our society to have a 0% abortion rate among Catholics? The fact that abortion is legal does not negate our individual responsibility to follow our conscious and act accordingly.
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jimmy
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People are so quick to judge the sins of others. These self righteous and sanctimonious jerks are so quick to point out that everyone elses sins are heinous, and that the world is going to hell in a hand basket. ‘if only I lived a hundred years ago, it was much better then.’ ‘those awful sinners should be punished.’ But their own sins are invisible to them, or they see them as minor.
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Seeker1961
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If you look hard enough, you can always find someone who is a “bigger sinner” than you are. Then you can point at them and say to God. “See!! See!!! I’m not that bad! They’re WAY more evil than I am!!”
Anyone who has siblings or has more than one child has seen that tactic before.
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Angainor
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I was curious, so I looked up my state (Michigan). Apparently adultery is a felony punishable with a life sentence.
The life sentence part is an accident of careless legislation, and nobody has been convicted of adultery since 1971, but it is on the books!
The life sentence part is an accident of careless legislation, and nobody has been convicted of adultery since 1971, but it is on the books!
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Mulligan2
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Very well said.
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Charlemagne_II
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Since adultery is violation of a marriage contract, it is ground for filing a law suite for divorce. In that sense, it is covered by law and the penalty imposed by law against the aggravating partner.
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Charlemagne_II
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Jimmy
**People are so quick to judge the sins of others. These self righteous and sanctimonious jerks are so quick to point out that everyone elses sins are heinous, and that the world is going to hell in a hand basket. ‘if only I lived a hundred years ago, it was much better then.’ ‘those awful sinners should be punished.’ But their own sins are invisible to them, or they see them as minor. **
How do you see the above sentences as anything other than self-righteous and sanctimonious?
**People are so quick to judge the sins of others. These self righteous and sanctimonious jerks are so quick to point out that everyone elses sins are heinous, and that the world is going to hell in a hand basket. ‘if only I lived a hundred years ago, it was much better then.’ ‘those awful sinners should be punished.’ But their own sins are invisible to them, or they see them as minor. **
How do you see the above sentences as anything other than self-righteous and sanctimonious?
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jimmy
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The most I am doing is pointing out the self righteousness. Is it wrong to make an observation now? I don’t consider myself particularly righteous or holy. These other people though think their sins are irrelevant, but everyone else’s should be punished.Jimmy
**People are so quick to judge the sins of others. These self righteous and sanctimonious **jerks are so quick to point out that everyone elses sins are heinous, and that the world is going to hell in a hand basket. ‘if only I lived a hundred years ago, it was much better then.’ ‘those awful sinners should be punished.’ But their own sins are invisible to them, or they see them as minor.
How do you see the above sentences as anything other than self-righteous and sanctimonious?
Actually because adultery also attacks the fabric of society, it actually ought to be criminalized and as a matter of fact used to be. To a degree, it still is in the form of anti-polygamy laws. Several U.S. states still have anti-adultery laws, and are felonies in some of them.
I could only guess that the Church in her wisdom has had to pick her battles and none require more time and effort than the defense of the unborn, who have no one to speak for them.
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BrettA47
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Re: “Adultery, abortion & homosexuality”: **Separation of Church and State
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“Why didn’t the church campaign to keep it that way?” Same as above - they lost the power to put into place their own arbitrary laws after centuries of trying to force the world to kneel to their antiquated and - especially as regards homosexuality - bigoted views.
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“Why didn’t the church campaign to keep it that way?” Same as above - they lost the power to put into place their own arbitrary laws after centuries of trying to force the world to kneel to their antiquated and - especially as regards homosexuality - bigoted views.
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Bella92
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Welcome to the modern world. We didn’t keep it criminalised because it should never have been a crime. It’s no business of the government who I sleep with and it’s the government that makes the laws, not the church.
There was something on the news here recently and I wasn’t listening properly so I didn’t get the details but it was something about some bloke challenging his criminal record because he shows up as having committed a crime, when in fact all he was doing was living in an open relationship with his boyfriend. At that time in the 1960s it was a crime to be gay, and this poor bloke has a criminal record because of it. Disgusting.
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JABA
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Adultery( cheating on ones spouse) is a form of domestic abuse. I don’t see a difference between this and hitting your spouse. Both cause some type of harm to the victim and family involved.
This practice should be a crime, just like domestic violence. If you want to cheat, do it honorably and get a divorce. If you are not willing to do that, honor your marriage and remember that marriage is about personal sacrifice as well.
This practice should be a crime, just like domestic violence. If you want to cheat, do it honorably and get a divorce. If you are not willing to do that, honor your marriage and remember that marriage is about personal sacrifice as well.
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Bella92
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Right then well in that case give everyone who breaks a promise or a vow a criminal record because very broken promise or vow has a hurt attached to it for someone.
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JABA
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Humans psychology remains the same, no matter what century. Homosexual acts are still disordered and immoral no matter what century you live in. If you read a biology text book, we have not changed in regards to our sexual anatomy and physiology or psychology.
Change does not equal progress.
100 years from now, our views against pedophilia, incest and other disordered sexual acts will be considered bigoted. I consider any opinions in promotion of homosexuality, also bigoted.
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raikou
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Isn’t adultery illegal in the US? Isn’t this a breach of the marriage contract?
The purpose of the government is to protect and promote the government so it has the duty to make illegal certain practices that are harmful to society (without intruding into the legitimate rights of citizens).
The purpose of the government is to protect and promote the government so it has the duty to make illegal certain practices that are harmful to society (without intruding into the legitimate rights of citizens).
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JABA
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Yes, maybe they will think more carefully if it’s worth cheating on their spouse.
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jimmy
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This type of response has no rational argument, but only plays on emotions. The use of words like bigoted, and antiquated are examples of this.
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fpt
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For information, read the whole thread. Good luck for the parts about adulrery, pre marital sex, homosexuality.
Aren’t there 13 Non-Negotiables, not just 5?**
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=746168
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BrettA47
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I’d guess you know how utterly out of touch the underlined is with a large and growing part of First World populations, right? I’m one of those, but am not ‘promoting’ gays. It’s just not my business to judge others’ sexual preference and I wish them well. In short - and this I’m almost positive you’ll know - I don’t consider your opinions relevant simply because of their content and that you also have no business judging them. Let’s agree to disagree, OK?
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