Why isn't adultery against the law?

[fpt]

The law is on the books and was used. This same situation can happen with others laws.

Here, the debate is about** the metaphysical principle of the rule and of function of the penal law of State in link with the natural moral order of the human nature via the catholic perspective. **

1. On the fund of the issue:
   The role and the function of State and the role of the penal law?** The legitimacy of the Penal law for adultery, per se, in the private place???**
2. On the manner to do:
   Do you agree with the manipulations of legal elements for punishing the citizen, in general? Are you in favor of the diversion of power of police for arresting and of a bad using of the legal element of penal law by a penal court? Is it a lie???

Questions:

If your wife or you husband is cheating on you with her or his lover in the bedroom of hostel (private place), do you want a penal action against her or him and the lover? Are you serious? Is it catholic to try to put in jail a wife or a husband with the lover for adultery???

Do you want to threaten of the jail for adultery and for the other sexual acts in the couple???

Do you want to organise the sexual penal war in the couple and in the families?

If yes, in my humble opinion, It is a crazy mentality with a lot of puritanism and of his friends. The catholic logic is so so different.

 

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Here, the debate is about** the metaphysical principle of the rule and of function of the penal law of State in link with the natural moral order of the human nature via the catholic perspective. **

1. On the fund of the issue:
   The role and the function of State and the role of the penal law?** The legitimacy of the Penal law for adultery, per se, in the private place???**
2. On the manner to do:
   Do you agree with the manipulations of legal elements for punishing the citizen, in general? Are you in favor of the diversion of power of police for arresting and of a bad using of the legal element of penal law by a penal court? Is it a lie???

Depending on how the law is written I would favor it and more.

Questions:

If your wife or you husband is cheating on you with her or his lover in the bedroom of hostel (private place), do you want a penal action against her or him and the lover? Are you serious? Is it catholic to try to put in jail a wife or a husband with the lover for adultery???

There is nothing unCatholic about such a law.

Do you want to threaten of the jail for adultery and for the other sexual acts in the couple???

Do you want to organise the sexual penal war in the couple and in the families?

If yes, in my humble opinion, It is a crazy mentality with a lot of puritanism and of his friends. The catholic logic is so so different.

It is not Puritan to uphold the moral order. The problem is not Puritanism today. The problem is laxism.

 

[devoutchristian]

BTW fpt, since you agree that pedophilia can be criminalized by the state, you believe that private sexual acts between consenting persons (a 17 year old, for instance, normally possesses the use of reason) can be justly criminalized by the state.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Tonight, I was reading a post that talked about how the Catholic Church wants abortion to be outlawed, and how things like murder are outlawed. But why not adultery?

Where I live adultery would constitute a violation of a civil contract (not a criminal violation). If a person wishes to act in response to this civil contract being broken there are laws to assist. If a couple have some agreement that allows for sex with other partners then there is no “injured” party for which to act.

I know it has to do with privacy and such, but why not outlaw it if it is as wrong. A sin is a sin no matter what, and if I remember what I was taught in Catholic School, Adultery is a grave sin, just like abortion.

I probably matters more in a theocracy. But I don’t think the concept of “sin” has relevance in many instances of western law. There are still vestiges of “blue laws” where I live (blue laws were to prevent certain sins). But they are slowly being revoked because a majority of the voters are in disagreement with them.

I also wonder about Homosexuality. Why didn’t we keep it criminalized, and why didn’t the church campaign to keep it that way?

Are you asking why it is no longer illegal to feel attracted to some one of the same gender or why sexual acts involving some one of the same gender are no longer illegal? In 1986 the Supreme Court ruled that nothing in the Constitution prohibited sodomy. I think it is still illegal in the military. But attitudes may be changing.

 

[fpt]

He seems to me that you refuse use the realistic and objective philosophy of law of State, in the catholic manner: the metaphysics of criminal law, the epistemology of the criminal law, the metaphysics of role of the State, the epistemology of the role of State;
And
He seems to me that you refuse to use the catholic theology of the human nature via the anthropology of the holy revelation (holy bible, Old Testament and New testament, in knowing the the Old Testament has to be read and understood at the light of the new testament and the catholic doctrine: not mora not less: Caesar and God, the distinction of the temporal power and of spiritual power (distinction is not separation) with the corollaries: the moral distinction of the sphere of the morality, and of the sphere of the penal law of State and of the governement (the natural moral order of the human nature with the corollaries and the natural moral order of the State and of the penal law).

Do you see the Ten Commandments, per se in all topics, as a penal code of right of the State? There is a distinction between the temporal power and the spiritual power (Caesar and God). The Old testament is finished on some parts. Now, it is the new law: see that there are two spheres, otherwise it is morally wrong, unfair and not catholic. The debate is very difficult and thus probably impossible , if you do not accept this principle of two spheres.

]

 

[fpt]

BTW fpt, since you agree that pedophilia can be criminalized by the state, you believe that private sexual acts between consenting persons (a 17 year old, for instance, normally possesses the use of reason) can be justly criminalized by the state.

What do you want to say to me or to say to the member of CAF? Could you explain? Do you want to search my logic or the absurdism of my thought? E**xplain to me, what you wished to say by these last four lines, please?
**

 

[fpt]

BTW fpt, since you agree that pedophilia can be criminalized by the state, you believe that private sexual acts between consenting persons (a 17 year old, for instance, normally possesses the use of reason) can be justly criminalized by the state.

What do you want to say to me or to say to the member of CAF? Could you explain? Do you want to search my logic or the absurdism of my thought? E**xplain to me, what you wished to say by these last two **lines, please?

Yes, pedophilia is morally wrong : it is immoral, it is a catholic sin, it is a mortal sin by narure, by essence, per se, by itself, of itself, for itself, from itself.

The acts of pedophilia have to be punished by the penal law of State and have to be seen as civil torts by the civil law of State: The adult is a criminal person, The baby, the kid (the child), the pre-teenager, the teenager are the direct victims, and the family of the victim is the indirect victim.

The moral sphere, the penal sphere of law of State, and civil sphere of the law of State.

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

Technically in Canada it is if it contributes to the corruption of children, but the police don’t have jurisdiction to enforce it. See? Reading the Criminal a Code of Canada for entertainment can be fun and informative!

 

[fpt]

I don’t see why you guys are still arguing with fpt, considering the fact that he is a self-avowed heretic.

BTW fpt, since you agree that pedophilia can be criminalized by the state, you believe that private sexual acts between consenting persons (a 17 year old, for instance, normally possesses the use of reason) can be justly criminalized by the state.

The premarital sex (forcination, sexual acts) between two teenagers or young adults of the same age or almost the same age (only, for example: 14 years 14 years, 15 years 15 years, 16 years 16 years, 17 years 17 years or 14 years 16 years, 15 years, 17 years, 16 years, 18 years, 17 years 18 years, 18 years 20 years or 18 years 21 years), in knowing that, per se, the sexual majority is not civil majority, are immoral acts, are catholic sins, and are catholic mortal sins for both of them.

But here, **it is not pedophilia because the moral issue and thus the legal issue of the penal law of pedophilia are linked to the presumption of consenting about the sexuality: no sexual maturity, no sexual liberty, no sexual conscience, no knowledge of the sexual matters, no sexual agreement. no sexual volition between an adult and a baby or a kid or a teenager. **; no equity, no equality.

Actually, the question of the role of the penal law concerning the pedophilia is, only, in link with the personnal liberty on the sexuality. **The inequity and the inequality about sexual knowledge are the key between adult and the youngs.
**

For information, according to the canon law, the woman has the right to get marriage at 14 years and the man at 16 years, universally speaking, the normality, the principle.

 

[fpt]

I don’t see why you guys are still arguing with fpt, considering the fact that he is a self-avowed heretic.

BTW fpt, since you agree that pedophilia can be criminalized by the state, you believe that private sexual acts between consenting persons (a 17 year old, for instance, normally possesses the use of reason) can be justly criminalized by the state.

The use of the reason about sexuality is function of age, of the body, of the capacity of volition for the consenting (soul and soul, body and soul with al corollaries): see canon law.

No no no. I do not believe, that the private sexual acts between consenting adults or between consenting teenagers have to be criminalized by the state. It is not the role of the Penal law of State.

 

[devoutchristian]

He seems to me that you refuse use the realistic and objective philosophy of law of State, in the catholic manner: the metaphysics of criminal law, the epistemology of the criminal law, the metaphysics of role of the State, the epistemology of the role of State;
And
He seems to me that you refuse to use the catholic theology of the human nature via the anthropology of the holy revelation (holy bible, Old Testament and New testament, in knowing the the Old Testament has to be read and understood at the light of the new testament and the catholic doctrine: not mora not less: Caesar and God, the distinction of the temporal power and of spiritual power (distinction is not separation) with the corollaries: the moral distinction of the sphere of the morality, and of the sphere of the penal law of State and of the governement (the natural moral order of the human nature with the corollaries and the natural moral order of the State and of the penal law).

Do you see the Ten Commandments, per se in all topics, as a penal code of right of the State? There is a distinction between the temporal power and the spiritual power (Caesar and God). The Old testament is finished on some parts. Now, it is the new law: see that there are two spheres, otherwise it is morally wrong, unfair and not catholic. The debate is very difficult and thus probably impossible , if you do not accept this principle of two spheres.

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I’m done arguing with you. You’re clearly just a troll who thinks that he can gain credibility by us ing a bunch of long words that he doesn’t understand Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[devoutchristian]

Who are you for stating that I am a self-avowed heretic?

I am not . . . an christian orthodox person

He seems to me that you refuse use the realistic and objective philosophy of law of State, in the catholic manner: the metaphysics of criminal law, the epistemology of the criminal law, the metaphysics of role of the State, the epistemology of the role of State;
And
He seems to me that you refuse to use the catholic theology of the human nature via the anthropology of the holy revelation (holy bible, Old Testament and New testament, in knowing the the Old Testament has to be read and understood at the light of the new testament and the catholic doctrine: not mora not less: Caesar and God, the distinction of the temporal power and of spiritual power (distinction is not separation) with the corollaries: the moral distinction of the sphere of the morality, and of the sphere of the penal law of State and of the governement (the natural moral order of the human nature with the corollaries and the natural moral order of the State and of the penal law).

Do you see the Ten Commandments, per se in all topics, as a penal code of right of the State? There is a distinction between the temporal power and the spiritual power (Caesar and God). The Old testament is finished on some parts. Now, it is the new law: see that there are two spheres, otherwise it is morally wrong, unfair and not catholic. The debate is very difficult and thus probably impossible , if you do not accept this principle of two spheres.

]

I’m done arguing with you. You’re clearly just a troll who thinks that he can gain credibility by using a bunch of long words that he doesn’t understand (your non-understanding of them is evident from the fact that you used most of them incorrectly). Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[marymary1975]

Hey in Massachusetts adultery is a crime, now good luck prosecuting someone for adultery but still it is a crime.

 

[down_under]

He seems to me that you refuse use the realistic and objective philosophy of law of State, in the catholic manner: the metaphysics of criminal law, the epistemology of the criminal law, the metaphysics of role of the State, the epistemology of the role of State;
And
He seems to me that you refuse to use the catholic theology of the human nature via the anthropology of the holy revelation (holy bible, Old Testament and New testament, in knowing the the Old Testament has to be read and understood at the light of the new testament and the catholic doctrine: not mora not less: Caesar and God, the distinction of the temporal power and of spiritual power (distinction is not separation) with the corollaries: the moral distinction of the sphere of the morality, and of the sphere of the penal law of State and of the governement (the natural moral order of the human nature with the corollaries and the natural moral order of the State and of the penal law).

Do you see the Ten Commandments, per se in all topics, as a penal code of right of the State? There is a distinction between the temporal power and the spiritual power (Caesar and God). The Old testament is finished on some parts. Now, it is the new law: see that there are two spheres, otherwise it is morally wrong, unfair and not catholic. The debate is very difficult and thus probably impossible , if you do not accept this principle of two spheres.

]

I ask for a third time in good Christian charity, please, you have stated that Christian teaching is that the state should at no time punish people for offences against Christian moral teaching. Okay I have I your argument wrong please correct me, but what source do you give for this teaching or interpretation of the bible? what approved teacher tells us this? If you cannot answer this basic question then you leave us believing this is only your point of view and the view of no one else. So please inform the ignorant and give is the Pope or Saint who first taught this so we can understand where you are coming from. because yes I believe it would be (at least) more economical for a man to put the offender (and possibly his wife) in jail then to blow his arm off with a shot gun. (its called country justice and it does tend on occasion to happen in the south.) If you leave a man no legal recourse after such a crime then you can only expect that some of the time extraordinarily bad things are going to happen with the various malformed consciousness that exist in our society. (hitting him in the head with a hammer applies to your less free places in the world)

 

[Sair]

Tonight, I was reading a post that talked about how the Catholic Church wants abortion to be outlawed, and how things like murder are outlawed. But why not adultery? I know it has to do with privacy and such, but why not outlaw it if it is as wrong. A sin is a sin no matter what, and if I remember what I was taught in Catholic School, Adultery is a grave sin, just like abortion. I also wonder about Homosexuality. Why didn’t we keep it criminalized, and why didn’t the church campaign to keep it that way?

Perhaps because Western nations that embraced the Enlightenment are somewhat (but maybe only somewhat) more progressive and compassionate and intelligent than theocratic dictatorships like those one encounters in, for example, the Middle East?