Why isn't confirmation harder?

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We don’t see most of them after Confirmation as it is now. Perhaps we may have less children coming to religious ed, but we can be sure that they will come from families who are serious about their faith. There is a crisis in catechesis right now. The children are not learning much, the catechists themselves don’t know much, and many people see the sacraments as a commodity and religious ed as a hoop they have to jump through.
That’s what I found when our youngest was in Confirmation class. I couldn’t contradict the teacher but I made sure he got the right information at home and talked to the priest about the wrong information the kids were getting.
 
We don’t see most of them after Confirmation as it is now. Perhaps we may have less children coming to religious ed, but we can be sure that they will come from families who are serious about their faith.
But the children from families who are serious about their faith are not the children we need most. Much better to have children coming from families who are lukewarm about their faith, than those from strong Catholic families. With a good catechist you can reach those children whose families just send them along because they have to. Much better to reach one child and put him on the right path than to catechise many who are already heading in the right direction. Better to grab one lost sheep whose heading into the wrong field than to tidy up all the sheep who are already heading in the right way into the pen. It can be done.
the catechists themselves don’t know much
And that is a serious problem. Too often the catechist is simply someone well-meaning who put his or her hand up and said, “I’ll do that” and the parish priest, thankful that someone has volunteered to help, says “Thank you very much, join the programme”. Without proper catechesis training for the catechists, you don’t know what they know, or what misconceptions they may have about the sacraments or our Faith.
 
I think it’s a smart thing when the leaders of the church choose to use the opportunity of the sacrament of Confirmation to give those receiving it additional instruction and I agree that this instruction, and perhaps the ceremony associated with it, should be impressive about what a wonderful thing our faith is.

Unfortunately, parents these days aren’t always so good at teaching this stuff from inside the home, and aren’t so great at following through on catechism, CCD or whatever classes they bring the children to. Some parents who have promised to bring up their children as Catholic, have abdicated this responsibility, following the faith when it’s convenient. Unfortunately, that means the children who could and should have been a stronger grounding in faith will lose the opportunity.

When our leaders take the opportunity to create a series of classes, a nice ceremony, and to do it at an age when the children are able to develop a better understanding of our faith, then at least the parents who are TRYING (if often forgetting and failing) to meet the requirements of our faith, will be bringing the kids in for classes and the kids will be exposed to it. I agree that it would be nice if these classes were designed to ignite love for our faith in the hearts of those who are preparing for confirmation. Some parishes and dioceses accomplish this, others do not.

However, even if there is a good program of preparation, it is not a guarantee that someone will pay attention… or even the parents will treat it as anything other than a mere formality. If the parents do not consider it an important thing, the kids will not.

Thinking it through… if the Church does not consider it worthy of making a significant preparation and/or ceremony, then why would the parents feel any differently?

I understand that the sacraments are gifts and God does not confer the gifts only on people who took a class or wore a particular dress or passed a test… but as humans, we like to wrap up our important gifts, take classes to help us understand, try to create traditions that will make the recipient of the gift to take it seriously. I think that’s a valuable thing… to the extent that some parishes and dioceses do not pay attention to this, I pray that they will start.

Maybe the poster of this original question in this thread has a point, though… in the jewish faith, there is a particular ceremony, well known, with classes leading up to it, that signfies their right of passage. The ultimate faith-result may be different, but wouldn’t it be a good thing for our leadership to prescribe a specific procedure, classes leading up to it, measureable prerequisites for getting it?

We get specific and detailed, with significant and moving preparation for the ceremonies (which are well known beyond just members of the Catholic faith) in instances of baptism, marriage, confession, holy orders and last rites. But when it comes to confirmation? Sometimes the bishop does it, sometimes not. Sometimes it’s for older teens, sometimes elemetary school kids. Sometimes there is a specific uniform or dress, sometimes now. Heck, my husband recently got confirmed and I was surprised that something I thought was automatic… taking a new name of a saint… was not even discussed. The ceremony of it… the package that we wrap this gift in… is so haphazard, I have to think it would be nice if our leaders would create a more stable way of making it special.
 
That’s what happened to me. First confirmation, followed by First Communion. IIRC the delay to the teenage years seems to be an American phenomenon.
Definitely not just an American phenomenon. Confirmation in the teen years is common throughout Europe.
 
However, even if there is a good program of preparation, it is not a guarantee that someone will pay attention… or even the parents will treat it as anything other than a mere formality. If the parents do not consider it an important thing, the kids will not.
Not always, you can open up some and you can see the Holy Spirit ignite them. When this happens, the chances are that this child will stay with the Church, regardless of parental views. Let’s be realistic, we are not looking to create ‘perfect’, pious Catholics, we are looking to inspire and have these Catholic children stay with us as adults.
Thinking it through… if the Church does not consider it worthy of making a significant preparation and/or ceremony, then why would the parents feel any differently?
If what we prepare them for is about a grand ceremony, then the chances are as soon as the ceremony is over, they’ll be gone. The ceremony should be incidental to the main purpose. If we make too much of the ceremony, then the kids will think have it reinforced that that is the reason they are coming, to go to the classes in order to get to the ceremony.
 
Not always, you can open up some and you can see the Holy Spirit ignite them. When this happens, the chances are that this child will stay with the Church, regardless of parental views. Let’s be realistic, we are not looking to create ‘perfect’, pious Catholics, we are looking to inspire and have these Catholic children stay with us as adults.
We’ve a family of 4 boys/young men… I’ve never seen a parent with them on sunday nor holy days, but they are there, EVERY major holy day and EVERY Sunday… And they are serving at the Altar.

I’m just happy they love coming to church on Sunday.
 
Maybe the poster of this original question in this thread has a point, though… in the jewish faith, there is a particular ceremony, well known, with classes leading up to it, that signfies their right of passage. The ultimate faith-result may be different, but wouldn’t it be a good thing for our leadership to prescribe a specific procedure, classes leading up to it, measureable prerequisites for getting it?
That sounds like earning a Scout badge where you need to fulfill 8 of 10 elements. Sacraments are not things we need to earn. Confirmation is not a Scout badge. Confirmation is an obligation for all those who’ve been baptized.

It’s also a sacrament which needs no preparation at all since infants in danger of dying are to be confirmed if possible. Yes, at the age of reason our children are to receive instruction so that they come to understand what they are receiving but understanding is at the appropriate age level. What a 7 year old needs to know is not the same as a 13 year old needs to know or what an adult needs to know.

The Latin Church sets a much higher requirement for Communion than for Confirmation. A child has to know Whom he/she is receiving and be able to do it reverently. In the Latin Church you wouldn’t give an infant Communion even in danger of death, yet you’d confirm.
We get specific and detailed, with significant and moving preparation for the ceremonies (which are well known beyond just members of the Catholic faith) in instances of baptism, marriage, confession, holy orders and last rites. But when it comes to confirmation? Sometimes the bishop does it, sometimes not. Sometimes it’s for older teens, sometimes elementary school kids. Sometimes there is a specific uniform or dress, sometimes now. Heck, my husband recently got confirmed and I was surprised that something I thought was automatic… taking a new name of a saint… was not even discussed. The ceremony of it… the package that we wrap this gift in… is so haphazard, I have to think it would be nice if our leaders would create a more stable way of making it special.
Hm, I know of no preparation for last rites.

Taking a new name in confirmation is certainly not automatic. Until my 40s I’d never heard of this small ‘t’ tradition, which is by no means universal and is not part of the Rite today, if it ever was. I was confirmed in 1960 and took no new name, neither did my two brothers after me. Neither did my goddaughter for whom I was Confirmation sponsor in the 80s. Nor did any of my 3 children who were confirmed in the 90s.

It is the receiving of this sacrament that is special. We shouldn’t need ‘bling’ to make it so.
 
The Latin Church sets a much higher requirement for Communion than for Confirmation. A child has to know Whom he/she is receiving and be able to do it reverently. In the Latin Church you wouldn’t give an infant Communion even in danger of death, yet you’d confirm.
Latin Canon Law DOES specifically state that any Catholic in danger of death is to be confirmed (if needed) and communed. Including infants.
 
Well, after reading all these posts…
it’s very disheartening to see that most people believe or have experienced NOTHING good from Confirmation in their teens.

We work really hard to make it instructive and meaningful as Religious educators.
We use the Catechism, a really good curriculum, we have the priest and the Deacons heavily involved, we plan a rich retreat, we challenge the Confirmandi to really research their patron saint and do an presentation about them for the entire class, we reinforce Reconciliation procedures and make sure they go, we have them doing community service based on the Corporal works of mercy individually and as a group, and our priest personally interviews each one to make sure they fully understand their faith. We expect to see them at Mass.

Can it possibly be that we are the only ones??? No way. I don’t buy that.
Are their parents that would care less, and think it’s a card that needs to be punched? YES.
But they are not my responsibility in class, those kids are. And we find, that when the kids are on fire, it awakens whatever is dormant in their parents. The teens go home and re-catechize their parents with lively discussion. As it is,after First Communion, many people disappear. And they take their kids with them.

I get why everyone wants the restored order. I don’t. But it would mean fewer educated Catholics in the pews. If they even showed up in the first place. We find people with so many skewed ideas of what the church teaches, or doe NOT teach…I would hate to lose all those impressionable kids…Confirmation is another chance for formation. Maybe that was not what it was intended for, but I would rather be aware of what was happening than to just have it happen to me.
I’m sure many will tell me how wrong I am. But I see it working in our parish. We have a wonderful group of involved teens that work with the homeless, fed the hungry, attend Adoration, and love the Mass.
 
Latin Canon Law DOES specifically state that any Catholic in danger of death is to be confirmed (if needed) and communed. Including infants.
Confirmation, yes. Communion, no. Communion can only be given to a child who understands the difference between Communion and regular food and can receive reverently.
 
Well, after reading all these posts…
it’s very disheartening to see that most people believe or have experienced NOTHING good from Confirmation in their teens.
(Sniped)

I get why everyone wants the restored order. I don’t. But it would mean fewer educated Catholics in the pews. If they even showed up in the first place. We find people with so many skewed ideas of what the church teaches, or doe NOT teach…I would hate to lose all those impressionable kids…Confirmation is another chance for formation. Maybe that was not what it was intended for, but I would rather be aware of what was happening than to just have it happen to me.
I’m sure many will tell me how wrong I am. But I see it working in our parish. We have a wonderful group of involved teens that work with the homeless, fed the hungry, attend Adoration, and love the Mass.
That’s why it’s the parents who need catechizing. And why the process that we used for catechesis for 12 years in our diocese insisted that at least one parent or the sponsor be present at all sessions.
 
Well, after reading all these posts…
it’s very disheartening to see that most people believe or have experienced NOTHING good from Confirmation in their teens.
It isn’t about the ceremony, no more than receiving the Eucharist is about the First Holy Communion rigmarole. Our faith is not about grand theatrical moments in our lives (First Holy Communion, Confirmation day, Wedding day) it is about the ongoing grace we receive from the sacraments.

The trouble is that catechesis before they sacraments is portrayed as a case of, “You need to do these classes before you are ready to receive the sacrament”. That reinforces the misconception (amongst catechists as well as those being catechised) that you need to receive catechesis specific to and specifically for the sacrament, and that you need to achieve a certain level of knowledge before you can receive the sacraments . The reality is that you don’t need this at all. The whole build up to the sacrament, with all the classes and preparation, and all the fuss about the ‘big day’ (which in the case of First Holy Communion and a Wedding Day really is way over the top) reinforces a notion that it is all about that ‘special day’.

Catechesis should, in my opinion, not be specifically related to the sacraments at all, but ought to be general. The problem is then, how do we get people to come along?
 
Can it possibly be that we are the only ones??? No way. I don’t buy that.
Are their parents that would care less, and think it’s a card that needs to be punched? YES.
But they are not my responsibility in class, those kids are. And we find, that when the kids are on fire, it awakens whatever is dormant in their parents. The teens go home and re-catechize their parents with lively discussion.

Iw wrong I am. But I see it working in our parish. We have a wonderful group of involved teens that work with the homeless, fed the hungry, attend Adoration, and love the Mass.
I need to ask how many children are in your Confirmation class?
 
Ah, it certainly seems hard enough for me right now (the emotional commitment of declaring to myself, God, and the world that I am a Catholic) – mine’s happening in June, and I’m excited and terrified at the same time.
 
Confirmation, yes. Communion, no. Communion can only be given to a child who understands the difference between Communion and regular food and can receive reverently.
But communion can be given to infants in a Latin Rite Church if the infant is a confirmed member of an Eastern Catholic Church. In fact, they must do so.
 
But communion can be given to infants in a Latin Rite Church if the infant is a confirmed member of an Eastern Catholic Church. In fact, they must do so.
Yes, of course. But Aramis had specifically said that Latin Canon Law decreed the communing of infants in danger of dying. It obviously doesn’t:
Can. 913 §1. The administration of the Most Holy Eucharist to children requires that they have sufficient knowledge and careful preparation so that they understand the mystery of Christ according to their capacity and are able to receive the body of Christ with faith and devotion.
§2. The Most Holy Eucharist, however, can be administered to children in danger of death if they can distinguish the body of Christ from ordinary food and receive communion reverently.
 
Many Bishops require that Catholic children attend Catholic schools; one assumes the reason is to provide children with the opportunity to be catechized.

Meanwhile, preparation for the Sacraments isn’t supposed to be difficult. My understanding is that it is supposed to be direct and to the point - what are the elements of this Sacrament, what do they signify, and what do they do? Who administers this Sacrament? Who may receive it? How, when, and under what circumstances do we receive it?
 
It isn’t about the ceremony, no more than receiving the Eucharist is about the First Holy Communion rigmarole. Our faith is not about grand theatrical moments in our lives (First Holy Communion, Confirmation day, Wedding day) it is about the ongoing grace we receive from the sacraments.

The trouble is that catechesis before they sacraments is portrayed as a case of, “You need to do these classes before you are ready to receive the sacrament”. That reinforces the misconception (amongst catechists as well as those being catechised) that you need to receive catechesis specific to and specifically for the sacrament, and that you need to achieve a certain level of knowledge before you can receive the sacraments . The reality is that you don’t need this at all. The whole build up to the sacrament, with all the classes and preparation, and all the fuss about the ‘big day’ (which in the case of First Holy Communion and a Wedding Day really is way over the top) reinforces a notion that it is all about that ‘special day’.

Catechesis should, in my opinion, not be specifically related to the sacraments at all, but ought to be general. The problem is then, how do we get people to come along?
They won’t. Just like you need to take driving lessons before we turn you loose in a car.
If classes we not mandatory no one would come. Something is always more important to most of the people.

PRIESTS & BISHOPS insist that we catechize people. That’s what we’re supposed to do.
How can that be wrong? And it IS a big deal. Ask anyone who is away from the Eucharist because of a pending annulment. People tend to celebrate life changing moments. 🙂

You have a strong love for the faith, and I’ll wager it’s because someone taught you when you were young. I don’t know any priest who would just hand out Sacraments to anyone who walked up without knowing if they were properly disposed. maybe that’s only here…as I say, I’ve pretty shocked at what people have said. 🤷
 
Many Bishops require that Catholic children attend Catholic schools; one assumes the reason is to provide children with the opportunity to be catechized.

Meanwhile, preparation for the Sacraments isn’t supposed to be difficult. My understanding is that it is supposed to be direct and to the point - what are the elements of this Sacrament, what do they signify, and what do they do? Who administers this Sacrament? Who may receive it? How, when, and under what circumstances do we receive it?
REQUIRE attendance at Catholic schools??? Not in the Sates my friend. That would never go over. And there aren’t enough to go around if they tried it.
And all of those things you mention…are just facts. Nothing spiritual to it. That’s NOT catechesis. If that were all there was to it, why not just let people read off the internet, and then do as they please? Why prevent non-Catholics from communing? Why the fuss about annulments? Really. Learning is not difficult. The kids love it. It’s the parents who do not want to take the time to see that their children receive instruction.
 
I need to ask how many children are in your Confirmation class?
20 kids and 10 adults in a separate session, so 30 people total, in a parish of about 700 families.
We put the same effort into it as does the parish down the road that has 70-100 Confirmands.
 
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