Why Jesus over Lord Krishna?

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Jesus is preferred over Lord Krishna because he is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, as an earlier poster said. While other religions search in symbols and images for the one true god, Catholicism actually possesses this God in the most holy sacrament of the altar. Thus our orientation as Catholics should be outward and evangelistic, that others may come to see the truth contained in the religion of the Word made flesh that is Christ Jesus.
 
Jesus is preferred over Lord Krishna because he is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, as an earlier poster said. While other religions search in symbols and images for the one true god, Catholicism actually possesses this God in the most holy sacrament of the altar. Thus our orientation as Catholics should be outward and evangelistic, that others may come to see the truth contained in the religion of the Word made flesh that is Christ Jesus.
Of course Jesus should be preferred over Krishna by all Christians. It is not even necessary for Christians to consider Krishna, Jesus should be able to meet all their needs.

However, this conviction that Jesus is the one and only ‘Son of God’ is not wise and is going to be sorely tested when someone like the muslim Imam Mahdi returns first.

Prophecy says that the Mahdi will return before Jesus, and such a messenger of God can not be ignored. Christians will have a very difficult time accepting him as such - that could cause a great upheaval in the Christian world.
 
I said the Jesus would not treat people differently on the basis of their religions, but on the basis of their conduct he definitely will.

Of course he has already said he would divide people into goats and sheep on the basis of Matthew 25:35-40. The separation will happen based on their attitude to the poor and hungry, to the sick and those in need of healthcare, to welcoming strangers/immigrants and being kind to those in prison. But this criteria for separation applies to everyone equally. It does not depend on their religion.

No Krishna does ask for any faith in himself personally.
According to Our Lord, He will judge based upon religion as well as good works. In St. John iii. 5, “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” This is a reference to Baptism which he instructs the Apostles to do in St. Matthew xxviii. 19, “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” If people are not baptized into the Catholic Church, they will be treated differently, regardless of their good works.
 
According to Our Lord, He will judge based upon religion as well as good works. In St. John iii. 5, “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” This is a reference to Baptism which he instructs the Apostles to do in St. Matthew xxviii. 19, “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” If people are not baptized into the Catholic Church, they will be treated differently, regardless of their good works.
This is more than one way of being ‘born of the spirit’ or being ‘born again’, but if you want to believe that just by being Catholic will give you special privileges when Jesus Returns, that is quite OK.
 
Of course Jesus should be preferred over Krishna by all Christians. It is not even necessary for Christians to consider Krishna, Jesus should be able to meet all their needs.

However, this conviction that Jesus is the one and only ‘Son of God’ is not wise and is going to be sorely tested when someone like the muslim Imam Mahdi returns first.

Prophecy says that the Mahdi will return before Jesus, and such a messenger of God can not be ignored. Christians will have a very difficult time accepting him as such - that could cause a great upheaval in the Christian world.
Whose prophecy? I thought Shias believed Jesus and the Mahdi would return at the same time at Damascus. Nonetheless Jesus is the unique Son of God - unigenitus filius Patri.
 
If people are not baptized into the Catholic Church, they will be treated differently, regardless of their good works.
Yes, and this is because works must be joined to grace for supernatural merit. Simply being “a good person” is not enough to merit the Beatific Vision. We must be transformed by the sacraments.
 
Whose prophecy? I thought Shias believed Jesus and the Mahdi would return at the same time at Damascus. Nonetheless Jesus is the unique Son of God - unigenitus filius Patri.
The prophecy says that the Mahdi will return first and then Jesus will return - but they will meet at some time (maybe in Damascus). So there may be a couple years in between their two Returns. Whether you call him a ‘Son of God’ or not, the Mahdi is still considered a messenger of God, so your reaction to him is significant.
 
The prophecy says that the Mahdi will return first and then Jesus will return - but they will meet at some time (maybe in Damascus). So there may be a couple years in between their two Returns. Whether you call him a ‘Son of God’ or not, the Mahdi is still considered a messenger of God, so your reaction to him is significant.
If only you could consider what the meeting may be like, then the rest is also described the way it was.

God bless you Regards Tony
 
I said the Jesus would not treat people differently on the basis of their religions, but on the basis of their conduct he definitely will.

Of course he has already said he would divide people into goats and sheep on the basis of Matthew 25:35-40. The separation will happen based on their attitude to the poor and hungry, to the sick and those in need of healthcare, to welcoming strangers/immigrants and being kind to those in prison. But this criteria for separation applies to everyone equally. It does not depend on their religion.

No Krishna does ask for any faith in himself personally.
That is only to take a portion of what Christ said concerning morals and ignore the theological statements Christ made concerning himself. That whoever does not take up his cross and follow him is not worthy of him. Part of Christ’s mission was not only to reveal a new way but to reveal himself as the object of faith, hence why the desciple emphasized faith in the Christ. Christ said whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, whoever disbelieves in the Son does not have eternal life. If Christ did not expect to be the object of faith, then he would not have died for our sins, yet he did so. So part of Christ treating people is to take into account their knowledge of him for only through him can we know the Father.

Since you say Krishna did not ask for faith in him personally I will take those words as true, but Christ did demand a faith in him personally. In this respect we can see a difference between Krishna and Christ and that Christ necessarily claims to be greater if he demands faith in himself and his teachings.
 
I’m not Hindu but I just want to point out that religious syncretism is not “dishonest” in Hinduism. For a Hindu, “more is more and more is better.” The Hindu mind is dualistic (atman is brahman) and thus not so interested in making sure that all the stories about different gods are logically compatible in the way a devout Catholic or other monotheist would be. Some gods like Brahma and Vishnu mutually created each other according to Hinduism. This is why Hindus are perfectly willing to accept Jesus as a God (specifically an avatar of Vishnu) but not as the God. One doesn’t have to agree with this, but understanding it avoids projecting unto others a Western conception of psychology.
The parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant applies here. This is a Jain version:

Once upon a time, there lived six blind men in a village. One day the villagers told them, “Hey, there is an elephant in the village today.”

They had no idea what an elephant is. They decided, “Even though we would not be able to see it, let us go and feel it anyway.” All of them went where the elephant was. Everyone of them touched the elephant.

“Hey, the elephant is a pillar,” said the first man who touched his leg.

“Oh, no! it is like a rope,” said the second man who touched the tail.

“Oh, no! it is like a thick branch of a tree,” said the third man who touched the trunk of the elephant.

“It is like a big hand fan” said the fourth man who touched the ear of the elephant.

“It is like a huge wall,” said the fifth man who touched the belly of the elephant.

“It is like a solid pipe,” Said the sixth man who touched the tusk of the elephant.

They began to argue about the elephant and everyone of them insisted that he was right. It looked like they were getting agitated. A wise man was passing by and he saw this. He stopped and asked them, “What is the matter?” They said, “We cannot agree to what the elephant is like.” Each one of them told what he thought the elephant was like. The wise man calmly explained to them, “All of you are right. The reason every one of you is telling it differently because each one of you touched the different part of the elephant. So, actually the elephant has all those features what you all said.”

“Oh!” everyone said. There was no more fight. They felt happy that they were all right.

How can a finite human mind encompass an infinite God? At most it can encompass a part of Him.

rossum
 
…Christ said whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, whoever disbelieves in the Son does not have eternal life. If Christ did not expect to be the object of faith, then he would not have died for our sins, yet he did so. So part of Christ treating people is to take into account their knowledge of him for only through him can we know the Father.,.
Exactly! He says whoever believes in the Son who reaches the Father (not someone who believes in Jesus personally). The Son incarnates as many different individuals at different times in history. It is does not matter which incarnation you follow. So Jesus is quite sufficient for all Catholics, you can just ignore all the other incarnations.

Actually it is not a question of belief in the personality of the Son, although that may be the Catholic dogma, it is teachings of the Son that are important to follow. Matthew 25:35-40 does not say anything about beliefs.
 
Is there any evidence that Krishna actually existed on earth? Was he a historical figure?
 
We have the Bhagvat Gita which is said to have been his own words. So whoever wrote or spoke those words is Krishna.
So I guess my next question would be, what evidence is there that the Bhagavad Gita is Krishna’s own words?

Also, what evidence is there that the Bhagavad Gita is historical?
 
So I guess my next question would be, what evidence is there that the Bhagavad Gita is Krishna’s own words?

Also, what evidence is there that the Bhagavad Gita is historical?
I am not sure what you mean what evidence is that the Gita is Krishna’s words - it is obviously somebody’s words. If you want to call that person who original spoke those words from the Gita by some other name, that is ok with me. But we call that person Krishna (but you may call him Kris if you prefer)

The Bhagvat Gita is a treatise on how to live your life, so it is not a book of ‘facts’ or a book of history. So it does not contain retold facts that need to be verified like after 3 days this happened and and after 40 days that happened etc. It just contains philosophical thoughts which you may either accept or reject.
 
Exactly! He says whoever believes in the Son who reaches the Father (not someone who believes in Jesus personally). The Son incarnates as many different individuals at different times in history. It is does not matter which incarnation you follow. So Jesus is quite sufficient for all Catholics, you can just ignore all the other incarnations.

Actually it is not a question of belief in the personality of the Son, although that may be the Catholic dogma, it is teachings of the Son that are important to follow. Matthew 25:35-40 does not say anything about beliefs.
That’s not what the New testament says, the word became flesh and dwelt among us. John doesn’t tell us of multiple incarnations and I have no reason to trust he has incarnated more than once. In fact it makes no sense for him to incarnate more than once since Christ accomplishes in the act of one incarnation the purpose of incarnation, uniting man with God. That is in taking on our humanity, suffering and living in a truly human way in all things without sin, Christ became the object of our salvation.

As for ignoring other incarnations, I just don’t accept the premise that there was more than one incarnation. I once again have to say you take one part of Christ’s teaching, his moral teaching and elevate that beyond the theological statements he gave. the same Christ said this also:

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.John 3:36

Notice also what the parable about the sheep and the goats says about Jesus.

But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. Mat 25:31

The Son is coming in power, he is attributing something to himself which none of the prophets attributed to themselves, to be the judge, to be the object of faith for all those who believe. This is evident when he personally divides the sheep from the goats.

We can also see Jesus emphasizing faith in himself earlier in the Gospel when he tells the rich young man what he lacks.

Mat 10:21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

The rich man fulfilled the demands of righteousness and yet this wasn’t enough to become perfect (and Jesus tells us to become perfect even as our father is perfect), he had to follow Jesus. He had to commit himself to the Lord.
 
I am not sure what you mean what evidence is that the Gita is Krishna’s words - it is obviously somebody’s words. If you want to call that person who original spoke those words from the Gita by some other name, that is ok with me. But we call that person Krishna (but you may call him Kris if you prefer)

The Bhagvat Gita is a treatise on how to live your life, so it is not a book of ‘facts’ or a book of history. So it does not contain retold facts that need to be verified like after 3 days this happened and and after 40 days that happened etc. It just contains philosophical thoughts which you may either accept or reject.
My original question was “Is there any evidence that Krishna actually existed on earth? Was he a historical figure?”. In response to that question, you said that we have the Bhagavad Gita, which is said to have been the words of Krishna. So, my subsequent questions were based on your response to my initial one. If the Bhagavad Gita is being presented by you as evidence that Krishna actually existed on earth (if it isn’t, then I’m not sure why you said what you did in response to that question), then I’d like to know why you believe that is the words of Krishna. How do you know that?

So, it seems as if we’re back to my original question: is there any evidence that Krishna actually existed on earth?
 
Let me start off by saying I do not write this to mock Hinduism or to disparage Hindus, but merely report my own findings. If you believe I am mistaken somewhere, please let me know and I will rectify. 😃


  1. *] The Biblical account (the Gospels, since we’re discussing Jesus) seems to be telling a true historical account of eyewitness events (have a look at the section entitled “The Historical Evidence” on this tract). Can this be said for Krishna?
    *] The extra-Biblical evidence seems strong for Jesus (the martyrdom testimony of the Apostles, atleast of Peter, Paul and James; more at “The External Evidence” in this tract). Can this be said for Krishna?
    *] There’s no evidence that Jesus was ever with a woman, and it seems he remained chaste while He walked the Earth. However, it seems Krishna was a bit … different in this regard.
    As a youth he is irrestible; he courts and wins the love of countless peasant girls. Later he turns solemn and goes to war-and fulfills the prophecy of the seers by killing the king. He marries more than 16,000 wives, who bear him 180,000 sons.
    Krishna, in addition to all his other attributes, was a man women could not resist. When he played his flute at night, ladies - even respectable married ones - felt helplessly drawn to his side.
    — Historic India by Lucille Schulberg
 
John doesn’t tell us of multiple incarnations and I have no reason to trust he has incarnated more than once. In fact it makes no sense for him to incarnate more than once since Christ accomplishes in the act of one incarnation the purpose of incarnation, uniting man with God. That is in taking on our humanity, suffering and living in a truly human way in all things without sin, Christ became the object of our salvation.
The reason for multiple incarnations is that knowledge about God and spiritual world is as vast as that of the natural world. One incarnation can only reveal as much of this vast knowledge as those listening can handle. Even our knowledge about salvation is not yet complete.

I know the Bible does not mention multiple incarnations and there is no reason for you to believe in them. If you were living in the last few centuries I would agree with you - there was no need to even think about other incarnations, including Krishna.

However, we are at a point in history, when there will be two more incarnations soon - one is the muslim Mahdi and the second (a couple of years later) would be the Returned Jesus. It would good to be ready to receive both, even though you only believe in the second one.
I once again have to say you take one part of Christ’s teaching, his moral teaching and elevate that beyond the theological statements he gave. the same Christ said this also:

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.John 3:36
I think in John 3:36, those are John’s own words not directly those of Jesus. There is something similar in I John, but I still don’t think they are directly Jesus’s words ether.
But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. Mat 25:31

The Son is coming in power, he is attributing something to himself which none of the prophets attributed to themselves, to be the judge, to be the object of faith for all those who believe. This is evident when he personally divides the sheep from the goats.
We need to wait and see how this manifests - as I said there are two incarnations coming soon. I think the separation of goats and sheep is already happening per Matthew 25:35-40
We can also see Jesus emphasizing faith in himself earlier in the Gospel when he tells the rich young man what he lacks.

Mat 10:21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

The rich man fulfilled the demands of righteousness and yet this wasn’t enough to become perfect (and Jesus tells us to become perfect even as our father is perfect), he had to follow Jesus. He had to commit himself to the Lord.
I am not that familiar with this story, I thought the rich man did not give up his possessions? I think it is perfectly OK to believe that faith in the person of Jesus is a requirement for salvation and that everyone else is doomed (except for God’s mercy of course).

But this kind of belief will lead to great disappointment when a new revelation teaches otherwise - and as I said a new revelation is almost upon us.
 
My original question was “Is there any evidence that Krishna actually existed on earth? Was he a historical figure?”. In response to that question, you said that we have the Bhagavad Gita, which is said to have been the words of Krishna. So, my subsequent questions were based on your response to my initial one. If the Bhagavad Gita is being presented by you as evidence that Krishna actually existed on earth (if it isn’t, then I’m not sure why you said what you did in response to that question), then I’d like to know why you believe that is the words of Krishna. How do you know that?

So, it seems as if we’re back to my original question: is there any evidence that Krishna actually existed on earth?
I personally believe in words of Krishna - the Bhagvat Gita on its merits. Of course a lot others also believe in them. Like I said, if in your opinion Krishna did not exist of earth, that is OK. In that case, I believe in whoever wrote those words. And I call that person Krishna.
 
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