why Jews don't believe in Jesus

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I think it would be much more likely that Christianity, being the newer religion, would take steps to disassociate itself from Judaism rather than Judaism changing dogma to disassociate itself from Christianity.
You might think so but when Jews say all the time there is no such thing as Satan or Hell in Judaism and then we dig around to see is is yetzer hara and gehenna, those things tell me the opposite. Jews are always the ones claiming they are mutually exclusive religions, not the Christians.
 
If they read the NT like I do nowhere does Jesus say he is God.

But even without that deity issue, they would still charge him with blasphemy and being a false prophet simply because he said he is Messiah but didn’t fulfill prophecies because they’ve been brainwashed to think Suffering Servant who must be rejected at first isn’t about Messiah.
well, that’s not true. It is not a capital offense to declare oneself the Messiah. I’ll ignore the rest of your post.
 
You might think so but when Jews say all the time there is no such thing as Satan or Hell in Judaism and then we dig around to see is is yetzer hara and gehenna, those things tell me the opposite. Jews are always the ones claiming they are mutually exclusive religions, not the Christians.
You should dig deeper.
 
You should dig deeper.
Are you really saying that you have never heard a Jew say that there is no hell in Judaism? Because in the ten years I’ve been discussing religion like I do now, many Jews say this until I show them what the sages say about Gehenna, then they are silent about it.

Fact is many Jews aren’t aware of their own teachings in Judaism and simply parrot what others say in efforts to create the illusion that Judaism is unique in every way from Christianity. When that’s not really the truth. They are different, but not completely different.
 
and still do, they are waiting on the Temple.
What’s so important about building a Temple. Extra Knowledge We Muslims believes that…

Quran 4:157 And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh,” - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Īsā (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not :
 
Are you really saying that you have never heard a Jew say that there is no hell in Judaism? Because in the ten years I’ve been discussing religion like I do now, many Jews say this until I show them what the sages say about Gehenna, then they are silent about it.

Fact is many Jews aren’t aware of their own teachings in Judaism and simply parrot what others say in efforts to create the illusion that Judaism is unique in every way from Christianity. When that’s not really the truth. They are different, but not completely different.
there is no clear dogma in Judaism regarding heaven or hell, other than they exist. FOr the most part, Jews believe that after a purification period, we go to “heaven”. THe concept of a Christian Hell was certainly not part of Judaism before christianity. So if anything, the concept of Hell in Judiasm is an adaption of Christian beliefs, not a rejection of them.

As for your knowledge of Judiasm, I can only tell you that from all the posts you put up here, it seem to be superficial. Take for example your attempt to equate Gehenna with the christian concept of Hell.
 
I think it would be much more likely that Christianity, being the newer religion, would take steps to disassociate itself from Judaism rather than Judaism changing dogma to disassociate itself from Christianity.
Wasn’t Christianity one trend among others in Judaism, actually even before it was called Christianity? I thought there was room for many different trends… At one point, Valke2, the Christians, at least those who were born Jewish, used to go to the Temple or to synagogues, and then, the Jewish authorties said that anyone who would call themselves disciples of Jesus of Nazareth would not be admitted there any more. So they were kinda forced out, you see.
 
there is no clear dogma in Judaism regarding heaven or hell, other than they exist. FOr the most part, Jews believe that after a purification period, we go to “heaven”. THe concept of a Christian Hell was certainly not part of Judaism before christianity. So if anything, the concept of Hell in Judiasm is an adaption of Christian beliefs, not a rejection of them.
Forget the flames and pitchforks for a moment…

The most basic part of “Christian Hell” is that it is a place without God, and a place without love. A place where one’s innate desire for communion with God cannot be fulfilled, and therefore is a place of torment.

My knowledge of Judaism is also superficial, but I read the psalms a lot, and it seems to me that there are many instances of petition not to be sent to the place where one cannot see God’s face, or give him worship. Perhaps this isn’t what the Jews call Gehenna, but at this level, it seems quite close to the Christian Hell.

And on a positive note…the idea of a purification period before going to Heaven aligns nicely with the Catholic concept of Purgatory 🙂
 
Wasn’t Christianity one trend among others in Judaism, actually even before it was called Christianity? I thought there was room for many different trends… At one point, Valke2, the Christians, at least those who were born Jewish, used to go to the Temple or to synagogues, and then, the Jewish authorties said that anyone who would call themselves disciples of Jesus of Nazareth would not be admitted there any more. So they were kinda forced out, you see.
There was room for different sects and Christianity was really a sect of Judaism for 100 years more or less. As to how this ended, I’d have to do a little research. But I don’t really dispute anything here.
 
Well, what of it? What then is Gehenna to you?
Originally, nothing more than a burning garbage dump. It evolved more into a concept of a kind of purgatory rather than hell. The concept of Gehenna being equated to Hell is first set forth in the the Christian Bible, in two of the Gospels. In a very few, special cases, the soul stays there for eternity, and that is only according to some Rabbis.

The physical place which it is named from was a dumping ground for improper sacrifices and garbage.
 
Originally, nothing more than a burning garbage dump. It evolved more into a concept of a kind of purgatory rather than hell. The concept of Gehenna being equated to Hell is first set forth in the the Christian Bible, in two of the Gospels. In a very few, special cases, the soul stays there for eternity, and that is only according to some Rabbis.

The physical place which it is named from was a dumping ground for improper sacrifices and garbage.
Then where do the people who did unspeakable wrong and don’t even repent from having done them, according to Judaism?
 
There was room for different sects and Christianity was really a sect of Judaism for 100 years more or less. As to how this ended, I’d have to do a little research. But I don’t really dispute anything here.
I thinkit was more like 40 years until the revolt in 70 (?) when the Temple was destroyed. The Christians heeded the warning of Matthew 24 and fled while the non-Christians fought and died. Besides creating resentments, this action highlighted the differences in beliefs and priorities. Soon thereafter the excommunication prayer-curse was introduced into synagogue prayers.
 
As for your knowledge of Judiasm, I can only tell you that from all the posts you put up here, it seem to be superficial. Take for example your attempt to equate Gehenna with the christian concept of Hell.
Do you mean the Catholic concept of Hell which is temporary Purgatory for some. Or eternal Lake of Fire for others?

Explain how these two Christian places of Hell differ vastly from what you say next:

“It evolved more into a concept of a kind of purgatory rather than hell…In a very few, special cases, the soul stays there for eternity, and that is only according to some Rabbis.”

I bet most rabbis at least hope Hitler will be there for eternity.

This is what I mean by creating the illusion of great difference when there is no difference at all regarding similar concepts.
 
Do you mean the Catholic concept of Hell which is temporary Purgatory for some. Or eternal Lake of Fire for others?

Explain how these two Christian places of Hell differ vastly from what you say next:

“It evolved more into a concept of a kind of purgatory rather than hell…In a very few, special cases, the soul stays there for eternity, and that is only according to some Rabbis.”

I bet most rabbis at least hope Hitler will be there for eternity.

This is what I mean by creating the illusion of great difference when there is no difference at all regarding similar concepts.
I don’t believe christians would agree that hell and purgatory are the same thing.
 
I don’t believe christians would agree that hell and purgatory are the same thing.
Catholics should, not many Protestants.

There are two phases of hell. Jonah was in the belly of hell, he repented and was released.

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

And hell releases people for Judgment:

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

But if you are too evil, then you stay in hell and hell gets thrown to the Lake of Fire:

Revelation 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So there is a temporary hell, and an eternal hell. If you don’t repent like Jonah did, you never get out.
 
I don’t believe christians would agree that hell and purgatory are the same thing.
I’ll try to speak for the Catholic viewpoint. Hell is permanent, and there is no love, nor joy in Hell. God is not present in any form in Hell. It is painful because you realize and know that you desperately want God, but you can’t have God.

Purgatory is temporary. There is both joy and pain in Purgatory. The joy of Purgatory is thousands of times more intense than any joy on earth. And the pain is thousands of times more intense than any pain on earth. The joy comes from sort of being “in sight” of heaven, and knowing that you will get there eventually. The pain comes from having to give up (sacrifice) our disordered desires and attachments and pay for any remaining temporal punishment which is due to our sins. And there is the pain from “having to wait to get to heaven”.

So, heaven and purgatory are not the same.
 
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