Really ? Why ?Yes. Although, maybe I should be grateful since my Church - nor my brothers and sisters in the Syriac Orthodox or Malankara Orthodox Churches - wouldn’t exist in India if it weren’t for the latinization…
The St. Thomas Christians, before the 16th Cent. Portuguese arrival, of the East Syriac Rite and all belonged to one Church in full Communion with the Patriarch of the Chaldean/Assyrian Church.
I see it a little differently: not that they/you wouldn’t exist, but that they would still be with their mother church (to borrow a phrase from EOs) i.e. the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church.Yes. Although, maybe I should be grateful since my Church - nor my brothers and sisters in the Syriac Orthodox or Malankara Orthodox Churches - wouldn’t exist in India if it weren’t for the latinization…
Have you now taken to attacking people in the third person?In this thread: Peter J pretends that we live in Bizarroland, where the Coonan Cross Oath never happened.
So Roma, once again, made his work of division between two similar community ?
Peter, you still did not gave your opinion on the subject!!Have you now taken to attacking people in the third person?
Well, that may not be any of my business; but regardless, the post I was responding to clearly said "if it weren’t for … " so I thought it was appropriate for me to respond to it on its own terms.
Do you think if all “Arab” Christian Churches broke communion with Roma and returns all together under the patriarchy of the Antiochian Church and recuperate the entirety of their traditions, it will be a good thing for us (Middle Eastern Christians) ? What is your opinion about that, being a Melkite ?Hi. The three families you refer to – I mean the West Syriac family, the East Syriac family, and the Melkite/Antiochian family – are most certainly an area of interest for me.Peter, you still did not gave your opinion on the subject!!
as it has become a bit of a hot-button thread). as it has become a bit of a hot-button thread).Very pleased to meet another Maronite brother as well! Where are you located?So Roma, once again, made his work of division between two similar community ?
Anyway it is great to have your testimony brother, I will be very pleased to get acquainted in real with Malabar and Malankara Christians
Last I checked aren’t the Thomas Christians from the Assyrian Patriarchate , not Antioch? If so how is it a “return” to Antioch?Peter, you still did not gave your opinion on the subject!!
Leaving geography aside, the St Thomas Christians and the Assyrian Church of the East (along the Chaldeans, Maronites, Syriac Orthodox, and Syriac Catholics) are in the East Syriac/West Syriac family(ies).
Okkkk Peter, many thanks for your reply!!Hi. The three families you refer to – I mean the West Syriac family, the East Syriac family, and the Melkite/Antiochian family – are certainly an area of interest for me.
Anyhow, to the specific question of going-Orthodox … well, these kinds of questions are hardly ever cut and dried; but personally I’m rather skeptical of it. Even with Greek Catholics who have gone Orthodox, it saddens me, but I’ll at least say to myself “Well, it’s understandable that they wanted to reunite with their mother church (UGCC becoming Ukrainian Orthodox, Romanian Catholics becoming Romanian Orthodox, etc etc).” But when we talk about the Maronites, and the West Syriac family as a whole, it’s hard to say who’s the mother church and whose the daughter church.
Well … possibly people will read this post as a pointless ramble, but I’ll stop now. Obviously I haven’t given a complete comprehensive answer, but only brought in another factor (hopefully one that won’t heat this thread up even further
I’m from France, I lived all my life in France brother, it is also why I do many mistakes in English and I apologize for that (English teachers in France are very bad hahaha)
No friend, Assyrian Church is joined to the patriarchy of Antioch.
Maronites were very volatile among history, they always been between Orthodoxy and Catholocism it just depended on what influences they knew.
MaroniteLebaniz,
No brother, the Assyrian Church of the east is its own separate church with its apostolic succession coming from St. Thomas. The Church of antioch is a different church tracing its apostolic succession to St. Peter. Totally separate churches with two different lines of bishops.
If anything the most likely mother church for the maronites (even though I don’t believe they have one) would be the Melkite Greek Catholic Church (despite its later byzantinization) as the maronites were against the non-Chalcedonians as they themselves were Chalcedonian ,and the legitimate patriarch of antioch from the line of Chalcedon is held by the Melkites today.
What kind of logic is this?
Consider, though: that Antiochian Church split many ways since the fourth century. It lives on today in a family of churches – or rather three families, the WS family, the ES family, and the Antiochian/Melkite family. To equate is simply with the AOC of today would be a significant oversimplification.
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