Why no coat racks in Catholic churches?

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Your parishes are probably spending yayhoo dollars on evangelization to attract people to your churches, and I’m suggesting that you just put in a coat rack and you may find that people will perceive your church as friendlier. Maybe not, but isn’t it worth a try to save souls and bring people home?

Maybe the reason why I think it’s serious is that I have friends and relatives who are NOT Catholic that I would like to see become Catholic. I am truly concerned about their souls.
you’re saying lack of a coat rack is keeping people way from the catholic church? and lack of a coat rack is an embarassment so that you will no longer invite your friends to the catholic church?

when you go the the grocery store, what do you do with your coat? i don’t think i’ve ever seen a coat rack at a grocery. maybe we should all stop grocery shopping because the hospitality is not there???
So why are you so resistant to providing a place to hang a coat? It’s such a little simple thing, like putting a mint on a pillow. But it’s so kind and welcoming and cozy and family and hospitable and friendly. Why are you determined to continue doing things the way you’ve always done them?
why are you so insistent that we change? was the coat rack the central focus of your conversion? every year we always have a new group of people in our RCIA class. are you saying we would have more if we had a coat rack?
But many of us converts think it’s weird that you leave your coats on when the temperature is comfortable in the sanctuary. We think it looks unfriendly. We also sing really loud during Mass and we actually open the Missal to the Bible readings. So maybe we’re the weird ones, not you.

You might just learn a simple little secret that possibly might help reach out to Protestants and ex-Catholics and bring them home to the Catholic Church. I know there are deeper issues, but this is a simple place to start–being hospitable and offering a place for someone to hang up their coat.
you think coats on during mass looks weird? funny, i don’t think it looks weird at all.

and what is the secret to reaching out to protestants? if all churchs have a coat rack then everybody will cease to be protestant?

of the many of the conversion stories that i have read here i don’t recall a place to hang your coat as the main deciding factor to entering the church. just the fact of getting up the courage to cross the threshold and see what’s inside was the biggest hurdle. and the mass itself was what brought them back again.

with charity i say, don’t worry about coats or coat racks. i personally think that a rack of orthodox catholic pamphlets readily available and not tucked into an obscure corner would be more friendly and more useful to attracting converts and educating catholics alike.
 
In every major Protestant church I have ever been in, coat hooks were strung down both walls to the side of the pews…Where Catholics hang Stations of the Cross.
That’s what I was thinking – we’re certainly not going to cover the Stations with coat hooks (or coats)!

My church building is over 100 years old; Gothic style. It wasn’t designed with either coatrooms or central heating in mind. I don’t think there’s enough free space to provide coat hooks/hangers for 2600 coats (or even 1000).

I do get to hang up my coat, though. I sing in the choir, and there are coat hooks in the choir loft. 😃 I never worry about anyone stealing my coat – unless you are part of the choir, and need to be up there, you’d have to be out of your mind to climb that many steps. 😃
 
Cat - I’m glad you are content, comfortable and spiritually nourished in your parish and have the coat room and other ameneties that you need. That’s very good for you.

Perhaps you could try to start something with others for the local churches in your area and bring this subject up to them. Many Catholics won’t address this issue, so people like you will need to.

I was thinking about why many Catholics don’t really see a need for the “basic” ameneties that some churches don’t have and part of the reason why you have received the kind of responses that you are getting regarding this. Based on a lot of Catholics I know (mostly cradle Catholics) at the many churches I’ve been a part of, part of it is sort of like a sacrifice issue and how Catholics were treated in the past - at least in my area. It’s just how it was and they needed to be satisfied with what they had.

In my city, there used to be Anti-Catholic laws where churches were not permitted to be built on major streets. The oldest Catholic Church in our city, built in the 1700s is behind other buildings, so you wouldn’t have been able to see it save for the fact that an old building on one side was torn down. So many were built in these little areas with entrances in the alley ways. You only had enough space for the most important. It was the law. There was a lot of fighting between Catholics and Protestants during the mid 19th century and many times, the Catholic churches would be attacked during Sunday mass or during the week. So, many churches at those huge strong doors and small vestibules built to hinder anti-Catholics from trying to disrupt mass and destroy the inside church. Our Cathedral was built during that time and one thing that is very noticable is that there are no low windows in the cathedral at all except where it was expanded in the sanctuary during the 1950s. The windows are extremely high up. They were built that way so that the anti-Catholics would throw things through them. Since then, many of the old churches of rebuilt their entrances away from the alley ways. Almost all of the churches in my city were built prior or during that era.

Anyway, with that background in many ways, Catholics, culturally, in our area at least, tend to be pleased and thankful with what they have in their parish, even if it may not be enough in some people’s eyes. We’re raised not to ask for more and still have this mindset even if that era is gone. Not that Protestants don’t have that either, but it’s very even prominent in the cultural aspect of our faith. I’m not saying that one is better than the other either. The way these churches were built does not allow for any more things to be added. And, the walls in all those churches have the stations of the cross, and confessionals so you can’t possibly place hooks and coat racks there which would be the only place racks there. The vestibules in many of those old churches in our city isn’t large enough to accomodate all jackets for the parishioners either. And there is usually no room to build on because you have the row homes connected to the churches.

That’s why so many have bathrooms in little, former closets, in the basements or none at all. Those places are the only room to have them. Until enough people keep asking for those things and the church has enough money and until you change the culture, it won’t happen. This is something raised into us and is probably only part of the reason why so many don’t see it as something critical. It’s hard for converts to comprehend this and I understand that.

But good luck with this and God bless.
 
I honestly don’t understand something here.

Several posters have compared Catholic and Protestant churches, and been rather disparaging about Protestant “socializing” vs. Catholic “Mass/worship.”

I find this rather offensive.

I was Protestant for most of my life, and although Protestants are missing the Eucharist, which is the Lord Himself, they are not at church merely to socialize. They come to church to receive the Lord through His Word, to pray, and to worship Him as best they know how through excellent music.

And Protestants don’t “socialize,” they “have fellowship with other believers.”

**I hope that people will stop criticizing Protestants for doing things that all CATHOLICS should be doing, too. **

And keep in mind that Protestant churches are growing by leaps and bounds. The megachurch in our community (which has coat racks) has several thousand people in attendance every weekend, and has a huge charitable outreach program that even our Catholic churches get involved with.

And even though Protestant churches don’t have Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, He is present nonetheless in those who believe in Him and have been baptized. So I fail to see why Catholics are getting so puffed up about our churches to the point where they say, “We don’t need coat racks, heat, bathrooms, hugs, etc.”

Maybe if you had more of these common amenities, more people would come to receive Jesus.
I do want to start this post by saying I know how serious you are about this subject but many of us Cradle Catholics just don’t get it. We definitely have a different view of what Worship and “fellowship, socialize” is all about. Every time someone comes here who hasn’t been Catholic that long appears to be critical of how we have always done things our hackles come up and, yes, we get defensive.

Cat I am truly sorry you find it offensive that as a cradle Catholic my limited experience with protestants and their services have been one of “showing off” for each other and “socializing” as much as worshiping - and that is there too! You know, when we hear about how you can “come to worship services and have a cappuccino and a croissant” it is just weird, as a matter of fact for many mainline Protestants it is weird. It is this attitude of “worship” that really bothers me, how can you focus on God when you are eating?

My Parish btw is growing by leaps and bounds, both reverts (returning Catholics) and Converts are in abundance. We have so many activities that our Parish Hall and RE building are always booked, if you want to have an event in either place you have to schedule months in advance. We have so many students requesting Religious Education that Sr. had to turn some away due to building code requirements and not enough time slots for classes - we have classes running 5 or 6 different times just for the K-8 grade students, this doesn’t include the High Schoolers who still come even after they have been confirmed, yes, our students are taught that they will never stop learning and they have a thirst for the knowledge!

RE: worshiping as best they know how, beg to differ with the “great music” part, when was the last time you attended a Lutheran Service? Eeeee, you think we Catholics have bad music, you should hear some of the music they try to sing - only a trained Opera singer could sing some of them.

I hope, Cat, this helps you understand a bit more about where I am coming from when I say what I do. I know my experience with Protestants is limited and as much by word of mouth from Protestant friends (inviting me to “fellowship” which is a very lightly veiled way of trying to proselytize me, that vocal Catholic who is surely going to hell just because she is Catholic!) They don’t do that much anymore because I tend to have way too many good answers to their questions and they just don’t want to let me loose in their church!

Cat you said above, “So I fail to see why Catholics are getting so puffed up about our churches to the point where they say, “We don’t need coat racks, heat, bathrooms, hugs, etc.”” Could it be that we just don’t see a need for the same things you do? The problem is you keep harping on it, some have said if this bothers you then fix it, we don’t have a problem with it so, we just go to Mass to Worship God and receive Jesus in the Eucharist - we then go to other events to socialize or, in your words for fellowship!

Brenda V.
 
I honestly don’t understand something here.

Several posters have compared Catholic and Protestant churches, and been rather disparaging about Protestant “socializing” vs. Catholic “Mass/worship.”

I find this rather offensive.

I was Protestant for most of my life, and although Protestants are missing the Eucharist, which is the Lord Himself, they are not at church merely to socialize. They come to church to receive the Lord through His Word, to pray, and to worship Him as best they know how through excellent music.

And Protestants don’t “socialize,” they “have fellowship with other believers.”

**I hope that people will stop criticizing Protestants for doing things that all CATHOLICS should be doing, too. **

And keep in mind that Protestant churches are growing by leaps and bounds. The megachurch in our community (which has coat racks) has several thousand people in attendance every weekend, and has a huge charitable outreach program that even our Catholic churches get involved with.

And even though Protestant churches don’t have Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, He is present nonetheless in those who believe in Him and have been baptized. So I fail to see why Catholics are getting so puffed up about our churches to the point where they say, “We don’t need coat racks, heat, bathrooms, hugs, etc.”

Maybe if you had more of these common amenities, more people would come to receive Jesus.
My sentiments exactly!
 
It’s very likely that when the shepherds came to visit the Baby Jesus in the stable, they kept their outer cloaks on. If there were pegs in the wall, it’s a good bet those pegs would’ve been meant for hanging up the yoke of oxen, the lead ropes of horses or donkeys, and the like. Though I suppose any such pegs could double for a coat rack in a pinch. So that without their outer garments getting in the way, no doubt all full of sheep dander and perhaps dusty or muddy, the shepherds could better fellowship with the Holy Family.

Being the Newborn King, Jesus could have entered the world in the finest Inn in Bethlehem, one that would have satisfied even King Herod with its luxuries … the best in fireplaces, highest quality candles made from bees wax rather than cheap tallows of animal fat, servants to take care of cloaks and ensure cleanliness as well as adornment at an aesthetically pleasing level befitting royalty.

But there was no room at the Inn, so the Word of God who spoke the whole world into being made due with the body heat of animals for warmth as well as pungent-smelling dung for a fuel source, and had for his first bed a trough that animals ate out of and had likely slobbered on. Good thing Mary as a resourceful mother used all those swaddling clothes and all the available clean straw she could salvage from among the bundles designed for animal feed and bedding … Now that I think about it, you can quite literally say that this lodging was rated with one star … the Star of Bethlehem.

Having returned from the excellent Women’s Retreat at Ann Arbor, Michigan hosted in a Catholic school by the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist, I can report that sleeping on the 3rd Grade classroom rug on a sleeping bag with a winter jacket for a blanket is a chilly and drafty experience … especially if you wind up near the door to the hallway. As for coat racks, I honestly didn’t even know or care … placing my jacket on top of my sleeping bag was just fine. In any case, I consider the whole experience an honor and a privilege.

There was plenty of warmth in the cheerfulness of the other ladies attending the retreat, in the kind-hearted hospitality of the Dominican Sisters … and especially with the Real Presence of Our Eucharistic Lord in the chapel, sharing the weekend under the same roof with us.

~~ the phoenix
 
The point is, Protestants put a lot of effort and time into promoting positive fellowship, and Catholic Churches don’t. People here can say whatever they want, it’s a fact. Christian fellowship isn’t promoted in many Catholic churches.
 
of the many of the conversion stories that i have read here i don’t recall a place to hang your coat as the main deciding factor to entering the church.
Of course not - it’s not that big a deal. But it’s one of the things that I noticed when I entered the Church as well; and while I don’t miss the coat racks that much, I do find that people wearing their outdoor jackets in the church look like they aren’t settled in to stay for a while.

If the church is so cold that people feel that they can’t take off their jackets then it must be because there aren’t enough bodies in it - and that is a serious problem.
 
Of course not - it’s not that big a deal. But it’s one of the things that I noticed when I entered the Church as well; and while I don’t miss the coat racks that much, I do find that people wearing their outdoor jackets in the church look like they aren’t settled in to stay for a while.

If the church is so cold that people feel that they can’t take off their jackets then it must be because there aren’t enough bodies in it - and that is a serious problem.
you are speculating when you say that churches are cold because there aren’t enough bodies to keep it warm… the ever rising heat costs and the huge volumes of most church interiors aren’t conducive to a warm atmosphere inside the church. and except for the occasional movement to sit or stand or kneel, bodies cool down when they are not in motion.

and because we have 3 masses per sunday, we aren’t expected to ‘stay awhile’, because we have to exit to allow the next mass to fill up. we stay for the mass and possibly head to the basement for a bit of socializing.
 
The point is, Protestants put a lot of effort and time into promoting positive fellowship, and Catholic Churches don’t. People here can say whatever they want, it’s a fact. Christian fellowship isn’t promoted in many Catholic churches.
I agree it isn’t focused on as much. But I have yet to attend a parish where people do not make me feel welcome. For Mass, you can’t expect people who don’t know you to start chatting. If someone wants to feel welcome in a Catholic parish they should meet with the priest or attend some of the social events. Otherwise, no they probably won’t feel welcomed by everyone simply because Mass is quiet and reverent and not the time to fellowship.

I’m not sure what else Catholic Churches could do, except maybe have people be “greeters” at the entrance to make sure everyone walking in is spoken to.🤷

For me, lack of fellowship never bothered me, especially not after I understood the Mass. Of course, I’m not one who likes having a bunch of strangers wanting to hug me and such as if they know me anyway. Thats my anxiety kicking in, So I definitely prefer praying quietly before Mass, instead of being forced into talking with people I don’t even know. For others, I guess thats important and maybe somehow Catholics can help visitors feel more welcome before Mass when they walk in. I guess coat racks could help that.
 
I’m not sure what else Catholic Churches could do, except maybe have people be “greeters” at the entrance to make sure everyone walking in is spoken to.🤷
My parish tried having greeters in the vestibule a few years ago. One of my friends volunteered to be a greeter. She quit because she got angry looks from quite a few people when all she said was “Good morning”. 😦 The greeter program did not work.
 
There are a lot of things that the Protestants do that make Catholics go “huh?”

But my hubby (non-Catholic) pointed out that sometimes sitting in mass is like being a small brooding child, and it’s not fun. I did ask him to expound on that sentiment, but he didn’t. But he whines if we go to something at this parents’ non-denom church, so 🤷

Would all the problems between the Catholics and the Protestants be cured with a coat rack? No. The mass I go to is SRO with converts galore, and no coat racks. And it’s cold (it’s also Erie, PA). But we still have people. We may have to start duct taping them to the rafters.
I will admit that many Churches don’t have fellowship afterward, and that probably should be changed. But coat racks and raising the heat are not doing to make changes. (BTW- have you ever seen the cost of heating an old stone church?)
 

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I believe you are very close. If you look at the Vatican’s paintings of the Last Supper, Jesus and the twelve apostles never take off their cloaks. This tradition has been handed down by the faithful for over two thousand years.
BINGO !!!
The Last Supper was also a celebration of The Passover Meal, to be eaten while already dressed in preparation for the journey.
"In this manner you shall eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand … " Exodus 12:11
So the no coat rack thing is actually very Biblical.
~~ the phoenix
Thank you for bringing up the scritural basis. I think this is important stuff here. The Lord didn’t use a cloak room for good reasons during the Last Supper. He was following Jewish Tradition. I looked up the Douay Rheims Version and it is even clearer:

Chapter 12

11 And thus you shall eat it: you shall gird your reins, and you shall have shoes on your feet, holding staves in your hands, and you shall eat in haste: for it is the Phase (that is the Passage) of the Lord.

The unleavened bread eaten in hast has its Jewish roots. Catholics have never been taught to relax and make ourselves at home with our fellow brothers and sisters in our Churches during the Mass. We are not at home during Mass. We will be at home in heaven. The Mass is the same Sacrifice on Calvary and the Eucharistic feast, all with profound Jewish roots. I would hate to lose the meaning of the Sacrifice of the Mass in an effort to make us more comfortable with each other. Anyone who wants to take their coats off are always free to do so.🙂
 
you are speculating when you say that churches are cold because there aren’t enough bodies to keep it warm…
I was half-joking about that, but …
the ever rising heat costs and the huge volumes of most church interiors aren’t conducive to a warm atmosphere inside the church. and except for the occasional movement to sit or stand or kneel, bodies cool down when they are not in motion.
Maybe it’s because I’m Canadian, but I notice that you’re from Michigan, so maybe you’ll relate - When I enter the church from a half-hour walk in sub-zero conditions it feels warm enough. It might be a bit below room-temperature but it’s warm enough for me to take off my coat for an hour.

I have been a member of 2 Cathedrals, and I imagine that they are costly to heat. I’m not suggesting they crank up the heat - just that people might think of wearing a suit-jacket or a nice sweater to Church so that they wouldn’t look like they were itching to leave.
and because we have 3 masses per sunday, we aren’t expected to ‘stay awhile’, because we have to exit to allow the next mass to fill up. we stay for the mass and possibly head to the basement for a bit of socializing.
I go to big churches - the last one had 5 Masses on Sunday - but unless the homily was especially long, there was a good half-hour between Masses - no need to rush. In any case, I meant “Stay a While” as in settle in for that hour. The only time I leave my jacket on indoors is if I am not staying.
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Cathryn:
Catholics have never been taught to relax and make ourselves at home with our fellow brothers and sisters in our Churches during the Mass. We are not at home during Mass. We will be at home in heaven. The Mass is the same Sacrifice on Calvary and the Eucharistic feast, all with profound Jewish roots. I would hate to lose the meaning of the Sacrifice of the Mass in an effort to make us more comfortable with each other. Anyone who wants to take their coats off are always free to do so.
I couldn’t agree more. I love the Mass and I go to pray, not to socialize. I have no use for horizontal worship and modern innovations. I’m simply suggesting that taking one’s coat off is a sign that one is commited to staying and wants to be there.

Also - if there really is a basis for keeping one’s clothes on, then I would love to see it practiced in the summer time.
 
I went to confession today at a parish other than my own. The church is older. I was cold in the church even with my coat on. The Mass was going to start about 1/2 hr. after I left. I did not feel any heat from the radiators which were on the walls next to the pews. I would have needed to leave my coat on had I stayed for Mass there, and I was wearing a sweater and a shirt.
 
I couldn’t agree more. I love the Mass and I go to pray, not to socialize. I have no use for horizontal worship and modern innovations. I’m simply suggesting that taking one’s coat off is a sign that one is commited to staying and wants to be there.
I understand what you are saying, but Catholics with coats on are commited to staying and want to be there too. Let’s face it, Catholics are a hearty lot. We don’t mind it being chilly in Church because we can just keep our coats on. No one ever minded until Protestants started becoming Catholics, for which we are all grateful. My Irish ancestors had our Churches confiscated and were lucky to have any place to have Mass. Heating Churches so all were comfortable wasn’t an option. Ireland sent thousands of good sisters and priests to the US and instilled this no heat mindset into millions of children in the US. We are all better for it. I doubt if many Churches in Europe are heated so that people take off their coats in winter. Maybe some of our European brothers and sisters can let us know. 🙂
 
You actually think Catholics are heartier than people of other religions!!! ??:rotfl: That’s a new one! That explains everything, of course!:rolleyes:
 
It smells like responses that are grasping at straws for an explanation of the inhospitality to be found in Catholic churches… :rolleyes:
 
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