Why no sex/sexual acts before marriage?

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Mrchatsworth said:
Urges don’t stop when you are married you know. Don’t you think it would be wrong to cheat on a spouse just because you have urges? Would God want you to act on that because “hey, God have me urges.so they must be holy right”?
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Good point. Tuff to keep walking it out. Very very tuff.
 
I don’t know why you would lie, but you keep asking if sex is okay if you were already going to marry someone anyways. I’m just asking if it’s okay to call the bread and wine Jesus if it was going to be consecrated anyways.
 
Of course it does. They are both Sacraments. They carry God’s Grace. They change the world. You can’t just say it doesn’t matter if you don’t wait til after the Sacrament to behave like the Sacrament happened. If you do you are lying.
 
Which part is the arbitrary statement? Which part is the radical belief?

As for Exodus 22:16 that isn’t a statement that they are already married, nor is it approval. That is a law meant for her protection. Like it or not, that time period wasn’t very forgiving of women who gave up their virginity. Their chances of marriage dropped precipitously. So to make sure she didn’t starve for lack of support, the law said he had to marry her.

I’m sorry for your situation, and I pray you can find love despite it.
 
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emmanuel77 said:
despite the fact I quoted verses.
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I noticed that your profile says that you’re protestant. While in your worldview and faith quoted verses may be used to support an argument, Catholics have other sources of moral authority and personal interpretation isn’t an acceptable source of belief (for us). I don’t think this will be very persuasive.
emmanuel77 said:
@TheLittleLady says the one who thought homosexuality was right.
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Please do not throw insults like these at other members. It is not charitable.
emmanuel77 said:
Christianity has never been a prudish religion, some “good shepherds” and their “sheep” have made it.
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I wouldn’t say it was ever prudish or that Catholicism is prudish. Catholicism celebrates the marital act as one of the holiest and purest forms of love that humans can engage in. There are just rules around it to ensure it stays holy and glorious.
 
Just stating the Catholic opinion. This is, after all, a Catholic forum.
 
emmanuel77 said:
@TheLittleLady says the one who thought homosexuality was right.
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What are you talking about? The Church teaches us that homosexuality is not a sin. Sexual acts with someone of the same sex (or of the opposite sex outside the bonds of a valid marriage) are sinful. They may be mortal or venial depending on the other reqs.
emmanuel77 said:
God would never have said that, had premarital sex been a sin. Rather, he gave some guidelines as to what to do incase it happens.
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Fornication has always been a sin, since the beginning, and as you are not Catholic, here is a sola scriptura article to begin:

50 Important Bible Verses About Fornication And Adultery

50 Important Bible Verses About Fornication And Adultery! What does the Bible say about fornication?What is the definition of fornication in the Bible?
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emmanuel77 said:
If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged and has relations with her, he must surely endow her to be his wife.
Exodus 22:16
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There are many of the Old Covenant laws that say to the Jewish people “If you commit this sin, you must do this other thing to atone for it”.

In the society that existed then, a woman lived under the protection of her father and then her husband and then her son when she was widowed. No man would take as a wife a woman who was not a virgin, so, God put this law in place to protect women. If some man talked her into fornication, he was not permitted to say “see ya!” and leave her with a future as a beggar, he had to man up and support/protect her for the rest of his life.
 
Your source is that of a Hegelian philosophy of the German Reformed Church.

Understand that this is a Catholic group of people, it seems you may be trying to proselyze Catholics into following your chosen brand of Protestantism.

You choose to come to our group, be a little bit open to a different philosophy, different translations of Scripture?
 
Ah yes, the vehemently anti-Catholic site says Catholics are bad. You’ve basically just listened to North Korea about America.

If proselytizing is your goal here, give up now and save yourself the time. If you’re actually interested in learning about our religion, dump the propaganda sites and ask some questions in the forum.
 
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Your bible only view is odd. And the position is indefensible. The Bible does not condemn slavery. Do you think slavery is Holy and acceptable? The Bible does not condemn multiple wives, are you a proponent of polygamy? The Bible does not condemn as sinful current age limits of sexual activity. Are you a proponent of minors fornicating with the elderly? The bible was compiled by the Church. It was given to us by the Church and it contains in it the teaching that the Church is binder and looser of sins. The Bible does not Birth the Church, the Church births the Bible. The Church is older that the Bible. You lack a fundamental understanding of marriage in it’s basic form if you think premarital life begetting fornication is acceptable and pleasing to God.
 
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emmanuel77 said:
is it still a sin if you’re going to marry the person?
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emmanuel77 said:
also why did God say in Exodus 22:16, that a man must marry the virgin if he seduces her and has relations with her.
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First, to bet for a future marriage to justified existing sexual relations is a dangerous game. The other person is free to refuse until the vows are pronounced, and in pratical reality, many people don’t marry the first person they have sex with.
Some decades ago, it was more likely for a woman to marry the first man she has sexual relations with, because the society put pression that is now vanished.

It is also risky because you could engaged physically with someone that you may later find that you have no strong connection in others areas of relationship.

God, through the Bible mandate a man to marry the virgin if he seduces her as a way to repair what is done. And injustice and unbalanced situation has been created with the seduction. The woman is now very vulnerable (of being pregnant, abandoned, etc). So a marriage is a way to bring order on this disorder. The situation would become normal after it.

Sexuality belongs to marriage, that’s why it was sometimes called “prendre de l’avance” in french expression. If you had lost control and had sex, marriage is the best way to repair what had been done without created new injustice. I agree with that.

But it was a sin.
 
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