Why Noah's story is not borrowed from pagan flood stories

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I don’t mean similarities in the exact details… I mean similarities in the basic outline:

-Early in mans history there was a cataclysmic flood.
-A man and a group of people and animals survived that flood.
-This event is a major historical event for many cultures.
-There is some religious significance to this story as all the cultures report the flood was caused by a deity.
 
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There are at least 2 ancient pagan flood stories:
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Just sharing that there are more, as you had said, “at least two”:

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http://nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html
 
Yes and the disruption was big enough that different cities appear post-flood.
 
Many of those do not predate Noah’s source but point taken.
 
ok fair enough, I meant the written source that has been transmitted to us. I agree the flood as an event predates all known civilizations.
 
There are different flood stories all stemming from about the same time from all over the world including North America and China. The reason for this is there actually was a world-wide flood (not a world-covering one). This can be verified by a simple google search for the land masses during the last Ice Age. This is Europe’s land mass as it was 10,000 years ago:
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Note the far smaller size of the Mediterranean and Black Seas. One source I read said that the Black Sea was in fact a large fresh-water lake. The VAST majority of cities, towns and settlements were located along the coastlines, and the few cities which the people were aware of certainly would have been their “whole world”. The areas in red on this map shows the areas which were submerged by the melting ice:


A meteor hitting the North Pole at this time could have easily produced a huge water surge accelerating the process, including all of the conditions such as the 40 days and nights of rain that are described in the OT. If that were the case then thousands upon thousands would have perished.

What seems to be evident to me is that the story is based on a family who had access to a large boat was able to save all of their family as well as breeding stock of all of their animals who then thanked God for their survival.
 
Interesting. And as far as I know only Noah’s story is monotheistic, involving only one God who is above nature.
 
Well, the local and global floods all happened at about the same time because there was a global glaciation period, at the end of which came global floods, or more accurately put, regional floods in a lot of places. Moreover though, this thread sounds very much like we are trying to use forensics and logic to support one flood myth over another, when we have a very plausible explanation that doesn’t require that we pick any of them. Because they are all less likely than the explanation that incorporates what we know about the history of the planet. And while we do have free will to believe what we will as you suggested, I would advance the idea that we should base what we believe on best evidence and probability. There is no need to try and employ rational logic to support something irrational.
 
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And then they evolved into people of other races in a very short space of time. Why not, right?
 
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I don’t know enough about genetics to know if that’s possible or not and skin color is not an evolution.
 
Skin colors are thought to be genetic mutations. Mutations can be said to evolve over time.
 
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It could have happened at a later time as they spread out over the world or whatever.
 

About 12,000 years ago, the valleys of western Montana lay beneath a lake nearly 2,000 feet deep. Glacial Lake Missoula formed as the Cordilleran Ice Sheet dammed the Clark Fork River just as it entered Idaho. The rising water behind the glacial dam weakened it until water burst through in a catastrophic flood that raced across Idaho, Oregon, and Washington toward the Pacific Ocean. Thundering waves and chunks of ice tore away soils and mountainsides, deposited giant ripple marks, created the scablands of eastern Washington and carved the Columbia River Gorge. Over the course of centuries, Glacial Lake Missoula filled and emptied in repeated cycles, leaving its story embedded in the land.

Flood Facts:
  • The ice dam was over 2000 feet tall.
  • Glacial Lake Missoula was as big as Lakes Erie and Ontario combined.
  • The flood waters ran with the force equal to 60 Amazon Rivers.
  • Car-sized boulders embedded in ice floated some 500 miles; they can still be seen today!
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From the Journal of American Folklore (1919) “Tahltan Tales” (paraphrased for brevity):
The Tahltan people’s (British Columbia) account of The Great Flood
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Very long ago, when the world was very young, all the people were together in one country…they talked one language. There were humans, and semi-humans. Some were of a great size, giants. The semi-humans were very wicked and cannibals. One day, the animals sensed something was going to happen and became very tame and went to the human’s houses.

A heavy rain set in. It rained for many days and nights. Rivers overflowed, oceans rose and the earth tipped on it’s axis. The whole earth was covered by water except the highest peaks. The people who took refuge on rafts were able to save themselves. Animals who reached the highest peaks were saved. Many species became extinct. Most of the wicked people and the giants were killed. The flood came to destroy all the bad people long ago.
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Sounds like the Genesis account. 🤔
 
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