Why people become traditionalists

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Utrecht:
Since the Old Catholic Churches in the U.S. shar the exact same lines of apostolic succesion, and thier origins, as the PNCC, where proper form, matter and intent exist, the orders of the Old Catholic American Churches are most certainly valid, although there are various dubious groups where this would not be the case.
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     ["Father" Andrew Wingate](http://www.trumpetersmission.com) a frequent guest on WLW's The Scizone and the Art Bell Show (presumed he was Art's desparate attempt to replace Malachi Martin) has claimed that he was from the Utrecht Rite.
But then he also claimed he “concelebrated” the Tridentine mass with JP2. There was no concelebration in the old mass.
 
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Crusader:
The SSPX does not have the valid priesthood necessary to confect the Eucharist. Unfortunately you did not attend the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but simply another non-Catholic religious service.

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Despite being incorrect on so many things, anyone have any idea why Crusader got banned? If he didn’t exist, we’d have to create him as some sort of agent provocateur. 😃
 
you might look into the Fraternal Society of Saint Peter (FSSP). They are not in schism.
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Hey! Let’s not use FSSP and schism in the same sentence-that verges on sacrilege. The FSSP has some of the best priests in the world-no exaggeration. The FSSP was in fact founded as a result of Ecclesia Dei. Check out www.fssp.com
 
PASCENDI said:
“Father” Andrew Wingate a frequent guest on WLW’s The Scizone and the Art Bell Show (presumed he was Art’s desparate attempt to replace Malachi Martin) has claimed that he was from the Utrecht Rite.
But then he also claimed he “concelebrated” the Tridentine mass with JP2. There was no concelebration in the old mass.
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Actually… newly ordained priests concelebrate the rest of the Ordination Mass with the Bishop; however, other than that, it does not exist. God bless.
 
I am a traditionalist who still goes to Novus Ordo Masses.

Why did I become a traditionalist?

I was led to traditionalism by Our Lady. One day, I was standing in the checkout line of a WalMart store, reading the headlines of the supermarket tabloids. One paper had as it’s headline “FATIMA PROPHECY.” I cocked my head to the side, and said to myself, “What is that?”

I went home and typed “Fatima prophecy” into mamma.com’s search engine on my computer. I read through the prophecies and was astounded. I then went to the links that site provided and found the prophecies of Garabandal, Akita, Lourdes, etc … Then, I ran across the “Marian Movement of Priests” and Father Gobbi’s prophecies. I couldn’t get enough!

My first lessons in Catholicism were through these prophecies.

Basically, Our Lady took me by the hand and pulled me back into the Catholic Church, and she also introduced me to traditionalism. So … I am the way I am because of the Blessed Mother (via the merits of Jesus Christ, of course).
 
I would love to research whether this theory is true: that there are more traditionalists in areas where there are more abuses in the OF (NO).
 
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I would love to research whether this theory is true: that there are more traditionalists in areas where there are more abuses in the OF (NO).
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Well, from what I’ve seen, this can sometimes be the case. I go to Whitworth University in Spokane, WA for college. Over there, the diocese as a whole is quite conservative, although the bishop and many of the priests are anti-traditional and anti-TLM. Because of this, organizations like the CMRI flourish, and a local indie priest does fairly well also. Both the FSSP and SSPX both have moderately large churches in nearby Post Falls, ID as well.

Near my hometown in the San Francisco Bay Area, there is plenty of liturgical abuse and yet very few TLM services (the local bishops also both do whatever they can to prevent it), except for two large services in Oakland and Santa Clara, and a moderately sized indie chapel in the city.

Lastly, the centers of many of the traditional orders seem to be in areas where I would guess the liturgical abuses would be few (St. Louis, Kansas City, etc.). So, I don’t know how true that theory might be.
 
For me, this is a very interesting and timely topic. Here’s my reason: I want my Catholic Church to be Catholic.

OK, who am I? Let’s get the label gun out and settle the score: age 48; 20 years a protestant minister; convert with whole family in 01.2006 primarily because of John 6 ( ha ha, don’t tell me sola scriptura doesn’t work: it lead my daughter and I, independently, to realize we were NOT taking the Word literally enough ;)) and I think the rest not relevant to this post.

So, I come into the Church and I am looking for the Church I fell in love with in books. Common convert error. We fall in love with the historic Church and we fall into a local parish. After a warm first blush, after the initial Eucharistic euphoria, after finally feeling at home with “them Catolics” and finding among them real people who really love Jesus - and all that is marvelous - after that things begin to look hazy. My adult and teen kids say things like, “Hey dad, isn’t that a protestant chorus from like 1981?” and I tell them to please take their fingers out of their ears because people are looking; after we attend a Mission where a priest pulls the same old same old charismatic pressure tactics to get us to respond to the Holy Spirit (and as former Pentecostals, hey man, we own the rights to “Been there, done that, got the T Shirt”; after watching the way the Mess, err, the Mass is handled with serving laity who seem to know about as much of what’s going on as I do; one begins to feel odd, sad, even a tad down.

Thing is, we love the folks in our parish and I have to say the local priests we’ve known are good and godly men doing the best they can with the old Nervous Ordo. And, while what I am about to say puts me at odds with my traditionalist leanings I am grateful to be able to be involved as a Lector and as an Extraordinary Eucharistic “minister” and as a lay teacher. There are real opportunities for me to serve our local parish and community that I have lost since folding up my ordination papers beside other old and semi precious but no longer that meaningful documents in the shoe box (hear the “but” coming?) but the Mess kills me.

So, having avoided forums as if they were the 11th and forgotten plague I find I am here looking for, um, something. I can’t really blog about because I am known so, yeah, here I am.
 
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