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My Protestant friend brought this up to me.
Why is Rome so important? They brought up the point that if the Church was founded in Jerusalem, why is Rome so important. I told them it was bc that’s where Paul and Peter were crucified. It wud be helpful if I could explain to her the historical significance of Rome?
 
I am skeptical that answering a critic’s demand to know “why” can possibly be satisfactory. But the historical situation of the time had Rome as the overseeing government over Jerusalem, including over Pontius Pilate. In fact, during the trial of Jesus, it is the Pharisees appeal to getting Caesar, the Roman emperor, involved to frighten Pilate. From a theological standpoint, that Rome became Christian is quite a testament of the times. It is even telling that Paul wrote his lengthiest single letter to the Romans. There is a certain supplanting of power, in that Christianity thrived where it was most persecuted mortally for some 3+ centuries. What a witness to the truth of the Gospel.
 
I just read a book on it:

amazon.com/The-Eternal-City-Catholic-Christianity/dp/0988442507

You are right about the martyrdom of Peter and Paul. It has alot to do with Jesus’s words and promise to Peter and the fact Peter went to Rome, died there and that his successor was chosen there. You could also go into history where it was believed from the earliest days that the See of Rome held primary importance (because of it being the see of Peter) You would probably need to go into the Biblical basis of Peter’s ministry and his primacy as chief of the Apostles.
 
Rome was the seat of the government that actually crucified Christ. And, as you stated, it’s where Peter and Paul died. The Roman empire was against the Christians at least as much as the Jews of the day were. For a very different reason. In those days, the “man in charge,” Ceaser, was considered a god. To deny his worship was to court death. And Christians refused to worship him because they knew that there was only one God, and it sure wasn’t Ceaser. It was through persecution that Christianity was spread further. It would have been too easy for Christians to stay close to home where everything was nice and cozy. But persecution set in, spreading the faith like wildfire.
 
My Protestant friend brought this up to me.
Why is Rome so important? They brought up the point that if the Church was founded in Jerusalem, why is Rome so important. I told them it was bc that’s where Paul and Peter were crucified. It wud be helpful if I could explain to her the historical significance of Rome?
A good question!

The question of why the city of Rome is itself significant is by the by really, that is, it has no theological significance. However, Christianity is an historical religion, with salvation taking place through historical events. Not only was the church in Rome presided over by the two greatest figures in the early Church: Peter and Paul (who wasn’t crucified, by the way - beheaded), but it was the central city of the Empire. In terms of theological importance, this lies in the fact that Peter was the bishop of Rome and passed on his authority to the next bishop of Rome and so on till today. Technically, the bishop of Rome could move elsewhere (as during the Avignon Papacy in the Middle Ages) and still be authoritative, provided there is the mark of succession.
 
My Protestant friend brought this up to me.
Why is Rome so important? They brought up the point that if the Church was founded in Jerusalem, why is Rome so important. I told them it was bc that’s where Paul and Peter were crucified. It wud be helpful if I could explain to her the historical significance of Rome?
Why Rome…Rome was the center of the known world…ever heard the expression…all roads lead to Rome…and Rome was going to be the instrument through which the gospel was to be spread…Paul realized this…recall the story of Paul…after his missionary journey…he is imprisoned…and I think he had a chance to be released…but refused and exercised his right to appeal to the Roman emperor as he was a roman citizen…so he is sent to Rome.

And Peter…he was leaving Rome…traditions says he is told by an angel to go back…and Peter then knows this is where he is to meet his death.
 
Perhaps it should be Eisleben?

I kid of course, but I think you’ve stumbled on to something here. I’ve always suspected a subtle undercurrent (if you will), of resentment against Rome, largely because it isn’t–England, Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, Scandinavia, or some such northern European situs–where the greatest resistence to Roman Catholicism seems to come from.

*Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum. *
 
The reason Rome is the see of the pope is because St. Peter was sent to Rome and led the universal Church from there. St. James was the bishop of Jerusalem, although St. Peter was the head of the Apostles. We see this in the book of Acts.
 
Pope Benedict mentioned this a few times (although I can’t remember exactly when). Jersualem represented the capital of the Jewish people, Rome represented the capital of the whole world. St. Peter was called by God to establish his See in Rome because membership in the People of God was no longer limited to Jews, but was offered to the whole world, both Jews and Gentiles.
 
My Protestant friend brought this up to me.
Why is Rome so important? They brought up the point that if the Church was founded in Jerusalem, why is Rome so important. I told them it was bc that’s where Paul and Peter were crucified. It wud be helpful if I could explain to her the historical significance of Rome?
It is fitting that the capital of the faith should be that city that gave us the cross, that the Mass should have been celebrated in the same language in which Christ’s death was pronounced. There is something deliciously appropriate about it. The cross transforms all things, even those who made others carry it.
 
Rome had an almost worldwide reach, with roads and ships and troops and government outposts all over the known world.

Travel was possible and so spreading the Gospel was possible. The Roman empire was perfect for spreading the Gospel.

-Tim-
 
It is fitting that the capital of the faith should be that city that gave us the cross, that the Mass should have been celebrated in the same language in which Christ’s death was pronounced. There is something deliciously appropriate about it. The cross transforms all things, even those who made others carry it.
Why does everything have to be about the language of the Mass?

Seriously. Why does everything have to be a justification of why the Mass should be in Latin? 🤷

I rarely get frustrated but… :banghead:

-Tim-
 
Well, it also had a LOT to do with the fact that the Romans attacked Jerusalem to put down to the Jewish rebellion from 66-70 AD under Emperors Vespatian and Titus. The Jews lost this rebellion and were forced into hiding, much like the Christians were. The Jewish temple was destroyed, and the whole area became pretty unsafe for Christians and Jews alike. The center of Christianity thus moved to Rome because (besides the obvious reason of Peter and Paul) it was the largest city, and smack-dab in the middle of the empire. It made sense, because it allowed Christians to have a central location that could reach the largest number of potential converts.
 
Pope Benedict mentioned this a few times (although I can’t remember exactly when). Jersualem represented the capital of the Jewish people, Rome represented the capital of the whole world. St. Peter was called by God to establish his See in Rome because membership in the People of God was no longer limited to Jews, but was offered to the whole world, both Jews and Gentiles.
Excellent! 👍

IMHO, the most theologically sound answer thus far. The historical context provides a great backdrop, but this puts it into perspective vis a vis the salvation narrative in general, better than the rest. St’s Peter and Paul being martyred there, for instance, is ex post facto. Very compelling, but they were already there. History informs us as to why they went to Rome in the first place (i.e.–the heart of the empire); but your reply (citing Pope Benedict XVI), puts it into great theological perspective. My compliments, sir (or mam). Thank you for sharing that perspective!

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
 
Rome had a road system, and methods of communicating, and travel was possible, and as a result the Gospel was spread.
 
Why is Rome so important instead of Jerusalem? Let’s look first as to why Jerusalem decreased in importance.

Looking at it from an historical perspective, Eusebius reports a tradition of Christians in Jerusalem migrating into Pella during the Jewish-Roman War of AD 66-70 (HE 3.5.3). As always there are those who question just how much of Eusebius’ story here is based on fact, but if it did happen, it might explain why the position of the Church in Jerusalem dwindled, leaving only the Churches in Asia Minor and Europe: without a visible entity to speak with authority, its respected position as a guide would begin to fade. Even though it did regain some strength after AD 70, it never recaptured its former glory. Part of it is actually due to the Temple: when the Temple still stood, Jewish Christians from the diaspora would have frequently visited the city and will have helped to maintain the influence of the see of Jerusalem and a sense of its role as the center of Christian movement for many Jewish and probably even many gentile Christians.

After the Bar Kokhba revolt of AD 132-135, the emperor Hadrian expelled all the Jews from Jerusalem, which would have been a major factor for the demise of the Jerusalem Church. This will have deprived Palestinian Jewish Christianity of most of its influence elsewhere. With the expulsion of the Jews, the Jerusalem Church effectively became gentile: the first bishops of Jerusalem were “of the circumcision” (not to mention that some of them were the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of Jesus’ ‘brothers’ - the desposynoi), but after AD 135, non-Jewish Christians took on the episcopal see. Obviously that doesn’t mean that there’s a total disconnect between the pre-135 ‘Jewish’ Jerusalem Church and the ‘gentile’ Church that came afterwards: there would have been still some measure of continuity, even if the personnel had changed. Nor should we assume that all the Jewish Christians in the city packed up their bags and went away: some of them could have simply declared themselves no longer Jews and dropped the practice of Jewish customs (a rather tempting option: Bar Kokhba and his supporters apparently gave Christians a hard time when they ruled the city), thereby becoming ‘gentile’, while those who did not wish to forsake Mosaic law would have gone away elsewhere, perhaps to areas like Caesarea or Bashan. All in all, these factors really weakened and decentralized the ‘mother church’ in Jerusalem that later Christians no longer paid much deference to it.
 
These are some awesome answers! Thanks for the help. I told her some of the things that I had read on here and she actually agreed and said it made a lot of sense. Guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.
I am getting ready to read ***The Eternal City ***by Taylor Marshall because I am actually interested in this now. Has anyone read this book by any chance??
 
She did ask a question about the New Jerusalem, and said that if the Church was based in Rome, shouldnt it be the New Rome?
I told her that maybe Rome is the new Jerusalem…But I definitly am not sure
 
With Jerusalem basically out of the picture, it left the Churches in areas like Rome, Antioch in Syria, and Alexandria in Egypt, which coincidentally also happened to be the main political and economic centers of the Empire. (Christianity, after all, was an urban phenomenon.) In fact, each of the three largest cities in the Empire was almost twice the size of any European city at the beginning of the 17th century, and they had a very huge population to boot. (Rome is at the head, boasting about 1,000,000 inhabitants at its peak, followed by Alexandria - 500,000 to over 1,000,000 - and then Antioch - 400,000-600,000.) Other areas, like Ephesus (population: 100,000-150,000), the “largest emporium in Asia” according to Strabo (Geography 14.1.24), Corinth (population: around 100,000), or the reestablished Carthage (population: around 500,000 - second largest city in the western half of the Empire after Rome), also had some level of importance.

Rome, the center of the Empire, of course enjoyed a great deal of prominence (only Alexandria and Antioch could rival it in the affairs of the Christian church in the first two centuries), but it is about Roman Christianity that we have the first and best records. The tradition that both Sts. Peter and Paul - two important figures in the Church, obviously - died there lent spiritual legitimacy to the shift in focus from Jerusalem to Rome. That shift also underscored the fact that Christians began to recognize that the faith’s future lay in the Roman Empire as a whole rather than in Palestine.

The Church in Antioch was at first more important than Alexandria (it was after all, the earliest community outside Palestine and the place where Christians first became known as “Christians”), but by the 2nd-3rd centuries the focus of theological brilliance and creativity began to shift towards the latter. There was a long-standing rivalry between the two sees in the area of doctrinal debate: Alexandria became known for philosophical speculation and the allegorical intepretation of Scripture, while Antioch is famed for theologial conservatism and scriptural literalism. Ironically enough, however, the orthodoxy of two of Antioch’s early scholars (Lucian of Antioch and Paul of Samosata) was questioned, and more variations on the basic Christian theme would come from Antioch than from any other ancient community. (Adoptionism and Nestorianism seem to have had their origins from the school of Antioch.)

Antioch and Alexandria were both important centers of missionary activity: from Antioch, missionaries traveled northeast to Edessa, Asia Minor, Scythia, Mesopotamia and Armenia. From Alexandria, missionaries went southwards, eventually reaching Ethiopia. AFAIK Rome at this particular time period was not so active in that area compared to the two, but then again, opportunities were limited due to on-off persecution. (Note: the widespread, really nasty persecution only began to occur during the late 3rd to the early 4th century. In earlier times, persecution were mainly sporadic, local affairs which usually did not target every single Christian. Heck, Christians probably faced more danger from mob violence than any official action.)
 
My Protestant friend brought this up to me.
Why is Rome so important? They brought up the point that if the Church was founded in Jerusalem, why is Rome so important. I told them it was bc that’s where Paul and Peter were crucified. It wud be helpful if I could explain to her the historical significance of Rome?
There was a National Geographic documentary about the vatican ( which was narrated by Martin Sheen ). When Emperor Constantine became a Christian, he ordered that St. Peter’s Basilica must be constructed where upon that same position where St. Peter was buried. And as the documentary continues, it also stated that the earliest Christians were buried there as well… That burial place was also just some meters away from the Gladiator’s Dome in Rome (at that time).
 
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