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tcay584
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This fellow’s having a grand time all over the board. Anyone here give up Troll for Lent? Feast away!
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Holly3278
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I totally agree.
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Riley259
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I’m afraid you are very misguided on this subject, my friend. I’d like to recommend a good book that will set you straight on this: Good news about sex and marriage by Christopher West. Having sex before marriage and co-habiting before marriage increases your chance at a failed marriage!
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st_lucy
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As someone who grow up in the eighties and was never told that pre-martial sex was a grave sin, let me tell how pre-martial sex was for me. I had a few partners before I married. I degraded myself for the use of boys (I wont call them men, because a man is some who would never dream of using a girl.). I never felt happy, although to some I might of looked the part. I was raped by a boyfriend, who thought that since sex is something that anyone could/should have he just took it. I lived with my husband for nine months before we married. He also was from the back ground of anything goes as long as it feels good. We never knew how unhappy we were until we realized that pre-martial sex was not about love, which is giving of one self, it was just the opposite it was about taking.
When you take something from another person, especially someone you “love” you will eventually fell the burden of it. This has nothing to do with religious guilt, but with the guilt that you have just hurt someone you love. Our culture today will try to hide this guilt from us, by saying this is normal,or that we are human and should have sex often, because it is natural. If this is true how come there are so many broken people walking around today?
Sex is a gift, that we give to someone we love. Notice that I used give and not take. Just as Jesus, gave us his body unselfishly we need to give our gift to our spouse, unselfishly. When you are given a priceless gift you don’t hand it out to the first person you meet, you need to wait and see if the person is worthy of such a gift before you hand it to them.
I always look back at my past and thank God that I came through it some what alright. I know that I damaged a great part of my soul and dignity but I have been married to my husband for 12 years now and we hope to teach our children how wrong pre-marital sex really is so they don’t go through what we did.
I pray that you would use some of your common sense and realize how wrong your friends father is about using another person. You might feel okay about it now, but deep down you can’t deny that nagging feeling about it being wrong. Like I said before, a real man would never take something that is not his to have.
I will pray for you on your jorney. And I will also pray for your friends father along with all who hold up this belief that it is alright to treat another human as less than human and only a pleasure device.
When you take something from another person, especially someone you “love” you will eventually fell the burden of it. This has nothing to do with religious guilt, but with the guilt that you have just hurt someone you love. Our culture today will try to hide this guilt from us, by saying this is normal,or that we are human and should have sex often, because it is natural. If this is true how come there are so many broken people walking around today?
Sex is a gift, that we give to someone we love. Notice that I used give and not take. Just as Jesus, gave us his body unselfishly we need to give our gift to our spouse, unselfishly. When you are given a priceless gift you don’t hand it out to the first person you meet, you need to wait and see if the person is worthy of such a gift before you hand it to them.
I always look back at my past and thank God that I came through it some what alright. I know that I damaged a great part of my soul and dignity but I have been married to my husband for 12 years now and we hope to teach our children how wrong pre-marital sex really is so they don’t go through what we did.
I pray that you would use some of your common sense and realize how wrong your friends father is about using another person. You might feel okay about it now, but deep down you can’t deny that nagging feeling about it being wrong. Like I said before, a real man would never take something that is not his to have.
I will pray for you on your jorney. And I will also pray for your friends father along with all who hold up this belief that it is alright to treat another human as less than human and only a pleasure device.
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Malcolm_McLean
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Statistics show that amongst practising Catholics who neither cohabited before marraige nor defied the magisterium of the Church over contraceptives, the divorce rate was effectively zero. (You always a few cases that are anomalous or hard to classify, lke token weddings for immigration purposes and the like). Amongst Catholics who used contraceptives but didn’t cohabit it was quite low by American standards, but still significant at around 5%.
I wish I could references for these figures. They were quoted to me by an American investment banker called Edward in a talk he gave to the Challoner group in London. If Edward is reading this, please reply.
This doesn’t mean that contraception or cohabitation causes divorce, because very observant Catholics also have other things in common which might dispose them to remain married. However it’s suggestive.
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Black_Jaque
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Sooo. This father of the friend of yours. Has he married only once? And for how long? And how happily married is he?
If expert advice comes from experts. If you want advice on love (which sex is an expression of) get that advice from someone who knows how to love.
First find some couples who have been married only once, and for a long time. Then find out which ones are happily married. Then ask them for their “secrets”.
I suspect you like your friend’s dad’s advice simply because he’s telling you what you want to hear.
If expert advice comes from experts. If you want advice on love (which sex is an expression of) get that advice from someone who knows how to love.
First find some couples who have been married only once, and for a long time. Then find out which ones are happily married. Then ask them for their “secrets”.
I suspect you like your friend’s dad’s advice simply because he’s telling you what you want to hear.
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fix
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The advice is immature and superficial. Imgaine being married and five years into the marriage one becomes so ill they can no longer can have sex. Is the marriage no longer a marriage? Does one divorce and walk away?
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itsjustdave1988
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My advice is that you alway strive to live a virtuous life. Fornication is not a virtue, chastity is.
If it is divorce rates you are concerned about, then your argument isn’t convincing. When a guy is married as a virgin, his divorce rate is 63 percent lower than a non-virgin. For girls, it’s 76 percent lower [Edward O. Laumann, et al., *The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994), 503].
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itsjustdave1988
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Let me share some other things which are wrong with fornication…
Virtue is “conformity to a standard of right, a particular moral excellence” (Merriam-Webster). Vice is “moral depravity or corruption, a moral fault or failing” (Merriam-Webster). Virtue leads to happiness, vice leads to unhappiness. Ancient philosophers well before the advent of Christ, such as Plato and Aristotle, assert the virtue or excellence of a thing causes that thing both to be itself in good condition and to perform its function well. Therefore, a virtuous person is one whose moral excellence causes him to be in good condition and performing well. The same could be said of a virtuous society. The laws that govern personal behavior and those that govern society ought to then promote virtue and penalize or prevent vice. The ancient philosophers describe virtue as the mean or moderate amount which lies between excess and deficiency. Aristotle wrote, “a master in any art avoids what is too much and what is too little, and seeks for the mean and chooses it.” (Aristotle, Nichomachean Ethics, II, 6-7).
So, is fornication a virtue, or a vice? According to Aristotle, “The temperate man craves for the things he ought, as he ought, as when he ought; and when he ought” (ibid., III, 12). The specific form of the virtue of temperance with regard to sexual craving is the virtue of “chastity.”
In Idaho, and in some other states, fornication is a criminal offense. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which are the laws which govern the conduct of military members, fornication has also been considered a criminal offense under Article 134. Why would the government concern themselves with such conduct? Because such acts have in fact had deterimental effects upon the good order and conduct within the society. People have been known to commit other crimes such as murder and extortion as a result of such acts. A pregnant teen in Idaho was arrested for fornication when she went to the state to ask for welfare. Who pays for her fornication? Who should? Society makes laws in order to protect itself from vice and to promote virtue, because that is in the best interest, the common good of society.
Furthermore, the medical effects of illicit sexual conduct have proven deterimental to all societies. The second leading cause of death among women is cancer, and the sexually transmitted virus called HPV causes over 99 percent of all cervical cancer, which kills more women than HIV/AIDS. Transmission of HPV is not prevented by condom use [1]. The majority of sexually active women have been infected with one or more types of genital HPV [2]. It is 46% likely that a teenage girl will acquire HPV from her first sexual relationship [3]. A man with HPV can transmit it to a woman, and a woman with HPV can transmit it to their child during pregnancy, which can result in birth defects. Birth-control pills interfere with a woman’s immune system, making her more likely to contract certain STDs [4]. The birth control pill increases a woman’s chance of having breast cancer, cervical cancer, and liver cancer [5]. The world thinks it can have sex without consequences, but that is not reality.
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Virtue is “conformity to a standard of right, a particular moral excellence” (Merriam-Webster). Vice is “moral depravity or corruption, a moral fault or failing” (Merriam-Webster). Virtue leads to happiness, vice leads to unhappiness. Ancient philosophers well before the advent of Christ, such as Plato and Aristotle, assert the virtue or excellence of a thing causes that thing both to be itself in good condition and to perform its function well. Therefore, a virtuous person is one whose moral excellence causes him to be in good condition and performing well. The same could be said of a virtuous society. The laws that govern personal behavior and those that govern society ought to then promote virtue and penalize or prevent vice. The ancient philosophers describe virtue as the mean or moderate amount which lies between excess and deficiency. Aristotle wrote, “a master in any art avoids what is too much and what is too little, and seeks for the mean and chooses it.” (Aristotle, Nichomachean Ethics, II, 6-7).
So, is fornication a virtue, or a vice? According to Aristotle, “The temperate man craves for the things he ought, as he ought, as when he ought; and when he ought” (ibid., III, 12). The specific form of the virtue of temperance with regard to sexual craving is the virtue of “chastity.”
In Idaho, and in some other states, fornication is a criminal offense. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which are the laws which govern the conduct of military members, fornication has also been considered a criminal offense under Article 134. Why would the government concern themselves with such conduct? Because such acts have in fact had deterimental effects upon the good order and conduct within the society. People have been known to commit other crimes such as murder and extortion as a result of such acts. A pregnant teen in Idaho was arrested for fornication when she went to the state to ask for welfare. Who pays for her fornication? Who should? Society makes laws in order to protect itself from vice and to promote virtue, because that is in the best interest, the common good of society.
Furthermore, the medical effects of illicit sexual conduct have proven deterimental to all societies. The second leading cause of death among women is cancer, and the sexually transmitted virus called HPV causes over 99 percent of all cervical cancer, which kills more women than HIV/AIDS. Transmission of HPV is not prevented by condom use [1]. The majority of sexually active women have been infected with one or more types of genital HPV [2]. It is 46% likely that a teenage girl will acquire HPV from her first sexual relationship [3]. A man with HPV can transmit it to a woman, and a woman with HPV can transmit it to their child during pregnancy, which can result in birth defects. Birth-control pills interfere with a woman’s immune system, making her more likely to contract certain STDs [4]. The birth control pill increases a woman’s chance of having breast cancer, cervical cancer, and liver cancer [5]. The world thinks it can have sex without consequences, but that is not reality.
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itsjustdave1988
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Sex always has consequences. It is a fact of human society that a child being born out of wedlock increases by a very high percentage the probability that that child will end up in prison, on welfare, illiterate, and on drugs [6]. The younger a girl is when she becomes sexually active, the more likely she is to experience multiple sexual partners, sexually transmitted diseases, out of wedlock pregnancies, depression, abortion, and poverty. [7] The practice of fornication, adultery, and illicit sexual misconduct of all kinds is not a virtue, but a vice.
[1] Concerned Women for America, " CDC Reports: Condoms Do Not Prevent HPV," 7/7/2004, cwfa.org/articles/5922/CWA/misc/index.htm
[2] Centers for Disease Control, Division of STD Prevention, “Prevention of Genital HPV Infection and Sequelae: Report of an External Consultants’ Meeting,” cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Reports_Publications/HPVSupplement%20.pdf , 7.
[3] Collins, et al., “High incidence of cervical human papillomavirus infection in women during their first sexual relationship,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11845815&dopt=Abstract BJOG : an international journal of obstetrics and gynaecology 109:1 (January, 2002): 96-98.
[4] Baeten, et al., “Hormonal contraception and risk of sexually transmitted disease acquisition: results from a prospective study,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11518896&dopt=Abstract American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 185:2 (August, 2001): 380-385; Ley, et al., “Determinants of Genital Human Papillomavirus Infection in Young Women,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1649312&dopt=Abstract Journal of the National Cancer Institute 83:14 (July, 1991): 997-1003; Prakash, et al., “Oral contraceptive use induces upregulation of the CCR5 chemokine receptor on CD4(+) T cells in the cervical epithelium of healthy women,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11839399&dopt=Abstract Journal of Reproductive Immunology 54 (March, 2002): 117-131; Wang, et al., “Risk of HIV infection in oral contraceptive pill users: a meta-analysis,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=10235514 Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes 21:1 (May, 1999): 51-58; Lavreys, et al., “Hormonal contraception and risk of HIV-1 acquisition: results from a 10-year prospective study,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15090778&dopt=Abstract AIDS 18:4 (March, 2004): 695-697.
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Sex always has consequences. It is a fact of human society that a child being born out of wedlock increases by a very high percentage the probability that that child will end up in prison, on welfare, illiterate, and on drugs [6]. The younger a girl is when she becomes sexually active, the more likely she is to experience multiple sexual partners, sexually transmitted diseases, out of wedlock pregnancies, depression, abortion, and poverty. [7] The practice of fornication, adultery, and illicit sexual misconduct of all kinds is not a virtue, but a vice.
[1] Concerned Women for America, " CDC Reports: Condoms Do Not Prevent HPV," 7/7/2004, cwfa.org/articles/5922/CWA/misc/index.htm
[2] Centers for Disease Control, Division of STD Prevention, “Prevention of Genital HPV Infection and Sequelae: Report of an External Consultants’ Meeting,” cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Reports_Publications/HPVSupplement%20.pdf , 7.
[3] Collins, et al., “High incidence of cervical human papillomavirus infection in women during their first sexual relationship,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11845815&dopt=Abstract BJOG : an international journal of obstetrics and gynaecology 109:1 (January, 2002): 96-98.
[4] Baeten, et al., “Hormonal contraception and risk of sexually transmitted disease acquisition: results from a prospective study,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11518896&dopt=Abstract American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 185:2 (August, 2001): 380-385; Ley, et al., “Determinants of Genital Human Papillomavirus Infection in Young Women,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1649312&dopt=Abstract Journal of the National Cancer Institute 83:14 (July, 1991): 997-1003; Prakash, et al., “Oral contraceptive use induces upregulation of the CCR5 chemokine receptor on CD4(+) T cells in the cervical epithelium of healthy women,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11839399&dopt=Abstract Journal of Reproductive Immunology 54 (March, 2002): 117-131; Wang, et al., “Risk of HIV infection in oral contraceptive pill users: a meta-analysis,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=10235514 Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes 21:1 (May, 1999): 51-58; Lavreys, et al., “Hormonal contraception and risk of HIV-1 acquisition: results from a 10-year prospective study,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15090778&dopt=Abstract AIDS 18:4 (March, 2004): 695-697.
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[5] Chris Kahlenborn, MD, et al., “Oral Contraceptive Use as a Risk Factor for Premenopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-analysis,” mayoclinicproceedings.com/pdf/8110/8110a1.pdf Mayo Clinic Proceedings 81:10 (October, 2006): 1290-1302; Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer, “Breast cancer and hormonal contraceptives: collaborative reanalysis of individual data on 53,297 women with breast cancer and 100,239 women without breast cancer from 54 epidemiological studies,” links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0039-3665%28199611%2F12%2927%3A6%3C349%3A%22CAHCC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-P Lancet 347 (June, 1996): 1713-1727; World Health Organization, “IARC Monographs Programme Finds Combined Estrogen-Progestogen Contraceptives and Menopausal Therapy are Carcinogenic to Humans,” iarc.fr/ENG/Press_Releases/pr167a.html International Agency for Research on Cancer, Press Release 167 (July 29, 2005); Smith, et al., “Cervical cancer and use of hormonal contraceptives: A systematic review,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12686037 Lancet 361 (2003):1159–1167; La Vecchia, “Oral contraceptives and cancer,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16783292&dopt=Abstract Minerva Ginecologica 58:3 (June, 2006): 209-214.
[6] William F. Buckley, Jr., National Review, “Zounds! Enforcing the law in Idaho! - fornication,” August 12, 1996). findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n15_v48/ai_18583047
[7] Heritage Foundation, “The Harmful Effects of Early Sexual Activity and Multiple Sexual Partners Among Women: A Book of Charts.” heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/abstinence_charts.cfm
[5] Chris Kahlenborn, MD, et al., “Oral Contraceptive Use as a Risk Factor for Premenopausal Breast Cancer: A Meta-analysis,” mayoclinicproceedings.com/pdf/8110/8110a1.pdf Mayo Clinic Proceedings 81:10 (October, 2006): 1290-1302; Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer, “Breast cancer and hormonal contraceptives: collaborative reanalysis of individual data on 53,297 women with breast cancer and 100,239 women without breast cancer from 54 epidemiological studies,” links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0039-3665%28199611%2F12%2927%3A6%3C349%3A%22CAHCC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-P Lancet 347 (June, 1996): 1713-1727; World Health Organization, “IARC Monographs Programme Finds Combined Estrogen-Progestogen Contraceptives and Menopausal Therapy are Carcinogenic to Humans,” iarc.fr/ENG/Press_Releases/pr167a.html International Agency for Research on Cancer, Press Release 167 (July 29, 2005); Smith, et al., “Cervical cancer and use of hormonal contraceptives: A systematic review,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12686037 Lancet 361 (2003):1159–1167; La Vecchia, “Oral contraceptives and cancer,” ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16783292&dopt=Abstract Minerva Ginecologica 58:3 (June, 2006): 209-214.
[6] William F. Buckley, Jr., National Review, “Zounds! Enforcing the law in Idaho! - fornication,” August 12, 1996). findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n15_v48/ai_18583047
[7] Heritage Foundation, “The Harmful Effects of Early Sexual Activity and Multiple Sexual Partners Among Women: A Book of Charts.” heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/abstinence_charts.cfm
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Reefer…Reefer…Are you there? My brother, you have the wrong understanding of what sex is…more so sex the way God planned. If you or anyone understood what your sexuality was designed for, the way God planned, you wouldn’t even think of sex without your spouse(i.e. before marriage). JP2’s theology of the body reveals this truth and Christopher West has a great gift to explain so we can understand.
I recommend everyone, no matter what stage in life you are, to visit www.christopherwest.com and read his articles and you can listen to some free mp3s. And read “If You Really Loved Me” by Jason Evert, “Theology of the Body for Beginners” by Christopher West and “Good News about Sex and Marriage” by Christopher West. They will change your life. The truth really does set you free.
In Christ
I recommend everyone, no matter what stage in life you are, to visit www.christopherwest.com and read his articles and you can listen to some free mp3s. And read “If You Really Loved Me” by Jason Evert, “Theology of the Body for Beginners” by Christopher West and “Good News about Sex and Marriage” by Christopher West. They will change your life. The truth really does set you free.
In Christ
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BLB_Oregon
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To the OP:
Divorce doesn’t come from being disappointed in marriage. Divorce comes when you think you are entitled not to be disappointed in marriage, when you think that fulfillment of the expectations you have placed on life is the whole point of the enterprise. Yes! People do think this! Yet they claim that they marry for “love.” One wonders what they think love is.
Try as you might, you don’t know what it is like to be married to somebody until you’re married to them. Even knowing what they were like on your wedding night isn’t going to tell you what they will be like after a lifetime.
People have the wrong ideas about sex and marriage, period. They think they get married so they will have somebody to ______ (fill in the blank). That is to say, people too often marry with the thought about what is in it for them. They think life, including marriage, owes them something. If they don’t find that, they think it is their excuse to find the door, in order to take life by the throat somehow and to get it to cough up the goods.
Do you want a great marriage? Find someone for whom you are willing to spend yourself, find someone who is willing to spend themselves with you for the good of others and the Glory of God. Find someone for whom you will leave behind your agenda, in order to pursue their well-being, the well-being of your children, and the well-being of those you meet as a couple. Find someone who inspires you to be a better person than you are without him or her.
More importantly, desire to make yourself that kind of person, the kind who is more intent on giving than on receiving, the kind who regards the answers to his or her needs gratefully, as the gifts that they are.
The sex? With hearts like that, the sex will follow, and will not be abandoned when a “better offer” comes along…no fears there. People with hearts like that know what sex is really all about.
Divorce doesn’t come from being disappointed in marriage. Divorce comes when you think you are entitled not to be disappointed in marriage, when you think that fulfillment of the expectations you have placed on life is the whole point of the enterprise. Yes! People do think this! Yet they claim that they marry for “love.” One wonders what they think love is.
Try as you might, you don’t know what it is like to be married to somebody until you’re married to them. Even knowing what they were like on your wedding night isn’t going to tell you what they will be like after a lifetime.
People have the wrong ideas about sex and marriage, period. They think they get married so they will have somebody to ______ (fill in the blank). That is to say, people too often marry with the thought about what is in it for them. They think life, including marriage, owes them something. If they don’t find that, they think it is their excuse to find the door, in order to take life by the throat somehow and to get it to cough up the goods.
Do you want a great marriage? Find someone for whom you are willing to spend yourself, find someone who is willing to spend themselves with you for the good of others and the Glory of God. Find someone for whom you will leave behind your agenda, in order to pursue their well-being, the well-being of your children, and the well-being of those you meet as a couple. Find someone who inspires you to be a better person than you are without him or her.
More importantly, desire to make yourself that kind of person, the kind who is more intent on giving than on receiving, the kind who regards the answers to his or her needs gratefully, as the gifts that they are.
The sex? With hearts like that, the sex will follow, and will not be abandoned when a “better offer” comes along…no fears there. People with hearts like that know what sex is really all about.
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ElizabethAnne
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Reefer,
I am so glad I never gave into society’s lie that one must try out sex with any potential spouse. Only by the grace of God!
Waiting until marriage was one of the best decisions I ever made in my entire life. I never had to deal with some guy sleeping with me and then not calling. I never had a pregnancy “scare” like so many of my girlfriends. I never had to worry about getting an STD. I never had to give away a piece of myself to any man.
Instead, I gave my entire self to my husband on our wedding night. The intimacy we share is even more special because we have never shared that part of ourselves with anyone else. This intimacy binds us together and makes our relationship stronger.
I am also thankful that we practiced chastity before marriage because it is something we need within marriage too. We need to be faithful to each other and accomodate each others’ wants and needs. What a blessing it is that we have a balanced view of sex! It is nowhere near 50% of our relationship, and we both know that it shouldn’t be.
God bless you.
I am so glad I never gave into society’s lie that one must try out sex with any potential spouse. Only by the grace of God!
Waiting until marriage was one of the best decisions I ever made in my entire life. I never had to deal with some guy sleeping with me and then not calling. I never had a pregnancy “scare” like so many of my girlfriends. I never had to worry about getting an STD. I never had to give away a piece of myself to any man.
Instead, I gave my entire self to my husband on our wedding night. The intimacy we share is even more special because we have never shared that part of ourselves with anyone else. This intimacy binds us together and makes our relationship stronger.
I am also thankful that we practiced chastity before marriage because it is something we need within marriage too. We need to be faithful to each other and accomodate each others’ wants and needs. What a blessing it is that we have a balanced view of sex! It is nowhere near 50% of our relationship, and we both know that it shouldn’t be.
God bless you.
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mesquite_magic
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Ummm, for some of us divorce was a matter of life and death. As much as I felt that marriage was sacred, my life was a little more sacred to me.
As to the rest of what you had to say, very insiteful. I agreed.
Kim
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Riley259
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Thanks for great links.
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lizaanne
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I think we’ve lost the OP!! 
~Liza
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mesquite_magic
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Guess it’s gets boring if no-one wants to fightI think we’ve lost the OP!!
~Liza
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st_lucy
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Well, he is still around. In fact he is online right now. He doesn’t want to respond but I think all of the feed back might actually sink in for him. So keep it up.I think we’ve lost the OP!!
~Liza
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