Why should priests be celibate?

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I have to say, having a wife does not “lower” any standard. It changes it, but can we stop trashing the value of wives and women generally? Our church does recognize that God created mam and then created women as man needed a partner. God has been clear that marriage is a desirable and natural state for a man. It is not a lower standard for a person to be married vs. celibate, just a different standard.

How about if the standard were simply avoiding sexual sin and scandal? Why pretend we have such a standard when many gay priests still live with other gay priests in church provided housing? Why is that ok but a proper Catholic marriage with a woman is not?
 
I have to say, having a wife does not “lower” any standard.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. Going from a situation where only unmarried men can apply to one where unmarried and married may apply is in fact, lowering (or relaxing) a standard.
 
We also have a priesthood comprised of nearly 50% men 70 years of age or older, and not nearly enough entering vocations.
We seem to hear that argument used quite a lot, but does it stack up with what appears to be so many Catholic churches that are far from full on Sundays and perhaps closed for much of the week? Is the problem that we do not have enough priests or that we do not have enough practising laity. Maybe we are not as short on priests as we might think, if we compare our ratio of priests to laity. And how does that ratio in the West compare to the same ratio in the third world (where the faith seems much stronger and growing)? I would suspect that we are perhaps better off in that regard than we might assume.
 
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I disagree. Changing a rule is not necessarily throwing in the towel. It may well be raising the standard by making the priesthood and church healthier.
 
How might it make the priesthood healthier?
 
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The Church of England allows their clergy to marry, it doesn’t seem to have stopped sex abuse in the Church of England. Why then would it be different in the Catholic Church?
 
It will continue throughout society but needn’t be a protected institutional norm ever again. You don’t seems to understand how the abuse network functioned.
 
Some people are assuming there is this pool of qualified candidates who would have become priests but are not considering it because of celibacy.

Where are they? What are they doing now, instead of priesthood?

If there is this sizeable hypothetical pool of qualified men now, i
there should have been a comparable pool in 1960. But seminaries were full in 1960, with celibacy.

So this hypothetical pool, if it exists, did not affect seminary enrollment.

When my children were in Catholic school, the emphasis was on communal aspect of Eucharist, Mass was the community gathering. No mention of the priest’s unique role at the Consecration, or the Real Presence.

The priest was sort of official witness, like a Notary. This, and the vast de emphasis on Confession, de emphasized the priesthood.
 
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And a great many are not. Ask an attorney who works on abuse cases, as I did.

I realize this isn’t going to change anybody’s mind because every person has their own little pet idea of what’s best to fix the problems we’ve had with clergy. It’s all moot anyway, as we will not be the ones making the decision.
 
The seminaries are turning candidates away.

In Nigeria and other African and probably some Asian nations. The west? Too fat, lazy, materialistic and disinterested.

Let the Priests come to the west as missionaries! We badly need them.
 
If they keep coming to the West as missionaries, their home countries will run the risk of a priest shortage. I just read an article a few weeks ago about that.

It’s great for us to get some missionaries so we can have a global perspective. But we also need homegrown priests.
 
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Well, quite a few have left for marriage.
Speaking as one who lived through that era when every other young priest was leaving to get married, many of them became priests with the expectation that Vatican II would allow priests to marry soon. When that didn’t happen they chose to leave because they didn’t get what they expected.

Unfortunately, a significant number of priests ordained from about the 1960s through the 1990s simply did not take the commitment to the priesthood very seriously.
 
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As one who is celibate, some thoughts:

Tbh I think some in the Church make far to much of celibacy, elevating it almost to the level of a dogma or pat of unchangeable sacred Tradition (note the capital “T”) and drawing on strained interpretations of scripture to make this point (e.g. “eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom”). Granted St Paul wasn’t exactly a fan of marriage (he probably would have been hard to live with anyway) but that also doesn’t take us very far. It also ignores the fact that celibacy wasn’t part of Church law until the 4th century as well as the pastoral provision allowing former Anglican clergy to remain married (they were previously expected to abandon their wives), not to mention the absence of a celibacy requirement in the Eastern Rites - nobody would seriously suggest that they are somehow lesser in their priesthood.

That said, I would certainly agree that celibacy is a gift and a calling - those called to the priesthood in the Latin Rite (excluding the Anglican Ordinariate) are also called to celibacy. The reasons for this are essentially practical. Lots of jobs and careers are demanding on a person’s time and require careful balance with family life, much more so than priesthood. Similarly, most priests don’t actually receive that many night calls (unless they’re on call for a major hospital) compared to say doctors or police officers. Obviously celibacy does make living this life easier but that aside, the simple reality is that we’ve had an almost-exclusively celibate diocesan presbyterate for something like 1600 years; our whole approach to priesthood, parish life and diocesan management is based around a celibate clergy and this is simply not something that could be easily changed nor are there any sufficiently compelling reasons why it should be. Attracting married men is hardly likely to be any easier (if for no other reason than their wives would have to agree), sexual abuse is a red herring (more than a few pedophiles are married men) as is the notion of happy, healthier priests (the problems aren’t that simple).

I could see a role for viri probati - older, married men - but this too isn’t without it’s complications and realistically, we’re talking only a very small pool of potential candidates. Celibacy, like most things in life, is both a blessing and a curse; it enables me to devote more time to my ministry than might otherwise be the case but it also runs the risk of developing a bachelor-like lifestyle. Ultimately, it’s perhaps best seen as a sacrifice, one which is important for effective diocesan priesthood even if not absolutely essential. It’s also a sacrifice which those called to diocesan priesthood are equally called to and that’s the ultimate danger with loose and over-eager talk around celibacy - that, as in the 1960’s - candidates for the priesthood will develop unrealistic expectations that the rule will change only to end up disappointed and frustrated when it doesn’t.
 
I have worked on countless abuse cases myself both working as a family law paralegal and an adoption advocate. I worked in social services as well, working with families in all manner of social struggle.

I found that far more often that not, those supporting children who had been abused, and advocating for them, were women.

I also have a young adult son. It doesn’t take a genius to see how behaviour changes (for the better) when a few girls come by to joining a group of young men. Certainly this is not always the case in every situation, but the language is cleaned up, conversation becomes more appropriate…
 
I gotta tell you I dasagree about your thoughts on celibacy but I also have to say I am personally sooooo sorry about hearing this . . . .
I was abused by a fifth who was never implicated…he died before the scandal broke.
There is many more factors than celibacy at work here that need to be considered. (I’m not even sure celibacy is a factor at all.) . . .

There’s going to have to be a cleaning out of
the “rats-nest” . . . is what one well-known faithful priest told me personally in a conversation one day over a meal together.

Hopefully soon.
 
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No…shouldn’t be over eager. I just think the discussion should be on the table, and it needs to be honest. . .
 
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It will continue throughout society but needn’t be a protected institutional norm ever again. You don’t seems to understand how the abuse network functioned.
What has that got to do with whether or not married priests are allowed? In denominations where their married clergy are the norm the problem still exists.
 
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