Why should same-sex marriage be illegal?

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I have found myself questioning why exactly same-sex marriage should be completely illegalized. I mean common sense is telling me that it’s always been one man/one woman, and redefining marriage doesn’t change that… but still. We don’t advocate illegalizing not going to church on Sunday, using the Lord’s name in vain, pre-marital sex, and even things such as pornography and adultery. So, why is the same-sex marriage issue stressed so much? Maybe I just need to get my position secured on this one.

Don’t misinterpret this question. I don’t like the idea of same-sex marriage, and I’m not asking why it’s wrong according to Catholicism, I’m asking why exactly it should be illegal.
 
Just a quick thought. There are laws that prohibit a certain action, and laws that endorse a specific action. There is taking liberties away vs establishing something as a positive, encouraged institution. It may not be practical to legally prohibit every immoral action, but we certainly shouldn’t endorse or institutionalize gravely immoral actions.
 
I can’t get over the idea that the government would say it’s okay to deny the natural right that each person has the right to be raised by their biological father and biological mother. If for some reason this isn’t able to happen, I think that is a tragedy. We have very little research to support the idea that children in same-sex parent households do as well as if they were in opposite sex households because, just like with all human research, the variables are enormous.

The only true way to know how kids actually do would be to separate twins at birth and try to control all other variables other than the sexes of the parents. What we have done though if make a decision as a country that children don’t have the right to their mother and father with a very small amount of poor research to back it up. We have decided that the desires of an individual, not in line with the natural biology of a human person, trumps the right to ones parents in line with the natural order.

I was blessed with a great mother and a great father and raised in a fantastic home. It angers me to think that the government says my father could have been replaced by a woman or my mother have been replaced by a man. It doesn’t upset me to think that if my father had not been present that another man would have been better suited to fill the hole while a woman would have not been able too.

In my limited experiences, I have noticed that my friends who have had both a great mother and great father tend to be against gay marriage but those who have lacked even one tend to be pro-gay marriage. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

An argument must also be made to demonstrate why this even matters. To put it simply, the government only has an interest in marriage as a way to support and nurture its future through the youth of the country. The government has no business in marriage for any other reason that I can see.
 
Same-sex marriage is actually legal in my state. It seems the Church’s beliefs have little to do with social issues, where I live. There are old laws on the books in some states that prohibit some of things you mention; although, current judges often disregard them. Example: Adultery is illegal in 23 states.
 
AFerri48 said:
Don’t misinterpret this question. I don’t like the idea of same-sex marriage, and I’m not asking why it’s wrong according to Catholicism, I’m asking why exactly it should be illegal.
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because it discriminates against all other unions not based on sex such as siblings and parent/child. This denies these groups access to the same marital privileges based solely on the fact that they are closely related.
 
AFerri48 said:
I’m asking why exactly it should be illegal.
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Considering the natural complementarity of man and woman and the arguments herein about stable, nuclear families, the superior question is why should it be “legal”? Especially when you think of incestual or pedophile relationships, polygamy, and other things even more distorted from the obvious man-woman arrangement.
 
MarcoPolo said:
Considering the natural complementarity of man and woman and the arguments herein about stable, nuclear families, the superior question is why should it be “legal”? Especially when you think of incestual or pedophile relationships, polygamy, and other things even more distorted from the obvious man-woman arrangement.
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the legality was for the protection of children. children born outside of a legal marriage have far more difficulties.
 
AFerri48 said:
I have found myself questioning why exactly same-sex marriage should be completely illegalized. I mean common sense is telling me that it’s always been one man/one woman, and redefining marriage doesn’t change that… but still. We don’t advocate illegalizing not going to church on Sunday, using the Lord’s name in vain, pre-marital sex, and even things such as pornography and adultery. So, why is the same-sex marriage issue stressed so much? Maybe I just need to get my position secured on this one.

Don’t misinterpret this question. I don’t like the idea of same-sex marriage, and I’m not asking why it’s wrong according to Catholicism, I’m asking why exactly it should be illegal.
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Ask yourself this question?

Why does the government involve itself in marriage at all?

Most people have no idea the answer to this question.

The answer is;

The state has an interested in population growth for the survival and prosperity of the state. With this population growth, they have an interest in the members of society being productive, safe, and functional. They have long determined (like over thousands of years) that the family is the best way to accomplish these things. The family procreated to serve the states growth and succession needs and when kids have both their mom and dad in the home they function at their highest potential.

Over time the state had incentivized marriage and given things like tax breaks to encourage it as well as things that build up family like child tax credits and other supports.

So that is why the government is in the marriage business.

So then ask yourself, “how does same sex marriage accomplish these things?”
 
Jon_S said:
Ask yourself this question?

Why does the government involve itself in marriage at all?

Most people have no idea the answer to this question.

The answer is;

The state has an interested in population growth for the survival and prosperity of the state. With this population growth, they have an interest in the members of society being productive, safe, and functional. They have long determined (like over thousands of years) that the family is the best way to accomplish these things. The family procreated to serve the states growth and succession needs and when kids have both their mom and dad in the home they function at their highest potential.

Over time the state had incentivized marriage and given things like tax breaks to encourage it as well as things that build up family like child tax credits and other supports.

So that is why the government is in the marriage business.

So then ask yourself, “how does same sex marriage accomplish these things?”
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Many SS couples adopt children and raise families and provide children with loving, caring homes. So they might as well be legally married if that is there choice just as heterosexual couples have the choice.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Many SS couples adopt children and raise families and provide children with loving, caring homes. So they might as well be legally married if that is there choice just as heterosexual couples have the choice.
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This misses the point completely.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Many SS couples adopt children and raise families and provide children with loving, caring homes. So they might as well be legally married if that is there choice just as heterosexual couples have the choice.
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SS couples are naturally sterile. Heterosexual couples are not naturally sterile. Heterosexual couples provide both a mother and a father for children. SS couples deprive a child of the natural right to experience a parent of each sex.

If two unrelated women can legally marry, why can’t two related women marry?
 
vsedriver said:
SS couples are naturally sterile. Heterosexual couples are not naturally sterile. Heterosexual couples provide both a mother and a father for children. SS couples deprive a child of the natural right to experience a parent of each sex.

If two unrelated women can legally marry, why can’t two related women marry?
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I was raised by 1 parent following the death of the other. So should I say I was deprived of my right to experience a parent of each sex? And exactly who was it who deprived me? ( In full disclosure I never felt deprived)

Because that wasn’t the SCOTUS ruling?
 
vsedriver said:
SS couples deprive a child of the natural right to experience a parent of each sex.
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Many children of SS couples who are not adopted and are the biological offspring of one of their SS parents would probably be deprived of existence if their gay parent had decided not to procreate at all. So surely existing is better for such a child than not existing at all. There are also many children who have a parent of both sexes where one or both of their parents are not good parents. So having both a mother and a father does not always insure a good experience for many children.
 
Thorolfr said:
There are also many children who have a parent of both sexes where one or both of their parents are not good parents. So having both a mother and a father does not always insure a good experience for many children.
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True:thumbsup:
 
Sy_Noe said:
Many SS couples adopt children and raise families and provide children with loving, caring homes. So they might as well be legally married if that is there choice just as heterosexual couples have the choice.
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2357Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142*They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Sounded from what you posted you might’ve been unaware of the church’s teaching regarding sodomites.
 
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