Why so many Catholics becoming Orthodox?

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This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen in my life,
Did you view the video where Father Constantin Simon gives the reasons for his conversion? I was saddened by the extreme Ukrainian nationalism against Russia and against the Russian Orthodox Church that I saw here on CAF. Can you believe that a Ukrainian Catholic Church has a mural of the Russian Orthodox president Putin burning alive in hell? What is a mural like that doing in a Catholic Church?
I was also saddened by the fact that discussions on CAF of the known collusion between the Nazis and extremist Ukrainian nationalists - (many of whom were Greek Catholics) - against Russia was censored and deleted.
No, I didn’t get to watch it. Busy day. I’ll look at it later (as long as it’s not extremely lengthy, got things to do). The things you describe are not good. But there is never a good reason to break communion with the Roman Pontiff. Never.

I said my farewells on CAF a short time ago this evening, so this will be my only response. Not sure if you’re over on @Tis_Bearself 's forum or not, but if you’re not, farewell till we meet again.
 
But there is never a good reason to break communion with the Roman Pontiff. Never.
I know that is what you believe. However, Archbishop Lefebvre and others as well thought differently.
No, I didn’t get to watch it.
Too bad. I think you have to understand Ukraine and the extreme nationalism of some of the Greek Ukrainian Catholics to understand why Father Constantin Simon converted. You realize that he had an important position in the Vatican.
 
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Shame the council fathers didn’t get that right either!
That’s a strawman. Per Filio is a valid interpretation. After all, anathemizing Filioque means anathemizing St. Athanasius.
one of us has to be Pure Church and Bride of Christ; we can’t both be if we believe contradictory things (“Is Christ divided?” - 1 Cor. 1:13) and so we believe we have it fully correct.
I agree with that sentiment. It would be unwise to pretend Schism is internal or that it’s just issue of upper management. Hell and Heaven differ mainly by upper management too. Not to say any of our Churches is Hell, but that upper management does matter.

With issue of legalism, it tends to be prevalent in West. But it isn’t true Spirit of Latin Christianity. You see, Priest in our Church can’t assign different Fasts to each person- there are far too many for Priest to handle. We are expected some minimum required by canons (and even that can be excused for a good reason), but we are also expected to discipline ourselves. We are expected to Fast as we can, to pray as we can. To reduce Latin Law to Legalism is missing the point. Concept of Economia exists inside Latin Law, not outside it like in the East.

We had much more time to develop rules and canons for universal Latin Church than Orthodoxy had for national Churches. After all Orthodoxy had rough time with Ottoman regime, Communist regime etc. Funnily enough, Orthodoxy (and East pre-schism) before those trials was much more legalistic than West. Even things such as allowing subsequent marriages after divorce by Economia was mandated by Imperial Court and opposed by Byzantine Churchmen at large. Caesaropapism made Byzantine Church legalistic, but persecution and lack of (reliable) leadership during persecution washed that legalism away.

It is sad that Latin Christianity is perceived as legalistic- especially when it is perceived as such by Latin Christians themselves. At traditional Parish I often feel that this legalism isn’t present, as true spirit of canons is understood by those people. Be it EF or OF community, more traditional things get, less legalism I perceive. Because you are right about thing that our fathers in Faith knew- thing that Sacred Tradition tells us if we listen. Legalism itself is not sufficient to understand God. While we can not get by without law, we can’t be all about law either. Orthodoxy understands this as canons play role in it too. God is not Law, but Love.
 
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I apologize, I misunderstood. Threw it out there for people that might misunderstand too.
 
I apologize, I misunderstood. Threw it out there for people that might misunderstand too.
Sure.

Then again you can’t deny the filioque wasn’t included in the creed of the councils. The Orthodox still confess that same creed.
 
Of course. Though at the same time, Filioque is somewhat connected to Ecumenical Councils too…

It seems that Athanasius Bibliothecarius (c.810-c.878), the chief archivist of the Church of Rome, about 870 translated from the Greek into Latin the Acts of the Second Council of Nicaea. His Latin translation of the Profession of Faith includes the filioque. (See Migne Patrologia Latina, Volumen 129, (Anastasius Bibliothecarius Abbas, Sancta Nicaena Secunda) , column 458) (pdf)

This suggests that fact Filioque can NOT be in Greek Creed was known to Latins of the time but they also viewed it as legitimate in their Creed.
 
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Can you explain me this Orthodox-conversion phenomenon?
i tried to explain some of the reasons, but my explanation was censored and deleted because supposedly it violated CAF community guidelines.
 
Supposedly?

Moderators don’t censor or delete posts that ‘supposedly’ violate CAF guidelines. They do such to posts that DO violate guidelines.

I think we can all draw the correct conclusion about the post.
 
Oh, “I” don’t know about the post, but ‘you’ know that it was ‘supposedly’ removed by the mods for a violation of forum rules.

“Supposedly’. Way to cast aspersions on the mods and imply that your post was, of course, absolutely ‘the right answer’ but that for nefarious reasons it was ‘removed’.

You know I’ve had my share of posts edited and/or removed. Now there were times I thought that was done in error, but I’m not a moderator, I’m not responsible for these forums, and I’m willing to accept the decisions of somebody who actually has authority in these forums to make decisions. No ‘supposedly’ about it.
 
If you are excommunicated, can you receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church?
 
But you do agree that Abp Lefebvre was excommunicated by Pope JP II ?
How do you define breaking communion if it is not being excommunicated?

As a side question does anyone know why Church Militant is so hostile to SSPX?
 
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Still a question as to why their big donors are hostile to SSPX.
To be honest, I have doubts about the authenticity of Voris. From what I read he was married while on a cruise and he never divorced his husband?
 
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