Why so many Protestant denominations

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c659smith said:
And all Christians that live the faith are Christians.

Your gonna get a fight here by the protestants as faith alone is what they preach and living the faith requires actions and deeds and they say they do not have to. Remember faith alone is their motto
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If you know anything about Protestants is that they’re not like us in unity of doctrine.

I’ve learned that not all of them believe what Luther taught.

I suggest we as Catholics take them on one by one and give them a chance to tell us “what” they believe for themselves.

I’m the Google C&P (copy & past) King.

Believe you me, I have no problem with debating them or my own when it comes to what they believe. But I’ve learned within the past few days that not all of them buy into Sola Fide.

Take it from a Templar at heart.
 
LOL!

Luther probably didn’t know what he taught!

Seriously though, no Protestant has ever ever been able to dialogue with me on Luther’s (and Calvin’s, and Zwigli’s) love and honor for Mary.

The staunch “Luther was right!” ists dissappear when I bring it up.

Luther then represents Protestanism today…

He is a Catholic who revolted against The Church,
he refused to work to change The Church from within,
but never let go of some of the most uniquely Catholic traits he held on to.

I honestly believe that a lot of Protestants secretly admire us (and this in no way belittles them or their own love for their churches). I think they like the pomp and circumstance and the Priesthood and the artwork.

I know Catholics love the way that Protestants praise and worship. I’ve heard devout and practicing Catholics always compliment them.

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One movie I think every Christian should see for one scene that lasts about 30 seconds is “The Apostle” with Robert Duvall.

He was a on fire Preacher. He came across a river where there was a Catholic Priest baptizing a Christian. (and I choke up as I write this) He put up his hand(s) and praised God and said to the Priest who was about 1/2 the lenght of a football field away in a quiet voice something to the effect “Amen. Glory. Praise God. You do it your way, I’ll do it my way and we’ll bring’em in together. Amen. Glory. Praise God! Glory!”

And that’s exactly how we should be.

In recent years, who’s given us the best example of Christianity?

The Amish…when their children’s school had been broken into and their children murdered. What was their reaction? They prayed for the man who committed the murder.
 
2ndGen said:
If you know anything about Protestants is that they’re not like us in unity of doctrine.

I’ve learned that not all of them believe what Luther taught.

I suggest we as Catholics take them on one by one and give them a chance to tell us “what” they believe for themselves.

I’m the Google C&P (copy & past) King.

Believe you me, I have no problem with debating them or my own when it comes to what they believe. But I’ve learned within the past few days that not all of them buy into Sola Fide.

Take it from a Templar at heart.
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I am from the Anglican/Methodist line… which had no crossover or convergence with Luther at all. So why would we believe what Luther taught?
 
Goghogdoj,

So your church believes in the communion of saints ?

So your church believes you may pray to Mary as an intercessor?

So your church allows the praying of the Rosary? which by the way is a meditation of the scriptures.

What protestant church is this?

We must be making a new denomination.

However for those already in heaven and offering praise and worship to the father are less justified than me or a preacher to offer prayers for someone when asked or offered according to most protestant religions.
 
O.S.Luke said:
I am from the Anglican/Methodist line… which had no crossover or convergence with Luther at all. So why would we believe what Luther taught?
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You guys are very Catholic-like, right?

Aren’t Anglicans little “c” catholics?
 
c659smith said:
Goghogdoj,

So your church believes in the communion of saints ?

So your church believes you may pray to Mary as an intercessor?

So your church allows the praying of the Rosary? which by the way is a meditation of the scriptures.

What protestant church is this?

We must be making a new denomination.

However for those already in heaven and offering praise and worship to the father are less justified than me or a preacher to offer prayers for someone when asked or offered according to most protestant religions.
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I don’t recall exactly what “communion of the saints” means. So, I can intelligently comment on that.

We don’t have a “rule” that says, “Don’t pray to Mary.” But, we are taught that we should pray directly to God, in the name of Jesus.

We don’t pray the rosary. See above.

Not sure what you mean by your final paragraph. :confused:
 
2ndGen said:
Luke 9:49-50

And John answered and said,
“Master, we saw one casting out demons in thy name;
and we forbade him, because he followeth not with us.”

But Jesus said unto him,
“Forbid him not: for he that is not against you is for you.”
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And the point is? If we all get to make up our own doctrines and do whatever makes us feel good we dont need a Church at all do we. Either Christ founded the Church to guide or the last 2,000 years have been an utter farce. A totally incomeptent god couldt get it right until the “reformers” came along? A god so inept his children flew off in thousands of different directions and chaos ensued?

I dont know what is more sad-those who have turned their backs on the Church or those who applaud them for it.
 
estesbob said:
And the point is? If we all get to make up our own doctrines and do whatever makes us feel good we dont need a Church at all do we. Either Christ founded the Church to guide or the last 2,000 years have been an utter farce. A totally incomeptent god couldt get it right until the “reformers” came along? A god so inept his children flew off in thousands of different directions and chaos ensued?

I dont know what is more sad-those who have turned their backs on the Church or those who applaud them for it.
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Is it God’s intention that all should be saved? Yes, it is. I was reading through the Psalms tonight (required reading for bible college; not to seem super spiritual 😉 ), and I could see how David’s heart was after God. Even after adultery and murder, he still had a heart for God and God’s Grace was given to him.

Then, I read in Psalm 51:16-17
“For you do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it.
You are not pleased with burnt offering;
The Sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.”

I can’t see how that lines up with your stance. If I have turned my back to The Church because I don’t pratice the Sacraments anymore, than can I ask you? Have you ONCE, stayed home from church for no good reason? Have you fulfilled 100% of Sacramental practices 100% of the time? If you failed ONCE, doesn’t that make you as guilty as me?

If we judge ourselves by the law and break ONE PART of the law, we have broken the WHOLE LAW, right?

I’m at peace with my broken spirit, my broken and contrite heart. I will not be despised by Him, and only He matters.
 
COGHOBDOJ said:
We do take part in Communion. We both know the arguments on both sides about how often and the details and I don’t want to get into that, its fruitless. I know that my confession of my heart to The Holy Spirit are sufficient. I also have my wife, accountability partners and friends that I share my struggles with.
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Can point out where Jesus commands us to eat crackers and drink grape juice?

If the Holy sprit was sufficient why are, as the title of this thread asks, there so many different Protestant denominations.
I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe God’s priority is in running churches. His priority is that the lost come to know Christ and that Believers and followers of Christ grow in Him to serve His Kingdom. Church is just a tool for us to grow individually and to work together as The Body to fulfill The Great Commision.
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He isnt running Churchs as there is only one Church. And Christ and his Church are one in the same. You can never fully know Christ unless you are in union with his Church.

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his may sound crude, but I don’t mean any harm, but The Catholic Church had me for 28 years and I was never encouraged to grow closer to God and serve Him fully. I know this church is where God wants me. This is the environment that I can flourish spiritually. If your church is right for you, that’s where God wants you.
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The Church never had you. Your posts indicate all you ever expericed was a shallow caricature of the Catholic Faith. And the best part is if the emotion runs out on your current denomination you can quicky find another or if all else fails found your own.

One thing i do wonder . You left the Chucrch and tell us how great your new denomination is. So why are you here? Are you here to convince us of what a great decision you made or are you here to coinvince yourself?
 
2ndGen said:
You guys are very Catholic-like, right?

Aren’t Anglicans little “c” catholics?
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It is very simplistic and not 100% explanatory… but we are more Western in our doctrinal theology (Nicene and Apostles’ Creeds, Anglican Articles of Religion), and more Eastern in our sacramental theology (Real Presence and mystery without need for explanation).

O+
 
estesbob said:
Can point out where Jesus commands us to eat crackers and drink grape juice?
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You know that statement isn’t helpful… nor is it accurate in the case of many Protestant traditions. And when we do remind you that we use wine and bread, your response is then that it’s not licit. Strawman.
 
estesbob said:
One thing i do wonder . You left the Chucrch and tell us how great your new denomination is. So why are you here? Are you here to convince us of what a great decision you made or are you here to coinvince yourself?
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I’m here cause I enjoy sharing with believers.

Now, let me ask you: Did you ask this question for an honest answer? Or did you ask this with a spirit of division? Do you really want to learn about my heart? Or do you want to expose me and prove me wrong?

Really, what is your true intent for this paragraph.

I’ve never paraded around here claiming my denomination is great. I’m at total peace about my present walk with Christ. I think it would be extremely immature of me to try to justify to you what my walk with Christ is like.

I think you are lumping me in with all those who disagree with you and tell you that you are wrong. I’m not your enemy…😦
 
estesbob said:
A god so inept his children flew off in thousands of different directions and chaos ensued?
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See, this is the funny thing. It has been my own experience that I’ve seen more unity among the believers (RC, Protestant, non-denominational, etc.) rather than chaos. The things the various groups disagree on (esp. among the non-RC’s) are more about seeing doctrinal matters from a particular viewpoint. It’s rather like the “one body, many parts” idea. Each part has its own perspective, yet it belongs to the whole body - and cannot be complete without the rest of the parts.

Even when we are short-sighted and miss the bigger picture (as we often do), G-d makes up the difference and extends His grace and mercy to us.
 
I agree and I have refrained from commenting on his repeated use of the word “chaos.”

I’m from South Louisiana. My whole family, shucks, most of my community is Catholic. I’ve never gotten the, “Return to The Mother Church” talking from anyone.

From my experience, people of that mindset are in the large minority in many Catholic Churches.
 
estesbob said:
If the Holy sprit was sufficient why are, as the title of this thread asks, there so many different Protestant denominations.
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I don’t know, and honestly, I really don’t care. I was born in 1972 and I had no control what happened 500 yrs ago. I’m doing the best I can with what I got.

I can try to explain that the differences are minor, that the essentials are the same, but to what end?
 
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