Why so many Protestant denominations

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estesbob said:
There are a multitude of forums where one can share their protestant beliefs with protestant beleivers. Why did you feel the need to come here to jusitfy your decision to reject the Church?
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Sometimes you just need to get out of your comfort faith and discuss with others the differences. Life is a journey and we’re always seeking to learn and to find the truth.
I am not your enemy-I am speaking the truth. if the truth hurts you should examine why.
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Your truth may not be his/her truth.
The best way to “Evangalize” is to practice what Jesus taught. Talk to others out of love, you know, Love thy Neighbor. Once we put ourselves above someone else and start talking down at them we are no better than the ones who always tried to put Jesus to the test.
 
paidion said:
First of all, I question what you are calling a denomination and in turn, how you are coming up with “30,000 different versions of the truth”. I was referring to those groups of believers commonly recognized as falling within the realm of Christianity. Many differences between the groups often come down to more of an issue of form vs. content.

Does the fact that not all RCs believe the same thing about what the Church teaches mean that the Church is wrong? (Of course not!) Likewise, the fact that various groups have developed their own theology does not cause other ones to be in error.

Jehovah’s Witnesses & Mormons are NOT even considered to be within the realm of Christianity (even 7th Day Adventism is in serious question). Their doctrines are NOT based on the same Bible, and there is NOT the same beliefs regarding the basic doctrines of Christianity.
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THERE ARE NOT 33,000 DENOMINATIONS. SEE MY POST
IN THIS THREAD #368
lucy212 said:
lies, damn lies, and statistics.

I have been watching people throw around ridiculous numbers on the number of protestant denominations for too long, Catholics use it because it has been used by respected Catholic Apologists, and because it is a discussion starter( kind of like breaking the ice with a hand grenade).:bigyikes:

The number is ridiculous number, and Protestants, for all your talk about thinking for yourselves, using your own reasoning and God given brains,-how could you let pass what you knew in your gut was just not right? . 😊

That number,** 33,000 Protestant denominations** comes from a single source…who either doesn’t understand the concept of Church, Denomination or communion; whose research/ record keeping is more anecdotal, eccentric collector / hobbyist than a scientist; . Whatever his story, he is really annoying the heck out of me.
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mickey94558 said:
Sometimes you just need to get out of your comfort faith and discuss with others the differences. Life is a journey and we’re always seeking to learn and to find the truth.

Your truth may not be his/her truth.
The best way to “Evangalize” is to practice what Jesus taught. Talk to others out of love, you know, Love thy Neighbor. Once we put ourselves above someone else and start talking down at them we are no better than the ones who always tried to put Jesus to the test.
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Which preety much sums up why there are so many protestant deniminations-everyone gets to come up with their own version of the truth.
 
Estesbob

But there is only one truth, Piate has his truth and that was not truth at all.

Because I want to make something truth ( true) does not make it so. it is called imagination, dellusion, pschopathic, etc…
 
mickey94558 said:
Sometimes you just need to get out of your comfort faith and discuss with others the differences. Life is a journey and we’re always seeking to learn and to find the truth.

Your truth may not be his/her truth.
The best way to “Evangalize” is to practice what Jesus taught. Talk to others out of love, you know, Love thy Neighbor. Once we put ourselves above someone else and start talking down at them we are no better than the ones who always tried to put Jesus to the test.
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Excellent points. However you may find if you haven’t already a lot of people on these forums may not appreciate it.
 
c659smith said:
Estesbob

But there is only one truth, Piate has his truth and that was not truth at all.

Because I want to make something truth ( true) does not make it so. it is called imagination, dellusion, pschopathic, etc…
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What is your definition of truth?
 
estesbob said:
Which pretty much sums up why there are so many protestant deniminations-everyone gets to come up with their own version of the truth.
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Problem is that a lot of the leaders of those denominations have stopped searching and have settled down to what is comfortable. We need to gently push forward not slam something they don’t want too hear down their throat.
When you learn something and it changes what you thought to be the truth you now have a new outlook. Isn’t that part of growing? But once you stop you have settled into what you believ as the “only” truth.
To me, even though I am a life long Catholic, I still believe in searching and learning more about this faith and how it tangles in with othersand how we can live together in a world were we can have a friendly dialogue and learn from each other.
 
estesbob said:
There are a multitude of forums where one can share their protestant beliefs with protestant beleivers. Why did you feel the need to come here to jusitfy your decision to reject the Church?

If its not great why would you belong to it? And if you didnt feel a need to justify it why are you here? Did you come here looking for affirimation of your decision ? Well Gen2 did that-feel better now?

I am not your enemy-I am speaking the truth. if the truth hurts you should examine why.
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I guess I just think you and I can walk our walks and be secure enough in ourselves and where God has us to talk openly about it. Your responses to my post indicate to me that you are more worried about my walk than I am. You seem to have something to prove to me because you are telling me to change and I am saying if you are growing where you are, stay there.

I’m not surprised that churches split and many denominations exist. Why wouldn’t they when churches are made up of people who are saved, but still live in the flesh in a sinful world. Where you and I disagree is the ramifications or the consequences of different church denominations.

My priority is spiritual development, growing closer to Christ and having my spirit and my mind transformed into that of Christ. I don’t believe I have to take part in Sacraments to do that. The bible teaches me to do that.

Now, sure, we disagree on the details about Sacraments. I know that’s a big deal. But, we’ll just have to allow ourselves to have that difference.

My constant argument for that, should you choose to read on 🙂 is that why would practice of the sacraments be important if I can do those things with the wrong heart? The Pharisee’s fulfilled the law PERFECTLY, but Jesus “slapped” them around constantly for not having the right heart.

I’m not rehashing the debates for or against requirement of sacraments. We will disagree, that will not change. But, I know I’m on the road to having a spiritual change in the environment I’m currently in. That’s good enough for me, I see the fruits, I’m secure in Christ, I’m working my own deal out with God, I’m not convicted or condemned, I’m AT PEACE.

I’m not hurt by your words. I respect your faith and where you’re at.

I’m not explaining why I’m here anymore to you. I’ve answered your question, you’ve ignored my answer and substituted your own answer for yourself. Conversation with you is not fruitful.

Be Blessed
 
2ndGen said:
Without the Protestant Reformation, The Counter Reformation may never have come.
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Don’t buy into that lie. It was not necessary for half of Europe to leave Christ, in order for the reforms to come. Nor was it necessary to burn down and destroy all those churches, nor to kill all of those people. 😦

Reform was on its way, already. Saints like Teresa of Avila, Ignatius of Loyola, and John of the Cross were already hard at work, long before they ever heard of Martin Luther - he was not their “inspiration.” (Indeed, he was an obstacle to St. Teresa, since his followers burned down at least two of her convents, and she was reduced to homelessness during the period of rebuilding, according to her autobiography. But if Martin Luther and his followers were actually interested in reform of the Church, rather than destruction, then why did they pick her convents to burn down?)

The more I read about the early Protestants, the angrier I get, because it seems like Protestantism was nothing more than a pretext for legalized vandalism; I really don’t think they ever had any “good intentions.”
 
jmcrae said:
Don’t buy into that lie. It was not necessary for half of Europe to leave Christ, in order for the reforms to come. Nor was it necessary to burn down and destroy all those churches, nor to kill all of those people. 😦
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Sound like to old “we had to destroy the village to save it”
 
2ndGen said:
How’s about showing a little respect for God and capitolizing the “G” in his name. And their being Protestants don’t make “God” wrong.
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No, but in order to be a Protestant, you would have to believe that Martin Luther was better than God at setting up a Church, since they are members of a church that follows the idea of Martin Luther that any man can read the Bible and set up his own church; they are not members of God’s Church that Christ Himself set up, with St. Peter in charge.
 
jmcrae said:
The more I read about the early Protestants, the angrier I get, because it seems like Protestantism was nothing more than a pretext for legalized vandalism; I really don’t think they ever had any “good intentions.”
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I hope its an unspoken assumption that early Protestants weren’t the only ones abusing power and bring harm to people.
 
COGHOBDOJ said:
I hope its an unspoken assumption that early Protestants weren’t the only ones abusing power and bring harm to people.
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They weren’t the only ones doing it, but they were the only ones doing it with the approval of their Church authorities.
 
jmcrae said:
They weren’t the only ones doing it, but they were the only ones doing it with the approval of their Church authorities.
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Are you serious? :confused:

I really don’t know what to say…

Jewish persecution?
 
COGHOBDOJ said:
Are you serious? :confused:

I really don’t know what to say…

Jewish persecution?
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There were certain Jews who were pretending to be Catholics, and committing fraud against Catholics; they went through the justice system of the time, which was not as “kind and gentle” as ours today, by a long shot. Nobody ever authorized that Jews be persecuted just for being Jews. (Did some people disobey and do things that were illegal, yes. Did they die for their crimes, too, yes. The witch-hunts, the burnings, etc., were mostly done by Protestants; not Catholics. The Salem Witch Trial was a Puritan initiative; they would also have burned any Catholics to death, as well, if there had been any there.)

Go to St. Andrews’ outside of Dundee - the Protestant graffitti is still up on the walls, there. (I was a Protestant at the time that I went there; it was certainly an eye-opening experience for me, because those were my ancestors who wrote that stuff, and yes, it is in English, you don’t need a translator.)
 
It is the protestant denoms which support Bible reading and Bible believing. Carry a Bible to your church and read the Bible and believe every word literally unless…the Bible supports the Catholic Church on any issue. Then and only then the reader must find a reason that the words don’t mean what they obviously mean. When one goes that route …well as Martin Luther said; " I didn’t want a pope but now I have a hundred."
 
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