Why so many Protestant denominations

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humoring people and arguing for the sake of arguing… circular logic will only induce anger and wasted energy and stress.

as for the topic and why there are 33,000:
johnnydigit said:
loving Jesus is great and we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, but loving Jesus includes loving all that He is, and loving all that He teaches and has left to the care of His Church. this is why they describe the Catholic Church as having the “fullness of the faith”.

it is great that protestants have a genuine love for our Lord, but it is not complete and those who need the fullness that He offers us are basically getting short changed. jumping from church to church out of the 33,000 is fine for those who find “enough” of what they need from Christ in the church that makes them comfortable and agrees with what they believe, but many will not find what they need. it is better to have one complete Church for everyone, than fractured bits with distortions of the complete truth.
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COGHOBDOJ;:
What do you think happened to the thief on the cross?
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The conversion and baptism of Dimas is described in one of the gospels that did not find its way into the Canonical New Testament.

xan

jonathon
 
estesbob said:
You don’t address these points because you can’t. You cannot explain why everybody before the “reformers” was dead wrong and why after the “reformers” we have tens of thousands of different versions of the truth . Instead of addressing these issues you put your fingers in your ears and chant over and over again “Jesus loves me yes I know cause , the Bible tells you so” all the while claiming that Scripture is so simple that you don’t need any guidance. As I said before you went from a faith where the church was declared infallible to a faith where you have declared yourself infallible.
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I don’t address these points because after 28 years of doing it how you think I should be doing it, there were no fruits. Is it the church’s fault? No, I take responsibility for that. Obviously, I needed a different environment for God to reach me.

You are so caught up in being right and defending your walk with Christ that you fail to celebrate with the host of Heaven because I now serve God and walk with and follow Christ.

May your enlightenment come quickly so you can join the celebration. See you in Heaven. We’ll all laugh about this silliness.
 
COGHOBDOJ said:
I don’t address these points because after 28 years of doing it how you think I should be doing it, there were no fruits. Is it the church’s fault? No, I take responsibility for that. Obviously, I needed a different environment for God to reach me.

You are so caught up in being right and defending your walk with Christ that you fail to celebrate with the host of Heaven because I now serve God and walk with and follow Christ.

May your enlightenment come quickly so you can join the celebration. See you in Heaven. We’ll all laugh about this silliness.
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It’s all about "me" in your faith , isnt it. .I am the sole arbiter of what Scripture says.I have greater insight than all those who went before us. I** don’t need any guidance from anybody because Scripture is simple. The Spirit writes a word on my heart. **I don’t have to explain anything I believe because I know I’m right. Which begs again the question as to why you are here?
 
COGHOBDOJ said:
You are so caught up in being right and defending your walk with Christ that you fail to celebrate with the host of Heaven because I now serve God and walk with and follow Christ.
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No, COGHOB (excuse the abbreviated address, I feel like we’re friends!), estesbob and I and others [including you I am sure] are NOT “so caught up in being right and defending [our] walk with Christ.”

What estesbob and I and [maybe some of the other posters] believe is that well-meaning albeit ignorant [of what exactly Catholics believe] people log on to these boards and push their personal interpretation of what Chrisitianity is. Of course, they can’t back it up SCRIPTURALLY like they demand of everyone else, but hey! as you say, you “now serve God” and we lowly ones can only find solace in the True Presence and the Mass as instituted by that rabblerouser from Galilee.

Good luck in the future and keep serving God

Robert
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Who has more wisdom in ecclisiatical matters?

A spiritual body of believers founded by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago?

Or an individual person that makes it to 100 years old?

I’d put my money on The Bride of Christ anyday.

But to whom God chooses to reveal more of Himself based on their own holiness is up to God.

So that pendulum swings both ways.
 
Rbt_Southwell said:
No, COGHOB (excuse the abbreviated address, I feel like we’re friends!), estesbob and I and others [including you I am sure] are NOT “so caught up in being right and defending [our] walk with Christ.”

What estesbob and I and [maybe some of the other posters] believe is that well-meaning albeit ignorant [of what exactly Catholics believe] people log on to these boards and push their personal interpretation of what Chrisitianity is. Of course, they can’t back it up SCRIPTURALLY like they demand of everyone else, but hey! as you say, you “now serve God” and we lowly ones can only find solace in the True Presence and the Mass as instituted by that rabblerouser from Galilee.

Good luck in the future and keep serving God

Robert
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👍 👍
 
2ndGen said:
Who has more wisdom in ecclisiatical matters?

A spiritual body of believers founded by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago?

Or an individual person that makes it to 100 years old?

I’d put my money on The Bride of Christ anyday.

**But to whom God chooses to reveal more of Himself based on their own holiness is up to God. **

So that pendulum swings both ways.
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And you base that on what?
 
2nd Gen:

Glad to see you’re back on the thread.

Could you please answer the question I asked you back in post #437?

Thank you.
 
Kay_Cee said:
Where is this in the Bible? I don’t recall any place where Jesus says this to John about other churches. Could you please give me the book, chapter, and verse for this?
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Thank you!

Luke 9:

49
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50
And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Here, there are obviously other “believers” in Christ who are not with Jesus’ immediate followers, yet He Himself doesn’t forbid them from working in His name.

So as long as a Christian group (sect, religion, denomination) is “not” against The Catholic Church, they are for us as Christians and we for them as Christians.

We can believe differently without having to be against each other. The only times a different belief would be a problem would be when one tries to impose said beliefs on others.

But if there is one group here and one group there and another group over yonder and their “not” working against us and are actively working “in” Christ, then how can we forbid them according “to” Jesus Himself?

Amen?
 
2ndGen said:
Thank you!

Luke 9:

49
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50
And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Here, there are obviously other “believers” in Christ who are not with Jesus’ immediate followers, yet He Himself doesn’t forbid them from working in His name.

So as long as a Christian group (sect, religion, denomination) is “not” against The Catholic Church, they are for us as Christians and we for them as Christians.

We can believe differently without having to be against each other. The only times a different belief would be a problem would be when one tries to impose said beliefs on others.

But if there is one group here and one group there and another group over yonder and their “not” working against us and are actively working “in” Christ, then how can we forbid them according “to” Jesus Himself?

Amen?
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This is the first time Ive ever heard this novel interpreation. So Jesus says"You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my chruch:" then he winks at hin but says-but its ok for people to run off and form all the Churches they want.

This is a perfect example of people taking random Scripture verses out of context and trying to make profound theological points based on their personal intepreattion of them.

Perhaps i am bring to harsh. Can you point us to any teaching of the Church that backs up your assertion?
 
estesbob said:
And you base that on what?
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The Reverand Billy Graham.

“Not” a Catholic Chrisitan.

But definately a Christian.

I believe with all my heart and The Pope’s love and acceptance of him as a brother in Christ tells me that God uses him to reach some and that God uses him to bring many souls “to” Himself.

His holiness is (to me personally) obvious. He lives a very moderate and pious life. His past is virtuously scandal free. And if the anti-Catholics hate him with a passion and the Pope loves him, then he must be doing something right.

And there are examples of Christians who are not Catholics who’ve shown me true Christianity and in whom I’ve seen Christ in.

The church one attends doesn’t determine one’s relationship to Christ, but that person’s relationship is determined “by” Jesus. We can only judge that person by his fruits. What does he produce? Charity? Compassion? Mercy? Consideration?

A person doesn’t have to be a Catholic to be “holy”.
 
2ndGen said:
So as long as a Christian group (sect, religion, denomination) is “not” against The Catholic Church, they are for us as Christians and we for them as Christians.
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I had the same feeling before but remember Christ desires us to be [one.

Mt 16:18-19](http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew16.htm) - upon this rock I will build my Church (singular)
Rom 16:17 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
Phil 2:2 - be of same mind, united in heart thinking one thing
 
Chellow said:
I had the same feeling before but remember Christ desires us to be [one.

Mt 16:18-19](http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew16.htm) - upon this rock I will build my Church (singular)
Rom 16:17 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
Phil 2:2 - be of same mind, united in heart thinking one thing
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I am in 100% accordance with you and I’ve used those same verses to defend Mother Church.

The discussion here however is what our behaviour should be towards non-Catholic Christians.

Question: If we are to “love” our enemies, how much more should we love our brethren?

I can disagree with their dogma, but still love them…especially those that “don’t” protest His Church and there are NCC’s who don’t protest The Church, but who just aren’t members of it.
 
2ndGen said:
I am in 100% accordance with you and I’ve used those same verses to defend Mother Church.

The discussion here however is what our behaviour should be towards non-Catholic Christians.

Question: If we are to “love” our enemies, how much more should we love our brethren?

I can disagree with their dogma, but still love them…especially those that “don’t” protest His Church and there are NCC’s who don’t protest The Church, but who just aren’t members of it.
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I believe (Luke 9: 49-50) is meant to be charitable to our separated brethrens. As I guess you are you indicating.👍
 
2ndGen said:
Thank you!

Luke 9:

49
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50
And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Here, there are obviously other “believers” in Christ who are not with Jesus’ immediate followers, yet He Himself doesn’t forbid them from working in His name.

So as long as a Christian group (sect, religion, denomination) is “not” against The Catholic Church, they are for us as Christians and we for them as Christians.

We can believe differently without having to be against each other. The only times a different belief would be a problem would be when one tries to impose said beliefs on others.

But if there is one group here and one group there and another group over yonder and their “not” working against us and are actively working “in” Christ, then how can we forbid them according “to” Jesus Himself?

Amen?
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Uh, no. I don’t see how on earth you get from this that it’s okay to have different churches teaching different “truths.”

First of all, the context is about casting out demons. I don’t see anything about other churches here. The word “church” is not mentioned at all. I think you’re reading it into the text.

Jesus said He wanted His followers to be one, as He and the Father are one. (John 17:21) Furthermore, in Matthew 16:18 He said He would build a church (singular), not churches (plural).

I would say “he followeth not with us” means this other fellow wasn’t physically present with the other disciples, not that he was a member of some other church.
 
Chellow said:
I believe (Luke 9: 49-50) is meant to be charitable to our separated brethrens. As I guess you are you indicating.👍
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Exactly. If Jesus didn’t forbid them and corrected John for forbidding them, then who are we who are way less than God’s chosen Apostles and ever farther less than Christ to forbid any Christian from working his own understanding with Christ?

Let those Catholic exclusionists remember, it’s Jesus’ Church, not theirs.

Pax.

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2ndGen said:
I am in 100% accordance with you and I’ve used those same verses to defend Mother Church.

The discussion here however is what our behaviour should be towards non-Catholic Christians.

who don’t protest The Church, but who just aren’t members of it.
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No its not-you claimed that Christ told us to found other Churchs. You backed that up by quoting billy Graham and giving us your personal interpreation of a few verses in Scripture. I, BTW, dont have an interpetion of these verses. I follow Church teachings-there is no need for me to parse scripture verses,
 
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