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michael777
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thank God you agree on something.
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vern_humphrey
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For a guy who dares not answer my question, “Do the Jews worship the same God we worship” he’s just full of authoritative pronouncements, ain’t he?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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jimmy
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I agree with God on everything.
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SPOKENWORD
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vern humphrey:
God Bless
Hi Vern, I though Jesus left the Holy Spirit to take care of the Masters business.
God Bless
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michael777
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We have no disagreement on that either.
but that wasnt about Peter alone was it?
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michael777
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vern humphrey:
if so i wont bother answering
Is this to make some kind of anti semite point?
if so i wont bother answering
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michael777
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Correct, Peter was not in charge of the kingdom of heaven, but he was in charge of the kingdom on earth
whos kingdom and what kingdom was that exactly?
. He could bind and loose, and no one could unbind what he had bound, or unloose what he had loosed.
what did he bind and loose exactly? and would anyone in seated in the heavenly realms disagree with him?
He had authority over all the world to teach.
to teach what exactly? remember it was his exclusive authority and so an exclusive teaching no?
Christ promised him that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church, and I trust him.
so do i
whos kingdom and what kingdom was that exactly?
. He could bind and loose, and no one could unbind what he had bound, or unloose what he had loosed.
what did he bind and loose exactly? and would anyone in seated in the heavenly realms disagree with him?
He had authority over all the world to teach.
to teach what exactly? remember it was his exclusive authority and so an exclusive teaching no?
Christ promised him that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church, and I trust him.
so do i
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michael777
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vern humphrey:
for you to digest while i eat
They are Holy and Beloved to this very second and forver on account of the Patriachs and are ordained to turn to the Messaih ( THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISREAL)
As for those of “other faiths”
They to can have salvation if they turn to christ.
And it better be soon because hes coming very soon . cant you tell?
ok i make this point on this only
for you to digest while i eat
They are Holy and Beloved to this very second and forver on account of the Patriachs and are ordained to turn to the Messaih ( THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISREAL)
As for those of “other faiths”
They to can have salvation if they turn to christ.
And it better be soon because hes coming very soon . cant you tell?
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vern_humphrey
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No, it’s to give you a chance to prove that you aren’t an anti-Catholic bigot. You said the Pope was a heretic and a false teacher because he accepts that Muslims worship the same God we worship.
So here’s your chance. Do Jews worship the same God we worship?
Remember, they don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah, and they don’t believe He rose again.
So, do they worship the same God or not?
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michael777
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vern humphrey:
see my post on your question.
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Tom
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Michael, I have a challenge for you. I understand you will not accept any reference except Scripture, so we’ll restrict this solely to Scripture. Since you have a computer and internet access, go to a bible reference site, please use a Non-Catholic site. www.bible.com is a good, actually anti-Catholic site. Do a Scripture search for each of the names of the original Apostles (leave Peter for last), you need to exclude Judas Iscariot, since Jesus obviously didn’t leave him in charge, and also leave out Paul, since Saul was prosecuting the Church in the early years. Write down the number of times each of the Apostles are referred to, Peter is mentioned more than all the rest combined. Now, cut and copy ALL of the references for Peter, and, read them, with an open heart. When you do this you will have absolutely no doubt that Jesus did indeed establish a Church on earth, that He did indeed place Peter in charge, that in the early Church Peter was indeed the leader of the Apostles, that Apostolic succession is correct, and finally that the ONLY Church which follows the succession of Peter’s role as leader, handed down for 2,000 years is the Catholic Church. After you’ve done this please read the wonderful books written about the succession of popes.
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Mickey
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This was already posted, but worth posting again. No explaination is needed:
John 21: 15-17
When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
John 21: 15-17
When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.
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vern_humphrey
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A ship went down in a typhoon in the Pacific, There were only six survivors, two Jews, two Catholics, and two Baptists. They managed to make it to a desert island, and were stranded there.It’s been about one hour since you posted this Vern, so I believe the number now stands at 33,005. Sorry to be so detail oriented, but there are new splits hourly.
Within a year, the Jews had built Temple Beth Israel.
The Catholics built the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception.
And the Baptists built the First Baptist Church, the Second Baptist Church, the Southern Baptist Church, the American Baptist Church, the Missionary Baptist Church . . . http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
(I was told this by a Baptist, bu the way.)
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michael777
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No, it’s to give you a chance to prove that you aren’t an anti-Catholic bigot. You said the Pope was a heretic and a false teacher because he accepts that Muslims worship the same God we worship.
he is
he is
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jimmy
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Yes, it was. In the Greek, which is the original language of the NT, they have different words for the singular and plural words. For example, the pronoun “you”, is “su” in the singular and “umeis” in the plural. They can not be confused. In the passage where Christ gives the keys to Peter, he uses the singular pronoun “su”.
The kingdom is Christ’s, but Christ gave authority to Peter to teach of the truth of Him and the Father and the Spirit.
To bind and to loose is to say that Peter had the authority to say, “this is truth, and this is not truth.” What he bound was already truth, nut he was given the ability to proclaim it with authority so that everyone knew it was truth.
What Peter taught could not be contradicted because it was the truth that was from heaven.
One example of what Peter bound was at the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, it was him who said that the gentiles did not need to be circumcised. Another is when he decided that they should choose a successor to Judas in Acts 1.
Not that what he taught was exclusive, but he had the authority to say this is what we teach and this is what we do not teach. They could all teach the truth, but it was up to Peter to make the difficult decisions.
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michael777
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I Agree totally no explanation is or was needed.
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vern_humphrey
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Give me a simple yes or no – don’t tap dance around.
The Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah. They don’t believe Jesus rose from the dead. They don’t accept the Trinity – Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
So, yes or no – do Jews believe in the same God we worship?
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jimmy
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It was Christ’s kingdom on earth, but Christ gave the authority to Peter.
No one in heaven would disagree with Peter because what Peter would bind or loose was from the truth of God. Peter was only proclaiming the truth from God.
He had the authority to proclaim the truth of Christ without it being questioned, especially in tough decisions.
I am very glad we agree.
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vern_humphrey
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As I have said before, when one resorts to name-calling in gentlemanly debate, one has lost the argument.
And you still haven’t given us a straight yes or no.
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