Why the focus on abortion?

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Nuclear weapons have killed nobody since 1945, apart from relatively few military personnel who were deployed under the fallout during early testing (a heinous occurrence, but somewhat separate as an issue.)

One could, in fact, argue that the presence of nuclear weapons has prevented a continuing cycle of world wars. I hold to that position.

Meanwhile, abortion kills tens of millions every year.

Add to that that no major nation will unilaterally give up nuclear weapons and no global authority exists to make everybody do it, and it’s easy to see why abortion is a more accessible and urgent issue.

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If I were to judge only by CAF (which I don’t do), I would say there is another topic that is obsessive for many, and that is homosexuality.
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That’s mainly just three accounts that post articles.
 
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And while having a rotten childhood is indeed lamentable, childhood does end and the once-child becomes a full-sized, living human being.

Infinitely better than being dead!

Frankly, to my mind, defending abortion because the child if born may face an unhappy childhood, is a pernicious position to hold.

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I don’t understand why this post was hidden. Dissenting opinions when stated gently should be considered a gift. The reasons expressed in them shine a light on where we still have work to do. Learn instead of trying to “hush them up”

I am sorry that you had the experience you did. I may disagree with your conclusions, but it is easy to understand desperate feelings and loneliness. I am thankful you didn’t have an abortion back then. Please pray for others in that position today.
 
I’m guessing it’s because she said the Catholic Church didn’t care about the unborn as much after they were born at the end.
 
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Not really. I’m asking a deeper question than that. It’s okay if you don’t get what I’m saying.
 
Except that doesn’t explain the pro-life causes in Canada, the UK, Nigeria and Kenya. Not everything is about American politics you know. Were Jim Crow laws being enforced in Lagos?

The thing is the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches were consistent on this issue irrespective of location for over a millenium. The churches in the American South have little influence outside of their region. But I suppose there could be a conspiracy of Confederate Christians that control the churches of the world that we never heard of.
 
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Also, there seems to be little effort at any attempt to understand the other side. Perhaps a symptom of the divisive culture today?

Even here, so many posters seem completely oblivious to why someone would advocate for abortion (“murder”). I mean, the internet is right here and it’s SO easy to look up why someone’s ethical system (ie murder is bad) would not apply to these abortion scenarios, often what they consider “future persons”. To answer your question, if someone considers it obviously murder and makes no attempt to try to understand or empathize with other views, then you get fanaticism, as you are seeing. And as a result a sort of minimizing any other tragedy, which would obviously pale in comparison to the millions of murders they see as obvious. And then the other side sees this as a tragedy of “neglecting babies after birth”. Anyway, it’s a lack if open honest attempts at understanding imo.
 
Not all of the Catholic Church is part of the “religious right” especially since it is international and is not tied to America.
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Anyway, it’s a lack if open honest attempts at understanding imo.
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People just don’t buy those sorts of arguments used in the opposing side. Anyways that’s not how morality works on other issues.
 
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ATraveller said:
The thing is the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches were consistent on this issue irrespective of location for over a millenium.
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From what I understand this is far from the truth. I believe only recently did the Church consider abortion a taking of a life (homocide) rather than a sexual sin (as it was considered by Aquinas etc). Happy to learn more if you have links but the focus on abortion (especially as a political issue), is only a very recent (decades?) Church focus.
 
WillPhillips said:
From what I understand this is far from the truth. I believe only recently did the Church consider abortion a taking of a life (homocide) rather than a sexual sin (as it was considered by Aquinas etc). Happy to learn more if you have links but the focus on abortion (especially as a political issue), is only a very recent (decades?) Church focus.
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“Thou shalt do no murder; thou shalt not commit adultery”; thou shalt not commit sodomy; thou shalt not commit fornication; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not use magic; thou shalt not use philtres; thou shalt not procure abortion, nor commit infanticide;
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http://www.thedidache.com/

So why has it been a top topic recently? Because in recent times, abortion on demand has become widespread and facilitated by the state.
 
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Not all of the Catholic Church is part of the “religious right” especially since it is international and is not tied to America
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Of course not, but just pointing out the relatively recent focus of abortion as a political motivator.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
Not all of the Catholic Church is part of the “religious right” especially since it is international and is not tied to America.
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A pro-segregation Nigeria woman (😉) speaking in England at a pro-life organisation founded in 1967, the same year the Abortion Act was introduced. I guess the Confederates were there too trying to fight Westminster.


Also, if people hate black people, why would they want more black people? It makes no sense.
 
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WillPhillips said:
From what I understand this is far from the truth. I believe only recently did the Church consider abortion a taking of a life (homocide) rather than a sexual sin (as it was considered by Aquinas etc). Happy to learn more if you have links but the focus on abortion (especially as a political issue), is only a very recent (decades?) Church focus
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https://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/FathersAbortion.php

My favorite quote from the link:

From St. Basil the Great:
“The woman who purposely destroys her unborn child is guilty of murder. The hair-splitting difference between formed and unformed makes no difference to us.”
 
Probably because other forms of killing aren’t legal, there are already laws, programs, and other efforts in place to prevent them (even if they are not always effective), and there isn’t an oppositional side claiming that those deaths are actually a good thing.
 
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So why has it been a top topic recently? Because in recent times, abortion on demand has become widespread and facilitated by the state.
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Again, this is simply not true. In the US, prior to Roe, this was not a hot topic moral issue and abortions were practiced under common law (with little organized political objection by Catholics).
 
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WillPhillips said:
Again, this is simply not true. In the US, prior to Roe, this was not a hot topic moral issue and abortions were practiced under common law (with little objection by Catholics).
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I’ll let my American friends answer that. But in the UK, it was a reaction to the Abortion Act, which was introduced in 1967. In Canada, the reaction was to the Supreme Court decision in the 1980’s. A bill was supposed to respond to it but it died in the Senate when Parliament was dissolved.
 
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