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Lochias
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One man’s trash.I’m not belittling your opinion, just pointing out that that’s what it is. Can you sing? If so, have you thought about volunteering for the choir yourself? Are you in the choir already?
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One man’s trash.I’m not belittling your opinion, just pointing out that that’s what it is. Can you sing? If so, have you thought about volunteering for the choir yourself? Are you in the choir already?
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Ridgerunner
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Can sing. Not in the choir, though I have sometimes helped out the music director making her solos into duets when nobody else would sing some unfortunate song.
I’m not belittling your opinion, just pointing out that that’s what it is. Can you sing? If so, have you thought about volunteering for the choir yourself? Are you in the choir already?
Sometimes my thoughts are listened to. Sometimes not.
I think maybe my favorite suggestion was Lulajze Jesuniu which she and another lady sang at Christmas in Polish. It was a very Americanized but largely ethnic Polish parish with a priest from Poland. As they sang it, you could hear excited whispers “It’s Polish. It’s Polish” here and there. The pastor thanked them for it after Mass.
Here it is. I think you’ll like it. youtube.com/watch?v=nUCPTj39X-U&feature=related
The melody is so logical that bits of it have been borrowed for various songs, including one of the ones I don’t particularly like. They didn’t steal it well, and destroyed the logic and flow.
Here are the lyrics and translation. It’s an ancient, ancient carol that (yes) has so stood the test of time that Chopin inserted the main theme into one of his concertos. It was very old even then. lyricstranslate.com/en/lulajze-jezuniu-hush-little-jesus.html
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Ridgerunner
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I have long suspected that a big part of the melody of “Santa Lucia” was borrowed from Lulajze Jezuniu. Listen for a minute. After all, Sweden and Poland are not at all far apart, and Lulajze Jezuniu is, by all accounts, the older song. Some think the Swedes borrowed the Italian song of the same name, but I think it was the other way around.
youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0FyZqNp5Q
Just as an aside, it was the tradition in our house that on St. Lucia’s feast day, the eldest daughter would get up before everyone else, bake the special pastry prepared the night before, and wake everyone dressed in the traditional clothing, serving the buns. As each daughter went on to college or whateer, the next one would take over.
My girls are all now grown, with families of their own, but the ones with girls big enough to do it, also follow the tradition.
Kind of neat. Of course, they sing it in Italian because we don’t know the Swedish words.
youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0FyZqNp5Q
Just as an aside, it was the tradition in our house that on St. Lucia’s feast day, the eldest daughter would get up before everyone else, bake the special pastry prepared the night before, and wake everyone dressed in the traditional clothing, serving the buns. As each daughter went on to college or whateer, the next one would take over.
My girls are all now grown, with families of their own, but the ones with girls big enough to do it, also follow the tradition.
Kind of neat. Of course, they sing it in Italian because we don’t know the Swedish words.
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grasscutter
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That sounds like a lovely tradition that you and your family keep! Maybe others will now be inspired to do likewise.
Did you know, when I was a child, the hymn (above all others) that inspired and brought me close to God was
They Will Know We Are Christians By Our Love. It may too modern for some but it helped me. Its a song Ill still sing silently to myself when I (during daily life) want to draw closer to our Lord.Peace be with you and your family!
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Lochias
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Very beautiful, thank you for sharing.
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Lochias
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Ha, I sing that one to myself as well, here and there. It does indeed help.
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grasscutter
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Especially the verse that begins with “we will work with each other” helps me to behave appropriately with my co-workers! Because (and I’m sure I’m the only one
) sometimes I need God to help me with that!
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pnewton
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I use that as a closing hymn two or three times a year. I know that many here don’t care for it, but those at my parish do, and that is plenty of people for me to worry about pleasing. While I am very open to criticism (within my parish) I think my willingness to step down the second someone else wants to step up deters some criticism. On the other hand, maybe I just hit enough variety to make most people satisfied.
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JRRTFAN
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Well, if a dog fight starts, I’m in your corner. For some reason, and I do not know what it is, we Catholics seem to think we’re making the Mass more “relevant” by using ditty type music rather than the treasury of sacred hymns we have amassed over 2 millenia. So many of the ditties are in the first person “I” being used only slightly less commonly than “we” as an identifier of who we are there to worship.
There is nothing more disconcerting to me than walking into dawn Mass on Easter and seeing the “contemporary ensemble” tuning up to use Morning has Broken as the processional hymn. The “Contemporary Ensemble” was Contemporary when Arlo Guthrie was coming of age. They are all, like me, grey and no longer Contemporary. My 32 year old Protestant son heard them and said to me: “No offense, Dad, but the music is really lame.” I agreed. I guess it’s a sign of the times, the times being 1968, and we never grew out of it.
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englishredrose
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actually I quite like it. Its not a favourite but its not unwanted by me either. Its cheerful but with practical messages for us all. I am happy because at one of the weddings next week, we are singing ‘one more step along the road I go’ and yeh thats cheerful too but like it mainly because about 2 year ago we had it on the Sunday and the day before we had been walking along a definate precarious (spelling) path and oops I definately had at least one point I wasn’t going any further but to have gone back be as hard
But a nice song for all that. Or is it a hymn whatever the differences are… But we all have hymns and songs we use daily at times don’t we and call upon them in prayer even secular songs have quite deep messages we can use when we stop and think about the words that bit more.
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system
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I was raised in the pre V2 church and was deeply attached to the Traditional Latin Mass. Following the council I witnessed countless zany liturgical innovations, guitar masses, folk masses, etc.
I can’t say now if the guitars, bongos, clowns, puppets, liturgical “dancers,” and such still take place. I only attend the old mass. I have seen more liturgical abuses than I could have ever imagined and have departed the V2 church with feelings of profound disgust.
I firmly believe the council is largely responsible for a severe lessening of the sense of the sacred in the new liturgy. In all fairness, it’s not so much the council but how it has been interpreted. I believe it lacks reverence and dignity. I regard it as more of a mess than a mass. I am not looking to offend those who benefit from the changes but my sensitivities have been repeatedly offended for fifty years now and I am speaking out. For years those of us who preferred the traditional ways were made to feel like pariahs.
I can’t say now if the guitars, bongos, clowns, puppets, liturgical “dancers,” and such still take place. I only attend the old mass. I have seen more liturgical abuses than I could have ever imagined and have departed the V2 church with feelings of profound disgust.
I firmly believe the council is largely responsible for a severe lessening of the sense of the sacred in the new liturgy. In all fairness, it’s not so much the council but how it has been interpreted. I believe it lacks reverence and dignity. I regard it as more of a mess than a mass. I am not looking to offend those who benefit from the changes but my sensitivities have been repeatedly offended for fifty years now and I am speaking out. For years those of us who preferred the traditional ways were made to feel like pariahs.
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system
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I shall no doubt be suspended from the group but recognize that as just another sign of the times. It appears the modernists can not and will not tolerate differing points of view.
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CB_Catholic
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This thread is 3 years old.
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mlz
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Not preferred however in some parishes the only available music leaders unfortuanately are able to lead with guitar as there are fewer keyboard players (organ/piano) Sadly this is true. Our dear guitar music leaders try to do the best they can. I know our only organ/pianist at our parish also fills in at the Lutheran church for their services as well since they too have no one else available. It isn’t a Catholic problem alone. But I must assure you that it is the spirit of the gift of music offered that is more important than the instrument regardless. We are grateful to all our musicians who freely offer there talents.
Blessings,
mlz
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