Why the surveillance memo matters

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The FBI, at least the higher echelon, is not the victim here. The American people have been the victim and the truth needs to come out!
How so? The FBI, from multiple sources, learned that Trump had a Russian agent on his team, which was having meetings with other Russian agents to assist in the campaign. What would you have the FBI do on behalf of the American people in this case?
Watch the videos posted by Caldera.
 
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In 20,000 e-mails released by Wikileaks…

Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her staff contemplate ways to smear Sanders’ position on Israel/Palestine affairs with her communications team in one exchange, with Wasserman Schultz saying “The Israel stuff is disturbing” in reference to Sanders’ platform committee appointees attempting to include language denouncing the occupation of Palestinian territory in the party platform.

Article 5, Section 4 of the charter and bylaws of the Democratic Party requires the DNC chair to remain impartial during the primary process, a rule that Schultz seems to have violated in these emails:
 
the Democratic Party requires the DNC chair to remain impartial during the primary process
Finding a candidate’s position disturbing is hardly evidence pf partiality, nor is it evidence of “cheating”.
 
The videos reiterate the facts, but so many want to ignore those!
 
You just amaze me by keeping your head in the sand… you must be a lawyer by the way you manipulate words and meanings… Yes???
 
Low on facts, high on polemical opinion.
Although not flawless, there was much more content and cogent analysis in the Gowdy interview.
 
You just amaze me by keeping your head in the sand…
I stay abreast of the facts, and open to cogent analysis, in contrast to so many who never seem to go beyond the meme fed to them by their chosen media.
 
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So @dvdjs
you must be a lawyer by the way you manipulate words and meanings… Yes??? Just curious…
 
I believe in the rule of law. Anyone who does should be gravely concerned about what the FBI did.
I think Dems should be every bit as concerned about this as Repubs. So, okay, Dems hate Trump, and distrust him. What would they think if Trump supporters in the FBI and DOJ someday did this to their presidential candidate?

This is not really a partisan thing. It’s the increasing visibility of something gone wrong in our system that was somehow allowed by “war on terror” measures.
 
This is not really a partisan thing. It’s the increasing visibility of something gone wrong in our system that was somehow allowed by “war on terror” measures.
I’d say it wasn’t by accident that this happened. This was the purpose of the PATRIOT Act et al. I’d say it is the purpose of the CIA, NSA and even FBI. Regardless of its purpose secret government will always be abusive. The argument against it isn’t that a particular group of people can’t be trusted but that such a system can’t be trusted no matter who the people running it are.
 
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You just amaze me by keeping your head in the sand…
I am far more abreast of the facts, and open to cogent analysis, than the many who never seem to go beyond the meme fed to them by their chosen media.
Only the facts that support your reality interest you.
 
It was not void of facts, it was not low on facts either. When you can’t when an argument you nitpick on one or two words.
The bottom line is the first interview had more than enough facts to make the case
for those courageous enough to face the truth.
 
I am far more abreast of the facts, and open to cogent analysis, than the many who never seem to go beyond the meme fed to them by their chosen media.
Some deference must be given to those who have command of a great number of facts and can state them well. However, that’s not necessarily persuasive, nor should it necessarily be. I have, in my time, seen enormously comprehensive and persuasive financials, for example, issued by companies that were insolvent despite their “proof” otherwise.
 
What would they think if Trump supporters in the FBI and DOJ someday did this to their presidential candidate?
This is the part i don’t get… for a group of people who are constantly saying we have Hitler/Stalin in the White House, they sure don’t seem too worried about having the kind of abuse of power we are talking about here at the fingertips of someone they believe is so incredibly bad. This should concern everyone.
 
This is the part i don’t get… for a group of people who are constantly saying we have Hitler/Stalin in the White House, they sure don’t seem too worried about having the kind of abuse of power we are talking about here at the fingertips of someone they believe is so incredibly bad. This should concern everyone.
Deep down, I think many see the ‘Trump movement’ as transient,
they aren’t reflective about systemic abuse,
they just use the Nazi argument when it is convenient for the argument.
 
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The bottom line is the first interview had more than enough facts to make the case
No. It selected facts to support a partisan view and omitted others contradictory to that view. Read Gowdy for a far less biased perspective.
 
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Ridgerunner:
What would they think if Trump supporters in the FBI and DOJ someday did this to their presidential candidate?
This is the part i don’t get… for a group of people who are constantly saying we have Hitler/Stalin in the White House, they sure don’t seem too worried about having the kind of abuse of power we are talking about here at the fingertips of someone they believe is so incredibly bad. This should concern everyone.
Exactly! They love to make movies about Watergate and the Pentagon Papers, but because now the democrat party is guilty of gross corruption, they prefer to deny, deny, deny and look the other way.
 
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